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Browser Fingerprinting questions
 

I had a quick question. If I get VMware and install a different OS for each stealth account that I use on VMware and also have different screen resolutions and time zones for each one will this help with amazon tracking me using browser fingerprinting? If I use VMware can amazon track my browser fingerprints on the computer that I run the VMware on?

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If each one is a new operating system, and you have 1 account per virtual machine you should be good to go :thumb:

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New OS is fine. If you have too many accounts, maybe begin varying it up with different screen resolutions and different browsers.

Most importantly, ensure time zone is coherent with the country/state the Amazon is registered to. A mismatch can easily raise flags.

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Time zone on the VMWare of the computer or..? Maybe i'm a bit fuzzy but what are you referring to?

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Should be obvious given the context what he was talking about...

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Would be time zone for the virtual machines, presuming the Amazon account will be running from within that VM.

The host computers time/zone cannot be seen by websites (in most cases).

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you still missing alot, canvas fingerprinting is just one of them

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Okay that answers my questions concerning the host computers browser fingerprints. Amazon can only track the virtual machines browser fingerprints and not the host computers. This sounds like the best way to go about starting multiple accounts it makes it easier to keep them separate and safe from browser fingerprint tracking.

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Using a VM is good, but there are other things to fingerprint like "feadup" stated. I recommend that you use Antidetect.

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no this is wrong, you are sharing VGA with host and sound card if its available.

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Correct me if I am wrong but the VGA is basically the video graphics array, color display screens and things like that right? So if each one of the virtual machines is running a different OS and screen resolution and even changing up other things like the time zone and that then the VGA isn't going to be that big of a deal right? Not a big enough deal to link them together at least.

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color display screen, ( resolution size ) is important, but it has nothing to do with graphic card finger print.
each vm need a graphic card to work and it use the host graphic card.
so canvas fingerprint based on the computer graphic card....

test yourself.....browserleaks.com
chech canvas section....if you are using Windows + ff = same canvas fingerprint for all your vm = a disaster!!!!

this is not everything....you still have many other factors to check.

when you finish all that, you should check your behaviour on amazon or ebay or paypal.....
like if you managed to change everything ( hardware - info - new Vcc ) they stil can get you if you are using the same VCC BIN+ price+ item+ keywords....

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Sounds scary... Then I suppose VPS is still the best way to go (if I can manage to find clean IP ranges)?

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Another good option in my opinion is to use an RDP.

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Hmm should I use a VPN with my RDP?
Is an RDP the same as a VPS.. Whats the difference?
Will it work with the same ISP ?
Will it affect connection to my LAN or MIFI unit?
IRL what sort of GUI should I expect on my RDP?
Will my IRQ still function if I have changed my DNS?
Would a new MAC address be needed?

Its courtesy to use the term in full..
Please dont expect everyone to know all the weird abbreviations
that pop up every day !!

Gaz

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An RDP is basically you connecting to a virtual computer on Remote Site.
A VPS is a software that allows you to get a new IP by routing your IP address to a server....you still need to use a browser.

Both would work fine.

It won't affect your LAN, as for your Mifi it would depend.

IRL what sort of GUI should I expect on my RDP?A windows GUI.

No clue what you are asking here.

No.

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Dang its almost easier to just get a new computer for each account!

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learn how to be unique , its much better than buy a new computer

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Actually unique is what one doesn't want to be?

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Amazon wants unique :spy:

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Unique in what aspects? Surfing behavior, or the Operating System environment? Or what?

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Off topic, if you use an Ipad and account gets suspended, can you clear all settings and start again with a new account or will the Ipad get suspended again?

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That should be fine - so long as your not using the App. Just to change things up it may be a good idea to use a different browser to last time.

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Thanks, I thought it would be Ok.

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Hum! The strength of your argument made me rethink what I said and then reply yes and no. The more unique your accounts are the more difficult it is to link them sure. Except perhaps for being too unique. But they are also more difficult to set up and if you inadvertently replicate one small aspect of that uniqueness on another account you are easily linked because they are... well unique.
On the other hand if your account is as common as they come, bar the id stuff of course, to suspend it they would have to suspend all other accounts as well which they won't. So, yes and no.

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@Granite

What you want to do with Amazon is either a) be super unique or b) super common.

If your fall into any other bracket, it becomes easier for Amazon to track/identify your accounts.

Hope that answers your question. :thumb:

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I use a hosted remote desktop for my Amazon account ... is that safe

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VPS is risky as the IPs are frequently recycled. Stick to fresh IPs from VPNs. If you must go the VPS route use a provider that is expensive and less common

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One look at it and you can tell it would not stand the test of time with Amazon.
Someday, an update will break your (seeming) protection and...

...You'd be back here wondering what happened.
You can as well kill your accounts yourself.

Avoiding browser fingerprinting using add-ons/extensions or software that phake aspects of a browser is a recipe for disaster.

A single computer per Amazon account will pass for the ultimate stealth account, but that's not feasible for most people here especially if you must have a ton of accounts.


VM comes in a close second. The more you make each VM image unique, (in comparison to your other VMs images), the better.
At the same time, the less unique all your VM images appear when compared to other test results on fingerprinting test sites online, the better.


My only quarrel with VMs is how unstable they are, and their appetite for resources; memory, space, HD read/writes, etc. :juggle:

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This sounds like good advice for managing important handfuls of accounts. Not so good for managing 50+ accounts. I see browser virtualization (MLA, linken sphere) as a way to efficiently manage many many accounts. Vmachines simply aren't a feasible option for quickly logging in,unless you were to setup vsphere esxi.

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well said! I been personally using VMs for years now without issues. I see people having issues from time to time with other fingerprint spoofers etc

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Browser virtualization /spoofing, in my opinion, is a terrible idea.
I wouldn't use Linken Sphere even if the developer paid me to.

Folks on BHW may have certain success using it to evade detection from small businesses such as ad networks and the like but chances of being detected by eBay/PayPal/Amazon is 10 to 1 and that's being very generous.

Going into the tech specifics will stray from the point, but suffice to say you'd appear unique to eBay/PayPal/Amazon. Which is exactly what you do not need to be. Each VM instances need to be as unique as possible, but they have to be collectively similar to other users so that you do not stand out

The most secure way to run multiple accounts is to have one account per computer/monitor. Impractical, I know. But that's the most secure way that I know of.

The next best thing is complete system virtualization. No spoofing or faking anything.


As regards VMware ESXi, I'd say it's just Vmware Workstation Pro on steroids. I like to think of it like a blessing and a curse. A blessing because it frees up resources, is scalable and very reliable. But it requires expensive server hardware and there is no place for a third-party host OS. No one likes to troubleshoot a proprietary OS on a Monday morning especially if they had items waiting to be dispatched on those 50 accounts. :doh:

Perhaps anyone with the expertise and deep pocket will be quite happy with it.

If I had to work with 50 active accounts, I'd need the following:

Cheap entry-level server with 64 or 128GB RAM
3 x 1TB SSDs. 2 in a mirror, 1 spare.
2TB HDD - weekly back-up to this HDD from the mirrors. Daily back-up of the browser directories from all VM instances.
1 Linux Host OS with virt-manager/KVM all setup.
Mega font pack
Huge catalogue of OS ISOs



If I were running 50 active accounts, I'd be rich enough to hire a staff to do all the boring work including switching one VM instance to another. ;)

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I'm happy with ESXi. I'm also happy with virtualization. I say keep promoting the oldschool way of manually creating virtual machines. Eventually people will get discouraged and give up. Less new fraud protection from Amazon. Less competition for me.