I've been experimenting with transferring funds between stealth paypal accounts

[lightmaria]

Okay so I know 99.9% of you guys are against doing this but let me tell you what I've been doing. (I've been doing this for like 3-4 months so far)

I created a mother-ship paypal account where I send all my funds too (this account is the one that has a bank account attached to it.) I also sell on ebay on this account but very lightly, less than 20 items a month; which doesn't generate much revenue (couple hundred).

Now I have 5 vba accounts These also get around 100-300 dollars in revenue a month each. I send a payment to my mothership account every 20-30 days as a service; usually something like "paying landlord" or any other service and I pay PP a small fee. I don't transfer funds from all my vbas to my main account at the same time I generally wait 4-5 days in between not to make anything too obvious

Then I simply withdraw the funds from my main account to my bank account.

So in the back of my head I'm thinking wow these vbas are cheap and fairly riskfree; if I can make a bunch of vba PP accounts and generate some money from ebay that would be great but the only trick is getting the money out; so I tried testing this mothership/ mini ship project and everythings been fine from what I can see. This is all just for some side pocket money I also have other main PP/ebay accounts where I generate the majority of my profits (so I'm not putting all my eggs in one basket.) So yeah if I had like 5 motherships/50 mini ships life would be good. That way in the future if one set of ships get all linked (not likely though), I'd have more sets to fallback on.

So yeah, I'm sure some of you guys do this but I wanna know what the majority of you guys think about this?=) =)

[Futuremogul888]

I think your whole plan sounds like a house of cards. It is a good way to loose everything in quick succession guaranteeing it will devastate you.

[GreenBean]

House of cards, falling dominoes , take your pick.

[BiN4RY]

^This.

If one is caught, then they all go down. What you're doing is extremely risk and this is inevitable.

[lightmaria]

Yeah but there's no risk involved in my opinion. Okay one set of cards fall, but did it really cost me anything? other than a few low feedback accounts? And some vbas I spent on.

[Sandy D]

A while back someone else posted they did a similar thing.

Then reported they did it with 8 or so accounts and all 8 plus 3-4 others they sent money to all went down.

It has already been tested by many and majority fail. Especially on newer accounts that will get flagged far more easier then old aged ones.

The odds are against you big time. But some have pulled it off but in the end lost good aged accounts in the process that could have been saved.

[lightmaria]

So how do people with paypal accounts that have vbas attached, get their money out? Is there no way basically?

[slim jim]

Originally Posted by lightmaria

Yeah but there's no risk involved in my opinion. Okay one set of cards fall, but did it really cost me anything? other than a few low feedback accounts? And some vbas I spent on.

no risk involved? how about losing your money for 6 months (at a minimum)

[lightmaria]

yeah but I'm dealing with low amounts of money 100 bucks a month per account 5 accounts so like 500 dollars a month, thats not much of a risk

[AuctionsDenied]

Originally Posted by lightmaria

yeah but I'm dealing with low amounts of money 100 bucks a month per account 5 accounts so like 500 dollars a month, thats not much of a risk

Well just go ahead and transfer into my accounts, since it is just a drop in the bucket to you.

J/K

[danshan]

Dont transfer to my accounts I dont want to be linked

[last3379]

The thing i worry about when transferring from paypal to paypal is will it throw up flags that the ip address area of the receiver and senders are so close to each other?

Also if i were to do this i would at least make it look good by maybe buying something from myself over ebay...

Any idea on these 2 points would be appreciated...

[lightmaria]

Mmm I use a dongle that covers really far areas.

And I wouldn't buy anything cause they have stealth addresses but I could buy digital wallpapers and stuff? Idk =x



Okay well you guys all think this is a bad idea but I'm just try it anyways. Worst case scenario I lose some money and some accounts get linked but I learn from all of this and gather some useful information. =) thanks for the responses.

[slapped]

The idea of this type of thing has been around for YEARS, someone online has been selling a book about it for YEARS, the end is ALWAYS the same,,THE BOOT, for ALL the Accounts Even UNLINKED accounts form different Mothership/Miniship groups.

The Moment an Ebay/Paypal employee conduct a Manuel Review of ANY one account inside something set up like what you are talking about, the WILL see exactly what is going on. ALL Acccounts undergo Manuel Reviews, they just do not tell you.

Most users here only focus their account Mangament on a VERY few BASIC things, like Different IP Addresses, Cookies as Someone mentioned, ect, ect, and they NEVER look at some of the More sofisticated methods that are used to find/link and suspend accounts.

Such methods like browser fingetprinting, User Profiling, just to name a Few, all of these accounts that users frequently talk about managing/creating, ect, ect, Im sure the all have seperate IP Addresses, do Not share Cookies, but do they each have their own Computer, with their own Operating system, and their own Browser, each with different screen Resolutions, these are just some of the points that will link accounts together, how many computers do you think log onto Ebay that have a Windows Vista Operating system Service pack 1, using Opera to browse the internet, with a screen resolution of 1080 x 768, with Avast Anti Virus, ?

You have NO Idea Right?,,well Ebay can tell you EXACTLY How many, so now if you use 1 Computer with 50 different User ID's one for each account, you may solve the Cookie Issuse, but unless you do a WHOLE lot more, you did not do a thing about your Browser Fingetprint, which would be common in ALL 50 Accounts, therefore linking you,,And I did NOT even Begin to discuss User Profiling, which is FAR More accurate.

There are ways to make something like this have a chance, but the amount of work is ASTRONOMICAL

So the bottom line is that this will work for a while, but the MOMENT 1 of those accounts is reviewed they will ALL go,,,,GUARANTEED

[Sandy D]

Awesome input Slapped!

[BiN4RY]

Originally Posted by lightmaria

So how do people with paypal accounts that have vbas attached, get their money out? Is there no way basically?

Get creative. That's all I can tell you.

[MM78]

This is how I feel after reading this thread....

[GreenBean]

Originally Posted by lightmaria

yeah but I'm dealing with low amounts of money 100 bucks a month per account 5 accounts so like 500 dollars a month, thats not much of a risk

Daft point of view.

Handing paypal the right to hold 500 doallrs of your hard earned money is a poor practice. There are 495 good reasons to avoid that. ($495)

You have also not looked at the broader picture.

You are basing this on paypal, and paypal only, taking pre-emptive action against you.

Where is your plan of action, when paypal tell ebay to suspend your account?
ebay could suspend you AND tell your buyers you are suspended & to file chargebacks..... that $500 is gone.

You have a negative balance.

You have no paypal(s).

You have no ebay(s).

You have no money.
Picture is far broader than you have thought

[slapped]

On the issuse of getting money out of paypal,,,there are MANY Ways, Buying Giftcards is one very common way,,,

If I were you Id Leave that "Mother Ship, MiniShip" Hores Sh^t to Captain Kirk and Mr Spock, and let them deal with it

[lightmaria]

LOL ^

Okay I'll just try different methods thanks ;D

[rsot]

lightmaria, what is your issue with opening up a couple of real bank accounts for use with paypal?

[lightmaria]

Umm no real issue, I guess I'm just paranoid that opening up a lot of bank accounts is just abnormal. Everytime I go to chase they are like oh boy you're only 20 and you have 7 accounts and they give me a wtf look. I have a few with BOA also.

I mean nothing against it. I know there are tons of banks.

I don't know its a lot to keep track of. If I forget to keep a check on one for some time and it so happens to be in negative balance for a long period of time; thats gonna mess up my credit.

So I don't know thats why I'm reluctant to go out there and spam bank accounts