Have you ever purchased from a competitor?

[two3aight1]

I always try to help out this community in any way i can. I offer advise when i can and try to stay positive. Dont take this so personal james. If you and i are selling in the same niche then were fighting for the same dollar.
At what point am i obligated to make things easy for you to make money that should be going in my pockets? Especially when your doing the same thing to me by lowering your prices? Your trying to kill me just by doing that so what am i to do?

Lower my prices and wait for you to do the same? Or just remove you and keep my prices high? Its just business. You keep using words that imply im sitting here with an evil grin or something..im not trying to hurt you. Im not even thinking about you. Im trying to sell my products. Thats it.

[solefoodbk]

Read 48 laws of power.

In business the simple fact is what you are not willing to do someone will ALWAYS be willing to. You decide what end you want to be on. It's a moral thing a lot of times...

You either destroy your competition or wait for them to do it to you. That sounds harsh but on eBAy when it comes to niches, only one usually prevails and the other suffers suspension, or no sales.

[solefoodbk]

Originally Posted by two3aight1

I always try to help out this community in any way i can. I offer advise when i can and try to stay positive. Dont take this so personal james. If you and i are selling in the same niche then were fighting for the same dollar.
At what point am i obligated to make things easy for you to make money that should be going in my pockets? Especially when your doing the same thing to me by lowering your prices? Your trying to kill me just by doing that so what am i to do?

Lower my prices and wait for you to do the same? Or just remove you and keep my prices high? Its just business. You keep using words that imply im sitting here with an evil grin or something..im not trying to hurt you. Im not even thinking about you. Im trying to sell my products. Thats it.

Exactly! It's business not personal. Only people who own a business can understand the truth and meaning behind it.

Also to second on what you said when it comes to people cutting their price. By doing that you clearly have the intention to take what sales that they get/got and get it yourself. Or you wouldnt cut prices lower than theirs in the first place. If I see someone do this WHY wouldn't I take action to prevent them from doing this and getting away with it??

They know what they're doing. Why can't I play along? It sounds bad but it really comes down to looking at the reality of each situation opposed to doing what's "right". If you think someone isn't going to step on you if they have the chance to obtain what you have when it comes to business your crazy. There is always someone willing to.

[james13v]

Originally Posted by solefoodbk

Exactly! It's business not personal. Only people who own a business can understand the truth and meaning behind it.

Also to second on what you said when it comes to people cutting their price. By doing that you clearly have the intention to take what sales that they get/got and get it yourself. Or you wouldnt cut prices lower than theirs in the first place. If I see someone do this WHY wouldn't I take action to prevent them from doing this and getting away with it??

They know what they're doing. Why can't I play along? It sounds bad but it really comes down to looking at the reality of each situation opposed to doing what's "right". If you think someone isn't going to step on you if they have the chance to obtain what you have when it comes to business your crazy. There is always someone willing to.

You talk about understanding business, yet are completely wrong about how business works, in the second paragraph.

A business owner sets their prices based on a few main things, not all of which need to be accounted for.
Overhead and cost of product
What competition has their price at.
Without competition, then it's at what the market will bare.

So, why wouldn't a seller cut their prices lower then someone elses in the first place? The price they had, was what they WANTED. When a competitor came in, the price changes to what the seller is able to afford to sell. The original price has nothing to do with the new competitor. The price evolved to include a new factor. If I lower my prices more than yours, then yeah I want to take your sales. So because you got a ****ty deal on your products, and can no longer compete with me, you're just gonna screw me over in another way? Get better deals, and or lower your overhead.

Jesus, maybe all my friends are right about what they view as capitalism. Just a bunch of people out to get everyone. I'll compete as hard as I can, with the tools that I have. I'll lower my prices below everyone. I'll call out every single seller to ebay, that is lying to customers or stealing my pictures.

Will I start buying things from competitors and negging them? No, that makes you an asshole who clearly can't compete in the market under his own footing, and should probably find another business.

Well, everyone else is screwing people over, why can't I!!! I swear, I've had this conversation with m 6 year old niece before. " well that boy stole a cookie, why can't i!!??"

Give a man power, and we'll see what their character is like, right?

[two3aight1]

Originally Posted by james13v

Will I start buying things from competitors and negging them? No, that makes you an asshole who clearly can't compete in the market under his own footing, and should probably find another business.

your missing the point james. Im not on ebay to "compete" with anyone. Im on ebay to sell my products. If james happens to be messing that up for me, then james has to go!

