How to deal with trademark violation on powerseller & other ebay account

[ksg1648]

Hi everyone,
Ive been listing jeans on ebay for months without issues, now suddenly got the trademark violation issue.

Just wondering - if I just list the item without any images or just one image would that get around trademark? i mean that way the Vero guys wouldnt be able to tell if it is ⊗⊗⊗⊗ or not?

any thoughts?

[Vicvelcro]

VeRO isn't worried about only ⊗⊗⊗⊗ goods. They also want to stop anyone who does not have a license (from the trademark holder) to sell the goods officially.

Say I'm the big bad wolf. I huff and I puff. If you have a real rolex for sale, but you didn't pay the company some ransom/protection money, I'll blow your house down.

If you have a ⊗⊗⊗⊗ rolex, I won't bother to huff and puff first.

If you are really determined to challenge my big bad wolfiness, you can challenge the takedown and cry about first-use. Eventually, it will work for you. Maybe once. Expect me to keep huffing and puffing and blowing, the entire time.

[GreenBean]

Originally Posted by ksg1648

Hi everyone,
Ive been listing jeans on ebay for months without issues, now suddenly got the trademark violation issue.
Just wondering - if I just list the item without any images or just one image would that get around trademark? i mean that way the Vero guys wouldnt be able to tell if it is ⊗⊗⊗⊗ or not?
any thoughts?

For starters your account is 'flagged'. ebay knows what you are doing so listings
will be checked. Leave that account to cool down & use other accounts if you have any. Also pay attention to vicvelcro's post:

Big Brother is watching you

[ksg1648]

lol stupid big brother.. k so im thinking of setting up a second user attached to this user as aback up - you can have multiple users sharing the same paypal address etc details so i might set that account up now.

[Vicvelcro]

Why link the account to an existing account? If you ever have probs with either account, you'll have probs with BOTH.

Keep them separate.

[GreenBean]

^^^vicvelcro is correct. In these times where it is a pain to lose an account, it is a sound practice to keep everything separate. Think of the game of dominoes....once one account goes down, so does the next one.
Backup and separate accounts are good

[Vicvelcro]

Plus, any accounts you already have or can create quickly, will be a benefit. It will not get any easier to make replacements. Why carelessly ruin what you already built, just by being in a hurry?

[ksg1648]

Hi everyone,

Im a powerseller and been on for 1year thanks to stealth! *yayy* first trademark violation yesterday so am not listing ANYTHING vero or dodgy on this account for the 90 days or until my policy compliance goes back to good.

As per ebay's rules i want to create a sub account with all the same info - address, bank. paypal linked to this main account so i can build up this second account and put on some vero items (possibly?)

At the same time i will be making a brand newbie account just in case this all fails.

My question is should i create a sub-account or just not bother? i dont want to get my good powerseller acount screwed up.. secondly if i do create one can i do it on the same windows username or do i need to separate cookies etc?

any help would be appreciated

Kat

[GreenBean]

So wish that you had told us all of this in your first post.
I have merged the threads. Why? Because this thread blends with what you spoke about earlier.

[Vicvelcro]

Separate account, not subaccount (unless you want whatever happens to one to happen to both). You need separate cookies and other data.

Design your listings to look different. Use different photos and photo host.Treat each account as though they are completely different people. Address, phone, bank, listing style, time of day you usually log on... Like the two users have never even met in real life.

[ksg1648]

HI everyone thanks for your help - I guess I have read almost every post on here and what I wanted to do by creating a sub account was give my main account a breather and list other items/build up feedback. I wont actually be selling vero items on this account but wanted to spread across my branded (an Australian designer) clothing items across more than one account.

What do you all suggest? i just my just warned good (300+ powerseller) account sit for 90 days and only list non branded items, and then create a newbie account, building up feedback for the first 30 days on a few items a week for sale on 7-10day auctions then start listing a scattering of vero items? funny thing is i actually have a receipt that i list with the jeans so i think like another poster commented they are just wiping out selling the brand at all...

k thanks for your help and any advice would be great

[Vicvelcro]

This is exactly the definition of VeRO. Verified Rights Owner. Thus, somebody already owns the company. A brand name. Means it is not a generic item. If it is generic, it is NON-VeRO. If it has a genuine label, it is VeRO.

Some VeRO products have enforcers. Some don't. There is HOT VeRO and safe VeRO.

Some VeRO enforcers are also counterfeit chasers. But counterfeit ain't VeRO. It's illegal. But technically, it's a different end of law.

If the brand grants you permission to be an approved seller, you are licensed. If they don't, then you violate VeRO by selling genuine things that you do not have official permission to sell.

VeRO is not another word for f a k e. VeRO is an acronym for the real deal.

Originally Posted by ksg1648

I wont actually be selling vero items on this account but wanted to spread across my branded (an Australian designer) clothing items across more than one account.

Per your statement above, that you will be selling VeRO, you should make at least a few backup stealth accounts. Age them a bit, build a few feedback, and build them at a steady pace, starting small. (If you can)

What do you all suggest? i just my just warned good (300+ powerseller) account sit for 90 days and only list non branded items, and then create a newbie account, building up feedback for the first 30 days on a few items a week for sale on 7-10day auctions then start listing a scattering of vero items? funny thing is i actually have a receipt that i list with the jeans so i think like another poster commented

It certainly appears this way. I've noticed quite a few people mentioning that their receipts are being ignored. This does not surprise me at all. The bullies have badges. You can expect the ego factor and zeal for producing tangible results to their bosses to be a motivating factor.

they are just wiping out selling the brand at all...

k thanks for your help and any advice would be great

[Vicvelcro]

Well, I wish I had noticed this one much sooner. I could have used it as an example.

