Using Simon cards...to buy more Simon cards!

ifreewillie · 05-19-2007, 07:09 AM

If this works, it will be very useful for those of you who constantly gets suspended or have multiple ebay accounts.

Ok, we all know about simon's prepaid card, how they require a minimum of $20 for a card. Can't we buy one card say for $24 prepaid, then use that card to buy a $23 prepaid (leaving the first card with only $1), and use the second to buy a $22 prepaid... etc etc.

So in the end you'll have 5 cards, (4 of them have $1 in them, and one has $20) which costs only $24. Instead of buying 5 cards with minimum of $20 (total to $100).

Haven't tried it myself, but technically it should work.

*EDIT* - So it seems it's been verified that this method DOES work. A user reported ebay/paypal charges approxmiately $2, probably for verification and should get the $$ back shortly after. In that case, it might be a good idea to keep, say $5, in each card.

Jack · 05-19-2007, 10:32 AM

It could, but I find often I have to keep at least a little more available just in case the card is rejected the first time due to some glitch (it happens). This just means you would have less than 5 cards, but still it's worth a try. Anyone care to give it a shot? I don't think I'd ask them though directly. You'd probably just be told no and they'd change it so you can't.

Ballsack · 05-19-2007, 11:05 AM

I've called them a while back and asked but the rep said no. You can try it though and see what happens and report back here.

maris23 · 05-19-2007, 12:08 PM

LOL! It sure does work. I started with a $50 simon account and used it to buy 2 more giving me 3 total. Only problem is ebay and paypal double verified my account.. 4-5 dollars total plus the 1.95 paypal CC verification fee, if you use your CC to become verified. My point be same and leave yourself about 8 dollars on each simon card

Jack · 05-19-2007, 01:01 PM

Yes, but once they verify, you do get all that money back correct? Other than using the card to buy other cards and paying the fees on each account associated with that card, what can you use the cards for? I just don't want to be stuck with X amount of dollars on a card and find I can only use it once a month and that's IF the account doesn't get suspended in the meantime. And if it did, I suppose you could use it to buy yet another card for a new account, but pretty soon you would have more virtual cards than you know what to do with. Can you use these cards for anything else?

Modee · 05-19-2007, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by maris23

LOL! It sure does work. I started with a $50 simon account and used it to buy 2 more giving me 3 total. Only problem is ebay and paypal double verified my account.. 4-5 dollars total plus the 1.95 paypal CC verification fee, if you use your CC to become verified. My point be same and leave yourself about 8 dollars on each simon card

EBAY has no way of knowing that you bought your gift card with another gift card! So that "double verifying" had nothing to do with that factor.

Maybe EBAY and PP just have some way of knowing the card is a gift card which is why they ask for additional verification like the expanded use number.

On the other hand, PP tends to limit and ask for additional info on almost all accounts eventually.

Ballsack · 05-20-2007, 01:53 AM

Ah so you can buy a simon card with another simon card. This is good to know. The only other question I have to figure out now is how to get back on ebay.

Ballsack · 05-20-2007, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Modee

EBAY has no way of knowing that you bought your gift card with another gift card! So that "double verifying" had nothing to do with that factor.

Maybe EBAY and PP just have some way of knowing the card is a gift card which is why they ask for additional verification like the expanded use number.

On the other hand, PP tends to limit and ask for additional info on almost all accounts eventually.

Paypal doesn't ask for expanded use with simon gift accounts.

Modee · 05-20-2007, 10:59 PM

Ballsack, you are wrong. PP asks for expanded use...when it wants to ask for expanded use! Has nothing to do with what credit card you have utilized.

Stick around long enough and you will be asked for an expanded use # eventually.

Ballsack · 05-21-2007, 12:59 AM

No I am not, I used a simon gift account on a paypal account and they never asked for it. They only ask for expanded use when they can't verify the name and address on the visa card.

Modee · 05-21-2007, 12:13 PM

Ballsack stick around and eventually they might ask for it.

And you are completely wrong about the ability to verify the NAME via the AVS system. No AVS system verifies name.

Try it - use a credit card to buy something or get verified and enter all information completely, but CHANGE the name. The AVS (address verification system) will still accept it.

