DAC7 EU Tax Transparency report

[wonky]

Hi folks,
I received an email "Your 2023 Platform Tax Transparency report has been submitted to the German tax authorities"
It's a stealth acc. When i received the message that i have more than 30 sales / 2000 Euro in a year and i need to fill my tax information i choose "I don't have Tax ID number".
I don't know what to expect from now on. Does anyone has the same situation?

[murdered_by_ebay]

what is the country of ebay account registration?

[wonky]

Bulgaria.
I read that this will apply to all EU citizens.

[murdered_by_ebay]

Originally Posted by wonky

Bulgaria.
I read that this will apply to all EU citizens.

this means you sell on ebay germany and at some point the german tax authorities may check through databases if VAT for these sales was paid

if they notice it was not paid the ebay account may be suspended , even if it is stealth they will still expect that they find these details in their system so that it would be better to register for tax there , they don't care if the details are real

germany is by far the strictest country on taxes , I once had an amazon account suspended on orders of the german finanzamt and the entire balance was gone

[wonky]

So, if you are EU citizen, but don't sell anything thru .de website there will be no DAC7 tax report?
The taxes cannot be paid, because it's stealth, there is no such person.

[murdered_by_ebay]

Originally Posted by wonky

So, if you are EU citizen, but don't sell anything thru .de website there will be no DAC7 tax report?
The taxes cannot be paid, because it's stealth, there is no such person.

germany would register you for tax under any details , they don't care

[wonky]

I think this is nothing to do with selling in .de.
The sales sum in the report include all my sales in .de and .com as well.

"The Platform Tax Transparency Act (PStTG) is the German implementation of a
European Union (EU) directive known as DAC7 that requires operators of digital
platforms, like online marketplaces such as eBay, to report transaction data of its users
to tax authorities under certain circumstances.
You’re receiving a report because you reside in the EU and meet the criteria required
by DAC7:
Your sales on eBay equal or exceed €2,000 after deducting fees and commissions
or taxes, or
You completed 30 or more selling transactions in a calendar year"

I think this is very similar to "HMRC" in UK for what i read about today.

[murdered_by_ebay]

did they tell you they sent details to german tax authority?

[wonky]

Yes.
But this is only for one of my acc (approx 1y old), i have older ones (pre-MP, exceeded 2000 Euro for year) also with sales on .de, but without tax reports for now.

[murdered_by_ebay]

Originally Posted by wonky

Yes.
But this is only for one of my acc (approx 1y old), i have older ones (pre-MP, exceeded 2000 Euro for year) also with sales on .de, but without tax reports for now.

in the future once you exceed 2000 eur all accounts will be reported where it was exceeded , this alone is not a problem yet as long as you stay below about 7000-8000 eur

[175tom]

Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay

in the future once you exceed 2000 eur all accounts will be reported where it was exceeded , this alone is not a problem yet as long as you stay below about 7000-8000 eur

What do you mean exactly? I have a private account that I have sold up to £1500 and have stopped before reaching the threshold for reporting. Are you saying we are able to sell more than this without being reported?

[murdered_by_ebay]

Originally Posted by 175tom

What do you mean exactly? I have a private account that I have sold up to £1500 and have stopped before reaching the threshold for reporting. Are you saying we are able to sell more than this without being reported?

this was written for the EU , being reported is not such an issue comparing to what they will be confronted with close to 8000

[Aguero]

Originally Posted by wonky

Hi folks,
I received an email "Your 2023 Platform Tax Transparency report has been submitted to the German tax authorities"
It's a stealth acc. When i received the message that i have more than 30 sales / 2000 Euro in a year and i need to fill my tax information i choose "I don't have Tax ID number".
I don't know what to expect from now on. Does anyone has the same situation?

It's an account verified with someone's ID, imo.

Ebay reports data to German tax authorities, then they allocate it to all the EU countries, including Bulgaria. Names, DOB, bank account, address, TIN or place of birth and total amount paid to the seller.

Even without a TIN provided, NRA will hunt the person down by names, DOB and bank account number. There is a bank register database in Bulgaria. You have to pay 15% tax on the turnover, not the profit and penalties. Bulgarian post also reports to NRA since 2020, no more evasion.

[rswomA]

Originally Posted by Aguero

It's an account verified with someone's ID, imo.

Ebay reports data to German tax authorities, then they allocate it to all the EU countries, including Bulgaria. Names, DOB, bank account, address, TIN or place of birth and total amount paid to the seller.

Even without a TIN provided, NRA will hunt the person down by names, DOB and bank account number. There is a bank register database in Bulgaria. You have to pay 15% tax on the turnover, not the profit and penalties. Bulgarian post also reports to NRA since 2020, no more evasion.

Some say that your infos wont be reported if you didn't submit the number, but nobody knows for sure

[Aguero]

Originally Posted by rswomA

Some say that your infos wont be reported if you didn't submit the number, but nobody knows for sure

Tax report submitted with no TIN provided, already confirmed by Wonky.

Bulgarian NRA also collects data from all the shipping carriers like A1post, Direx and Postone. Impossible to be invisible.

[wonky]

The main question is do they will find you if you are stealth, because the only thing you can not "create" is the IBAN, or am i wrong?
Let me know if there is a stealth way to get your funds from the bay with stealth info.
And the other serious question is what will happens about the mismatch of the IBAN holder and the other info provided to e bay in case of tax collecting attempt.

[murdered_by_ebay]

this depends on the country and turnover , the strictest of all is germany

[Aguero]

Originally Posted by wonky

The main question is do they will find you if you are stealth, because the only thing you can not "create" is the IBAN, or am i wrong?
Let me know if there is a stealth way to get your funds from the bay with stealth info.
And the other serious question is what will happens about the mismatch of the IBAN holder and the other info provided to e bay in case of tax collecting attempt.

It doesn't matter right or wrong. You've claimed twice your account is stealth. You've found a workaround to use doctored ID probably.

In regard of your previous posts you've used yours/relative real IBANs. Hiding taxes is an administrative violation, using someone's ID is a criminal act in Bulgaria by law. NRA will simply found you by IBAN holder's name via National bank accounts databe.

They are hungry for money and report numbers to manipulate public opinion, heavily corrupt institution. You should read what the declared cash on delivery figures are through Econt and Speedy. It's massive. Bulgarian Post and all the shipping carriers also report to NRA by law.

[rsot]

there is a difference between stealth info and uisng someone elee's real ID...the latter one is criminal if not known to the other

[andro0_11]

Originally Posted by wonky

Hi folks,
I received an email "Your 2023 Platform Tax Transparency report has been submitted to the German tax authorities"
It's a stealth acc. When i received the message that i have more than 30 sales / 2000 Euro in a year and i need to fill my tax information i choose "I don't have Tax ID number".
I don't know what to expect from now on. Does anyone has the same situation?

Now when its 2025 already, did you hear anything from them at all? Or that report was lost in the void.

[rsot]

Not sure if OP is around much - no recent posts since Dec 2024

[andro0_11]

It seems like his profile was active 2 days ago, hope he still checks here from time to time