If you get hit with a trademark violation, you are being accused of selling un-genuine goods. They are alleging that you put somebody's brand name logo or tag on an artificial product.

They hit you with VeRO when they are alleging that the goods are genuine but that you do not have official permission, from the rights owner or his/her agent, to sell the goods. It's called licensing. Authorized reseller is another term.

You can't legally sell the phoney anywhere in the US.

You can't sell the real thing unless you paid retail price (on sale is ok) OR unless you have a contract with the company which grants you permission to sell the goods.

Not all brand names bother to protect their goods from resale. But they have the legal right to do so if they choose. That's what copyright and trademark are all about. There is only one Levi's, Rolex, Ford, Audigier, Versace, Caviaricci, Bolle, Carver, Samsung, Snickers, Kool-Aid, and so on. You can't have that name on a product not made by those people. If they don't want you selling their genuine product, guess what... You don't get to. It's theirs.

They call the shots. Just like you and your car. Suppose you didn't buy one, but built it custom yourself. Suppose you register a patent and copyright and all that. It's yours. You own it. The car, the name, all rights to manufacture and sell. Maybe you'd let me take it for a spin, but suppose you'd rather sell it yourself when the time comes (instead of me doing it for you whenever I want, keeping the money, and not even telling you). Hypothetically, it would be VeRO and grand theft auto. You see?

Now, suppose you don't want me making copies of your car in my garage and selling them all over town? This is not VeRO. This is trademark infringement, counterfeiting, and illegal everywhere in North America no matter what.

If you paid retail and you have your receipt, they will still bug the hell out of you and hope that you will be annoyed enough to give up. You can fight it and win. A couple years later.


Or you can cheat the game. (my favorite)

By the way, one is a criminal offense (could get you labeled under the patriot act too), the other is a civil matter involving litigation and lawsuit. Guess which is which?

Originally Posted by ksg1648

Hi everyone,
Im a powerseller and been on for 1year thanks to stealth! *yayy* first trademark violation yesterday so am not listing ANYTHING vero or dodgy on this account for the 90 days or until my policy compliance goes back to good.

As per ebay's rules i want to create a sub account with all the same info - address, bank. paypal linked to this main account so i can build up this second account and put on some vero items (possibly?)

At the same time i will be making a brand newbie account just in case this all fails.

My question is should i create a sub-account or just not bother? i dont want to get my good powerseller acount screwed up.. secondly if i do create one can i do it on the same windows username or do i need to separate cookies etc?

any help would be appreciated

Kat

[s7ven]

Originally Posted by vicvelcro

Well, I wish I had noticed this one much sooner. I could have used it as an example.

If you get hit with a trademark violation, you are being accused of selling un-genuine goods. They are alleging that you put somebody's brand name logo or tag on an artificial product.

They hit you with VeRO when they are alleging that the goods are genuine but that you do not have official permission, from the rights owner or his/her agent, to sell the goods. It's called licensing. Authorized reseller is another term.

You can't legally sell the phoney anywhere in the US.

You can't sell the real thing unless you paid retail price (on sale is ok) OR unless you have a contract with the company which grants you permission to sell the goods.

Not all brand names bother to protect their goods from resale. But they have the legal right to do so if they choose. That's what copyright and trademark are all about. There is only one Levi's, Rolex, Ford, Audigier, Versace, Caviaricci, Bolle, Carver, Samsung, Snickers, Kool-Aid, and so on. You can't have that name on a product not made by those people. If they don't want you selling their genuine product, guess what... You don't get to. It's theirs.

They call the shots. Just like you and your car. Suppose you didn't buy one, but built it custom yourself. Suppose you register a patent and copyright and all that. It's yours. You own it. The car, the name, all rights to manufacture and sell. Maybe you'd let me take it for a spin, but suppose you'd rather sell it yourself when the time comes (instead of me doing it for you whenever I want, keeping the money, and not even telling you). Hypothetically, it would be VeRO and grand theft auto. You see?

Now, suppose you don't want me making copies of your car in my garage and selling them all over town? This is not VeRO. This is trademark infringement, counterfeiting, and illegal everywhere in North America no matter what.

If you paid retail and you have your receipt, they will still bug the hell out of you and hope that you will be annoyed enough to give up. You can fight it and win. A couple years later.


Or you can cheat the game. (my favorite)

By the way, one is a criminal offense (could get you labeled under the patriot act too), the other is a civil matter involving litigation and lawsuit. Guess which is which?

Wow, pretty informative for newbie like me who just thinking of start selling at ebay. Thanks vic!

So, even if we managed to find a dropshipper in US who can ship genuine/authentic products for brands like Nike watch, Rayban sunglass, etc, if we list the items for sale/auction in ebay.com, we will still get VERO issue? Correct me if I understand it incorrectly.

Thanks!

[successsor]

yes. the way to avoid vero is u need to send some information to ebay to proof that your good are genuine. Or u can ask nike to confirm to ebay that u are selling genuine item.

[Vicvelcro]

To sell most vero goods, you have to have a license from the parent company. Not just a receipt for goods. The receipt will keep you from losing a lawsuit, but it only sometimes keeps your listing from being pulled.

It isn't so much that you need to prove the goods are genuine. More like you need to prove the company gave you permission to sell their genuine goods.

That is why so many people keep getting the MCxxxx.... Nobody get it, FFS...
⊗⊗⊗⊗ or real ain't the big issue. It's whether you have permission at all from the big man.

Permission. Permission. Permission.
Get it?

Or you need to remain in compliance with the 2% Commandment.

Just to be sure...
Permission. Permission. Permission.