US Election 2016

GreenBean · #**309** 05-02-2016

The total irony of 1st World problems

Looking at betting to make money on what might be a catastropic result.

Let us hope we do not welcome Armageddon.

rsot · #**310** 05-02-2016

Worse than with Bush?

GreenBean · #**311** 05-02-2016

15 pages and still waiting for a sensible post, rsot.

rsot · #**312** 05-02-2016

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15 pages and still waiting for a sensible post, rsot.

Sometimes it is better not to post sensibly...

yankee · #**313** 05-02-2016

I personally love Trumps stand on most issues. Fiscally conservative, moderately social and libertarianish/democrat stance of foreign policy.

Take care of home first and foremost and sensible yet much smaller foreign affairs.

I see the exact opposite of Armageddon.

rsot · #**314** 05-02-2016

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-r...-policy-speech

yankee · #**315** 05-02-2016

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https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-r...-policy-speech

Exactly....

JamesNorth101 · #**316** 05-02-2016

Really good speech. It makes a lot of really good points.

Not sure many would agree that the US saved the world for the Nazis though tbh but that is a whole other debate!

**ilcarletto** · #**317** 05-02-2016

Saved the world from nazis...? LOL

...why he is not talking about Vietnam and other stuff...?.

yankee · #**318** 05-02-2016

You would have to rewrite USA history books if the rest of the world does not feel USA swooped in and was the primary force to change the course of Nazi Germany.

I always find it interesting how the rest of the world views many things very differently than what we teach in the USA and assumed as facts as we are taught these things our entire public education.

JamesNorth101 · #**319** 05-02-2016

The USA was more dragged into the conflict than entered of its own choice. Up until they were dragged into the war Joseph Kennedy was still trying to arrange a meeting with Hilter to get a non aggression pact signed.

The US did help the UK with a lot of supplies though and did help British ships back and forth across the Atlantic (although we did have to pay for all the supplies up front with lots and lots of gold and forced sale of US assets). The US helped by comminicating the location of German ships on unsecure networds to one another, letting the UK ships intercep these comminications. It was not chairty that the US was providing, but there is no taking away from the fact that those supplies helped a lot. Bare in mine that at the time of WWII the UK had the worlds largest Navy still which the Germans never really got close to, it was only the U Boats that were a threat. At the time of WWII we also still had a large empire (and countries formly part of the empire loyal to the crown) that were 100% bahind Britain. This included Canada, Australia, India, New Zeland ect ect

By the time the US had entered the war the RAF had already defeated the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain. That was the turning of the tide against the Nazis in their invasion of Britian. The Eagle Squadron did help in that, but that was done against the wishes of the US goverment at the time. Soon after the Battle of Britain was won we started to bomb Germany A LOT

One of the most important turning points in WWII from the UK prespective was the Woman at Work scheme. During this scheme the UK output rocketed. We still did have a massive import of food though. Munition imports was only ever around 20% at its high point, it was only ever food that we really struggled with

One of the biggest mistakes Hitler made was to break his 10 year treaty with the Soviet Union. This lead to the war being fought on on 2 fronts which made it a lot harder. In 1941/1942 around 1/3 of all the tanks used by the USSR were supplied by the British, it was only in 1943/4 that the US started to supply them with enough tanks of note.

By the time D-Day came across the 5 beaches most the equiment used was British. 2 of the 5 beaches were British forces, 2 US forces and 1 Canadian. D-Day helped to push the Germans out of France and back into Germany, but it was the USSR that really defeated the German military in Germany. They were responsible for around 75/80% of all German military personal deaths.

The war was no doubt cut shoter by US involvement, and a lot of British lives were saves thanks to US supplies, but the US did not come riding in to defeat the Germans. History tells us that really it was the USSR that did.

GhostOfAmazon · #**320** 05-02-2016

There is no doubt that in WWII, ALL of us played a major role.

I don't think the outcome would have been the same had ANY of the major Allies players sat out.

Let's just thank our ancestors that the right choices were made during that troubling time.

GreenBean · #**321** 05-02-2016

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Originally Posted by yankee

I personally love Trumps stand on most issues. Fiscally conservative, moderately social and libertarianish/democrat stance of foreign policy.

Take care of home first and foremost and sensible yet much smaller foreign affairs.

I see the exact opposite of Armageddon.

Chamberlain came back from Munich in the mid 1930's with the saying "Peace in our time" as regards Nazi issues.

In 2016, the voters in the US must ensure the candidate elected to the Presidency is not going to betray the mandate given out.

I agree with your hopes, yankee.