CPUGEEK · 05-21-2007, 12:16 PM

Modee is right.. The AVS just verify address. I know this becuase I have a merchant account and sometimes I disable AVS and etc...

I have to agree with expanded use, they ask for that everytime..

Modee · 05-21-2007, 01:22 PM

Ballsack by the way is your name just plain obscene or is it a play on the 19th century French writer?

Ballsack · 05-21-2007, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Modee

Ballsack stick around and eventually they might ask for it.

And you are completely wrong about the ability to verify the NAME via the AVS system. No AVS system verifies name.

Try it - use a credit card to buy something or get verified and enter all information completely, but CHANGE the name. The AVS (address verification system) will still accept it.

I've signed up with paypal 4 different times using different CC#s. Two of which were gift cards with names and address on them and the only time they've asked for an expuse is when I gave them a VCC which has none.

Modee · 05-28-2007, 07:01 PM

Absolutely wrong Ballsack - I have several PP accounts many of which signed up with plain old regular credit cards with large credit lines. One some, an expanded use # was eventually requested along with other info.

Jack · 06-30-2007, 11:33 AM

So if that's the case, can you not use a VCC to register a new paypal account? Or is it just that you won't be able to get away with it for long? Wouldn't the only time that comes into play after the original sign up be when there is some conflict on your account or a limitation caused by a dispute or whatever?

goose · 09-28-2007, 10:11 AM

Can I buy a Simon gc and use it to buy another Simon gc? I would like to do this 31 times so that the balance in each card is used to pay for the next one.

Will this raise a red flag at Simon? I want to follow feebay balling's tip on creating 31 new ebay accounts.

**aspkin** · 09-28-2007, 01:36 PM

Hmmm, I'm suspect Simon has a way to detect this easy. I'm not sure if it's against the rules are not, but it sounds like it could be.

05-19-2007, 07:09 AM	#1 (permalink)
ifreewillie eBay Enthusiast iTrader: (0) Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 91 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Activity: 0% Longevity: 86%	Using Simon cards...to buy more Simon cards! If this works, it will be very useful for those of you who constantly gets suspended or have multiple ebay accounts. Ok, we all know about simon's prepaid card, how they require a minimum of $20 for a card. Can't we buy one card say for $24 prepaid, then use that card to buy a $23 prepaid (leaving the first card with only $1), and use the second to buy a $22 prepaid... etc etc. So in the end you'll have 5 cards, (4 of them have $1 in them, and one has $20) which costs only $24. Instead of buying 5 cards with minimum of $20 (total to $100). Haven't tried it myself, but technically it should work. EDIT - So it seems it's been verified that this method DOES work. A user reported ebay/paypal charges approxmiately $2, probably for verification and should get the $$ back shortly after. In that case, it might be a good idea to keep, say $5, in each card.

09-28-2007, 10:11 AM	#17 (permalink)
goose eBay Newbie iTrader: (0) Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: USA Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Activity: 0% Longevity: 99%	Gift card question Can I buy a Simon gc and use it to buy another Simon gc? I would like to do this 31 times so that the balance in each card is used to pay for the next one. Will this raise a red flag at Simon? I want to follow feebay balling's tip on creating 31 new ebay accounts.

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05-19-2007, 10:32 AM	#2 (permalink)
Jack Level 3 Restrictions iTrader: (0) Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,115 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Activity: 0% Longevity: 98%	It could, but I find often I have to keep at least a little more available just in case the card is rejected the first time due to some glitch (it happens). This just means you would have less than 5 cards, but still it's worth a try. Anyone care to give it a shot? I don't think I'd ask them though directly. You'd probably just be told no and they'd change it so you can't.

05-19-2007, 11:05 AM	#3 (permalink)
Ballsack eBay Mastery iTrader: (0) Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 666 My Mood: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Activity: 9% Longevity: 83%	I've called them a while back and asked but the rep said no. You can try it though and see what happens and report back here.