If im heavily invested in a product, its GOING to get sold. Not at a loss either.
James is just going to get the hell out of my way thats all. james i think you need to find a new business because im making a killing eating guys like you for lunch. If YOU cant compete with how im running my show then YOU are in the wrong business. No hard feelings dude. Ill even buy your inventory even if it makes you feel a lil better lol

[oompaloompa]

I agree, it is like people who cut in on traffic lines, thinking their journey is more important.....do you join them and cut in too, so as not to be a chump, or do you film them and post their details on youtube.......hehe

I always think queue-jumpers lead to lack of civilization and chaos.....

[solefoodbk]

Its called survival of the fittest FYI.

I'm not even in a market that I need to do this, I'm just aware of the fact if I need to I will.

Like I said before, not trying to sound rude but your opinion to the next man/women truly probably could careless about.

Just saying...

I'm sure if you were in a market that you invested time and money in and made a LIVING off of you'd change your mind pretty fast. Its easy to say "i'm going to do the right thing etc etc" but when your backed into a corner and someone else is cutting your profit and or your actually loosing money ....you have to do something to fix it. If you don't well then you really shouldn't be in business in the first place. Its not for everyone. Few succeed, this is one of the main reasons.

[solefoodbk]

Originally Posted by two3aight1

your missing the point james. Im not on ebay to "compete" with anyone. Im on ebay to sell my products. If james happens to be messing that up for me, then james has to go!

If im heavily invested in a product, its GOING to get sold. Not at a loss either.
James is just going to get the hell out of my way thats all. james i think you need to find a new business because im making a killing eating guys like you for lunch. If YOU cant compete with how im running my show then YOU are in the wrong business. No hard feelings dude. Ill even buy your inventory even if it makes you feel a lil better lol

Totally agree with you!

[notsosureaboutit]

Interesting topic and interesting views. I guess all of you are right somehow.

I am lucky, in my niche people play fair so far. We all nearly sell the same product, but each of us does market the product differently. As long as I am boss for the product I sell, I play fair too, however if a competitor would come in, playing nasty I would get him out too.

[rsot]

Originally Posted by two3aight1

Forgive me for not playing nice.

Pfft nice doesn't pay rent or make profit

[jrandleww]

Originally Posted by oompaloompa

I agree, it is like people who cut in on traffic lines, thinking their journey is more important.....do you join them and cut in too, so as not to be a chump, or do you film them and post their details on youtube.......hehe

I always think queue-jumpers lead to lack of civilization and chaos.....

Wow i was thinking of the same analogy when I read this. On the streets these are also the "businessmen" that turn to violence as a means of eliminating competition. A line has to be drawn somewhere and lying against your competition to get them shut down is over the line and probably illegal.

Everyone on this forum is a potential competitor so why wouldn't we all be giving each other false information to hurt potential competitors? Why wouldn't we seek to shut this forum down all together to prevent it from helping potential competitors?

[revenge]

I did it this week for research.

[isitworththestress]

On hearing some of the comments on here I have a strong urge to offer my services to ebay and kill off all second accounts and we all know enough to know it is possible.

I have been on the recieveing end of this crap so many times and have so many accounts in cooling off stages of their life due to these attacks that it just pisses me off.

Sorry but to me if you do not have the ability to do business without this crap then you should find another line of work, as you're just making the whole market place a bleake place to be and giving ebay more fual to feed their attacks on the rest of us, so personally if one of those sellers works out who you are and you find your thousands of pounds of stock burning along with your house then let us know on here so I can give them a clap.

[james13v]

Originally Posted by two3aight1

your missing the point james. Im not on ebay to "compete" with anyone. Im on ebay to sell my products. If james happens to be messing that up for me, then james has to go!

If im heavily invested in a product, its GOING to get sold. Not at a loss either.
James is just going to get the hell out of my way thats all. james i think you need to find a new business because im making a killing eating guys like you for lunch. If YOU cant compete with how im running my show then YOU are in the wrong business. No hard feelings dude. Ill even buy your inventory even if it makes you feel a lil better lol

lol I'm never seen my name written so many times....

Do you have any idea how much competition I have?

I mean, some of the things you are saying, astound me. I have to compete with every single underhanded dirty trick you can think of pulling, short of what? If you kill my dog, should I kill yours? I mean, I have to compete with how you're running YOUR show RIGHT? That's an absurd way of thinking, and the reason that so many business people are hated, if not feared. They are looked at as the vermin of this world. A means to an end, that most people wish they didn't have to deal with. People like YOU.

In the real world, businesses that work together, last longer. You have two businesses gunning out for one another, spending money, stressing, attacking, taking hits. Back and forth, until what? Is this the ****ing hunger games? Only one can survive?

You seem to think I'm a pushover or something.