GhostOfAmazon · #**322** 05-03-2016

For those wondering why "BUILD A WALL!" is a popular sentiment....

BREAKING: Donald Trump Just Got Proven Right in a Huge Way, And the Media Is NOT Talking About It

JamesNorth101 · #**323** 05-03-2016

Seems a bit like cherry picking to me

As an overall % of deaths in the US, what % is by illegal immigrants?

I in no way defend illegal migration, in fact I really dislike it, but when media outlets cherry pick a case to make their point is pretty irritating.

yankee · #**324** 05-03-2016

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Seems a bit like cherry picking to me

As an overall % of deaths in the US, what % is by illegal immigrants?

I in no way defend illegal migration, in fact I really dislike it, but when media outlets cherry pick a case to make their point is pretty irritating.

Amazingly high percentage of border states of Arizona, Texas, New Mexico. Then look at border towns being vacated in those states. It is staggering percentage.

But it is more about the 11+ million people getting free health care while we have Veterans literally on deathbeds waiting for care and people like myself pay the first several thousand dollars annually if medical care is needed.

The add in jobs being lost, USD being sent out of the country to "Home" and uninsured auto collisions driving up insurance rates.

Those are just a few of the many very measurable burdens illegal immigration has on the USA.

MM78 · #**325** 05-03-2016

Here's some light reading for all, enjoy!

Ten Myths About Immigration | Teaching Tolerance - Diversity, Equity and Justice

Why is it that Illegal Aliens Get Free Food Stamps, Health Insurance and Pay No Taxes?

5 Outlandish Claims About Immigrants And Health Care

https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...rs-not-takers/

JamesNorth101 · #**326** 05-03-2016

That is pretty interesting to know Yankee thanks. I did not know it was such a high % and high problem in certain areas.

The US healthcare system is an interesting one. In the UK we have the NHS and it is a MASSIVE burden on tax payers, but at the same time its something held very dear by the nation. Even the most conservative politicians in the UK would never even think about removing it, at least not out loud (although parts of it are being privatised at the moment)/. 9 out of 10 people in the street also really do like the NHS a lot. In the US it seems like the idea of a free universal healthcare system is not really liked as a concept? I understand why since its kind of like socialism

I do myself have private healthcare and don't really use the NHS a lot, but I do like to know that it is there if I need it, or if family and friends who do not have private healthcare need it.

Universal healthcare and gun control for me always stand out at the 2 major cultural differences between most of the EU and the US.

EDIT - Thanks MM78. I did not see your post until after I posted mine! I will have to have a read of all of those links

yankee · #**327** 05-03-2016

You can find thousands of articles and "facts" saying illegal immigration is awesome and the same for it not being so awesome.

I like to think of it with logic and unbiased with black and white facts. Add in the very simple fact that they are ILLEGAL and you pretty much have all logic one needs to make an educated decision.

PS: I married an illegal immigrant. Some of my business partners are illegal immigrants. I have worked in Canada illegally back in 2006-2008 and I have several hundred friends that are illegal immigrants.

in 2010 I had a dear friend deported(and he lives in the same neighbourhood now)

I still stand for the fact that they have a viable and legal option but do not take the steps to become legal residents.

GhostOfAmazon · #**328** 05-03-2016

James---just because we don't have socialized heathcare doesn't mean people are dying in the streets.

When I was 18 I had no medical insurance, and I had a motorcycle wreck. I had several broken bones and a depressed skull fracture. My medical bills were in the 6 figures. I got all the treatment I needed, and they billed me for it later. Of course I never paid (I was working at a fast food restaurant and still in high school at the time). It ruined my credit for 7 years, but I got the medical treatment and I never had to pay. It's not something I'm proud of, but there was no possible way for me to pay that bill.

It's important to remember that. Now, who paid for my treatment? Well, technically, everyone else who went to that hospital and DID pay. So you could argue that my medical care was paid for by others, and therefore "socialized", but there's an important distinction to make.

GreenBean · #**329** 05-03-2016

GoA

Why should you need to feel bad about being young and not financial though?

As we know, there are generations of welfare families in USA, UK & OZ.

I take umbrage at Veterans being denied care after service for their country. The real victims need protection.

GhostOfAmazon · #**330** 05-03-2016

I'm just saying it isn't something I would make a habit of.

I've been to the Dr many times since that incident, and paid every penny every time out of pocket.

But, being self-insured, I don't go every time I get the sniffles. THAT is the issue with socialized healthcare, and why when "everyone" gets healthcare, NO ONE does. (At least not quality healthcare).