05-19-2007, 12:08 PM	#4 (permalink)
maris23 eBay Newbie iTrader: (0) Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Activity: 0% Longevity: 90%	LOL! It sure does work. I started with a $50 simon account and used it to buy 2 more giving me 3 total. Only problem is ebay and paypal double verified my account.. 4-5 dollars total plus the 1.95 paypal CC verification fee, if you use your CC to become verified. My point be same and leave yourself about 8 dollars on each simon card

05-19-2007, 01:01 PM	#5 (permalink)
Jack Level 3 Restrictions iTrader: (0) Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,115 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Activity: 0% Longevity: 98%	Yes, but once they verify, you do get all that money back correct? Other than using the card to buy other cards and paying the fees on each account associated with that card, what can you use the cards for? I just don't want to be stuck with X amount of dollars on a card and find I can only use it once a month and that's IF the account doesn't get suspended in the meantime. And if it did, I suppose you could use it to buy yet another card for a new account, but pretty soon you would have more virtual cards than you know what to do with. Can you use these cards for anything else?

05-20-2007, 01:53 AM	#7 (permalink)
Ballsack eBay Mastery iTrader: (0) Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 666 My Mood: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Activity: 9% Longevity: 83%	Ah so you can buy a simon card with another simon card. This is good to know. The only other question I have to figure out now is how to get back on ebay.

05-20-2007, 10:59 PM	#9 (permalink)
Modee Tech Support Guru iTrader: (63) Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United States Posts: 3,813 My Mood: Thanks: 0 Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts Activity: 91% Longevity: 99%	Ballsack, you are wrong. PP asks for expanded use...when it wants to ask for expanded use! Has nothing to do with what credit card you have utilized. Stick around long enough and you will be asked for an expanded use # eventually.

05-21-2007, 12:59 AM	#10 (permalink)
Ballsack eBay Mastery iTrader: (0) Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 666 My Mood: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Activity: 9% Longevity: 83%	No I am not, I used a simon gift account on a paypal account and they never asked for it. They only ask for expanded use when they can't verify the name and address on the visa card.

05-21-2007, 12:13 PM	#11 (permalink)
Modee Tech Support Guru iTrader: (63) Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United States Posts: 3,813 My Mood: Thanks: 0 Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts Activity: 91% Longevity: 99%	Ballsack stick around and eventually they might ask for it. And you are completely wrong about the ability to verify the NAME via the AVS system. No AVS system verifies name. Try it - use a credit card to buy something or get verified and enter all information completely, but CHANGE the name. The AVS (address verification system) will still accept it.

05-21-2007, 12:16 PM	#12 (permalink)
CPUGEEK MU iTrader: (0) Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 487 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Activity: 0% Longevity: 94%	Modee is right.. The AVS just verify address. I know this becuase I have a merchant account and sometimes I disable AVS and etc... I have to agree with expanded use, they ask for that everytime..

05-21-2007, 01:22 PM	#13 (permalink)
Modee Tech Support Guru iTrader: (63) Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United States Posts: 3,813 My Mood: Thanks: 0 Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts Activity: 91% Longevity: 99%	Ballsack by the way is your name just plain obscene or is it a play on the 19th century French writer?

05-28-2007, 07:01 PM	#15 (permalink)
Modee Tech Support Guru iTrader: (63) Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United States Posts: 3,813 My Mood: Thanks: 0 Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts Activity: 91% Longevity: 99%	Absolutely wrong Ballsack - I have several PP accounts many of which signed up with plain old regular credit cards with large credit lines. One some, an expanded use # was eventually requested along with other info.

06-30-2007, 11:33 AM	#16 (permalink)
Jack Level 3 Restrictions iTrader: (0) Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,115 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Activity: 0% Longevity: 98%	So if that's the case, can you not use a VCC to register a new paypal account? Or is it just that you won't be able to get away with it for long? Wouldn't the only time that comes into play after the original sign up be when there is some conflict on your account or a limitation caused by a dispute or whatever?

09-28-2007, 01:36 PM	#18 (permalink)
aspkin Administrator iTrader: (2) Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United States Posts: 3,933 My Mood: Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts Activity: 83% Longevity: 100%	Hmmm, I'm suspect Simon has a way to detect this easy. I'm not sure if it's against the rules are not, but it sounds like it could be.