I'll have to state it louder I guess. I'm in it to win it! I'll compete. I'll lower prices. I'll lower overhead. I'll find better sources of inventory. I do not care if my competitor can't afford to do so, and goes out of business. That's the NATURAL course of a free market.

With what you suggest, we might as well not give a damn what we do. Just **** over everyone in sight. What's it matter to you? If they can't compete, they are in the wrong business.

[james13v]

Originally Posted by isitworththestress

On hearing some of the comments on here I have a strong urge to offer my services to ebay and kill off all second accounts and we all know enough to know it is possible.

I have been on the recieveing end of this crap so many times and have so many accounts in cooling off stages of their life due to these attacks that it just pisses me off.

Sorry but to me if you do not have the ability to do business without this crap then you should find another line of work, as you're just making the whole market place a bleake place to be and giving ebay more fual to feed their attacks on the rest of us, so personally if one of those sellers works out who you are and you find your thousands of pounds of stock burning along with your house then let us know on here so I can give them a clap.

jeez, and there I thought i was the only decent human business man left out there.

[james13v]

Originally Posted by solefoodbk

Its called survival of the fittest FYI.

I'm not even in a market that I need to do this, I'm just aware of the fact if I need to I will.

Like I said before, not trying to sound rude but your opinion to the next man/women truly probably could careless about.

Just saying...

I'm sure if you were in a market that you invested time and money in and made a LIVING off of you'd change your mind pretty fast. Its easy to say "i'm going to do the right thing etc etc" but when your backed into a corner and someone else is cutting your profit and or your actually loosing money ....you have to do something to fix it. If you don't well then you really shouldn't be in business in the first place. Its not for everyone. Few succeed, this is one of the main reasons.

Yeah, survival of the fittest. Why are you out killing the competition? Literally? That's what the fittest did to survive.

You're right, the next man/women truly COULD careless about my opinion. I"m glad we at least agree there.

A majority of human beings, DO agree with my opinion. |
|I am in a market that I've invested time and money in. I have plenty of competitors. Some have drastically undercut me. Sucks for me. What should I do? Create an account, buy from them, and leave negative feedback? Report them to ebay? How do I compete exactly?

I won't lower my price below my cost. That's dumb. If you are at that point, you might as well leave that business.

It's easy to say I'm going to do the right thing. Sure. And while I say that, I will try my absolute hardest to not be an asshole, and a bane on this earth. You guys seem to have relegated yourself to a philosophy of " eh, **** it, get them before they get you!"

I was wrong about my previous analogy of my niece wanting to steel a cookie because she saw someone else doing it. It's more of, she wants to steel the cookie, because she's a thief and a liar. And you know what they say about thieves and liars. They think everyone else are also thieves and liars, so they are gonna lie and steal before anyone else gets a chance to. Survival of the fittest!

[isitworththestress]

Originally Posted by james13v

Yeah, survival of the fittest. Why are you out killing the competition? Literally? That's what the fittest did to survive.

You're right, the next man/women truly COULD careless about my opinion. I"m glad we at least agree there.

A majority of human beings, DO agree with my opinion. |
|I am in a market that I've invested time and money in. I have plenty of competitors. Some have drastically undercut me. Sucks for me. What should I do? Create an account, buy from them, and leave negative feedback? Report them to ebay? How do I compete exactly?

I won't lower my price below my cost. That's dumb. If you are at that point, you might as well leave that business.

It's easy to say I'm going to do the right thing. Sure. And while I say that, I will try my absolute hardest to not be an asshole, and a bane on this earth. You guys seem to have relegated yourself to a philosophy of " eh, **** it, get them before they get you!"

I was wrong about my previous analogy of my niece wanting to steel a cookie because she saw someone else doing it. It's more of, she wants to steel the cookie, because she's a thief and a liar. And you know what they say about thieves and liars. They think everyone else are also thieves and liars, so they are gonna lie and steal before anyone else gets a chance to. Survival of the fittest!

They don't leave negative feedback anymore as that leaves a mark on their account, and they can do much more damage with returns and then leave positive feedback and ding your DSRs
With most new starting accounts it takes three returns to have it on the back burner and they tend to do it over three month so as not to look too obvious.

Like I said I have a lot of accounts stuck in rest mode thanks to these dickheads and their attacks are always the same so I totally agree and wonder at what point do these people stop as it is so easy to get an address off ebay and if their income is all that matters then????

[aaa7z5]

Originally Posted by isitworththestress

I hope you did not use your working account to do so, as lifting your head up this way can get it noticed in all the wrong ways. or they may suspect that you are up to no good.

Learned this lesson the hard way this week, two months of work down the drain.

[degsey69]

Is posting in a thread that was last posted in 8 years ago a record on this forum.