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Does Amazon call utility companies?
 

Hi,

I know this has been discussed before here in this forum, but if I remember correctly for the US market. I want to know if anyone of you has experience with Amazon EU on that matter.

Does Amazon call utility bill companies to verify "you" is "you"? In my opinion it is a very easy method to determine if a person really has an account at the particular company.

In Europe the person at the other end of the line just accepts it is you when you tell him/her certain details like full name, account number, invoice number and so on.

I remember one guy here in the forum actually put his own phone number on the invoice running a test and he said Amazon actually called through.

Just wanted to know if any of guys had new insights on this for the European market.

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if they want to call, they would and they do call most of the time.

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they could call obviously but I don't think they have the amount of people to call every one of them

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Thank you for your insight!

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As to "those who are looking to sell something", are you referring to me? If you have an allegation towards me, feel free to speak your mind!

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I used to work for a utility company. Unless its someone authorized, or knew the customers details for security questions, we aren't allowed to provide them with information.

Don't fret about them calling, you should be good

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Thanks for your insight. This should be true in the US, in Europe it is not. With basic info like account number, invoice number you can get into any utility account. There is no security question system in place.

Anyhow, since this seems to be a sensitive topic on this forum, thanks everybody and moving on. :)

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I don't think that this is his point.Most utility companies in the usa allow you to handle a ton of issues through the automated phone system without actually speaking to a real person.You can pay your bills through the automated system,and also trouble shoot technical issues through the automated system without actually having to connect to a person. This part is not recordered by the company. The requirement is 2 options ,your using the phone number which is connected to the account so that it instantly recognizes your information, or itll ask you to enter in information such as the account number which would be displayed on the utility bill in which you've just gave to amazon.Its process of elimination. Most people who use this forum are sending amazon edited documents, meaning false information. Amazon calls the utility number which would also be displayed on the bill you sent them to use the automated system ,they get asked to type in the account number through the phone keypad.If you sent them in a edited bill with false info like most people on this forum are doing, the account number is not going to go through the automated phone system.The automated system will tell you the account doesn't exsist.This process takes less then a minute,so I don't know why the members of this forum think it would be too much.If you were to send in a utility bill using the same account number from a suspended account it would link you.

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Why is your general tone so hostile? Maybe you should think about that when people here are talking about the EU, they are not necessarily talking about the UK, soon not be EU anyway. In most of the countries of the EU there is no security question system, no password system for accessing things like that over the phone.

It is as easy as, Hi this is Mr. XYZ, I have a question concerning my invoice with number 123456. Hold on a minute, Mr. XYZ. That is odd, I cant find any invoice with that number in our system. DONE

Lets not discuss this further tinsoldier. Thanks!

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And one more thing tinsoldier: Even if it is not true, people could still talk about it, discuss it, speculate about it. That is what a forum like this is there for, at least from my viewpoint. If you want to suppress discussion, maybe an open forum is not the right place.

I have offered valuable insight more than once on more than enough topics. If you want to treat someone like a little stupid school boy, find yourself someone else.

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To legitimate your address wit AMZ EU you can also submit a credit card statement or a bank statement, instead of a utility bill. I want to see how amazon ringss up the bank or credit card company and asks them about some of the details on the statement. lol. I doubt very much they will get any information, and AMZ knows it. Thus they won't call. For the same reason I doubt they would call up to the Utility comp.

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if they ask for it,they will verify it.

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This guy swears he gods gift to stealth.You have literally no credentials to creating amazon accounts,you cant even create accounts right now.Why do you patrol this forum like your a expert?You cant create accounts so that puts in in the same boat as everyone,a expert at nothing.Humble yourself!All information is good information,if you don't believe it then great for you,nobody even knows who you are.Maybe its good information for somebody else narcissist.

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So everybody in the world reports to you after creating a amazon account?
You are the judge and jury of all information regarding amazon?
Get over yourself!People like you have way too much free time.

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I don't think most people even get past the ID and bank statement stage.
Most people send in trash utility documents or non matching info,so right off the back amazon will decline those without needing to go the extra mile.I think at the most 10 percent of all daily sign ups will get far enough up the ladder for them to even consider calling the utility.Which I agree not all of the reps do that,Ive gotten quite a few accounts passed through the utility stage using false info this 4th Quarter ,but I do believe a few of the reps are cheating if your account even gets that far.

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That's where creativity comes into play. Account numbers change when you change the account holders name for the address, move, closed and reopened the account (for different reasons this can happen), etc.

This method of suspension (if Amazon uses it) is faulty and can be worked around if you use the gift of gab (if you know this is the reason you get suspended).

For example, you could say that I temporarily took over the bill to have it in my name to show that I had a bill in my name, but had to switch it back to my spouse so she can apply for our childs school care, or get a job, etc.



You made it clear in the UK things are different, but in the USA if anyone asks for any details of the account (including the account number) from the rep, we have to tell them we cannot reveal ANY account information without fully verifying the account. Some people kick up a fuss, or try to guilt trip you into doing it, or just saying "it's basic information, it shouldn't be a problem". I've darn near heard it all lol.

You're better off getting USA accounts and expanding into the UK if you're dealing with that sort of crap over there. I assumed your security laws would be better than the USA, that's unfortunate!

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How many accounts have you opened 4th quarter expert?None correct!
Makes you a expert at nothing.Maybe a expert douche bag at most.
Is a doctor who has a high patient death rate truly a expert?
Nobody made you the batman of aspkin forums,you are the hero that we don't need nor want.

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That's where creativity comes into play. Account numbers change when you change the account holders name for the address, move, closed and reopened the account (for different reasons this can happen), etc.


"Dude Im born and raised in the us.Utility bills don't work that simple.Most gas,water and cable services require a public records verification.Most companys will take your Social security number which must also match with your name,some even go as far as asking you a series of public records questions.You cant just change the name on the utility account willy nilly,they will require other personal information to verify you.So inless you know a ton a family and friends willing to cough up their SSN and allowing you to possibly screw their credit up just so you can create a amazon ,that options not going to work for most people."

This method of suspension (if Amazon uses it) is faulty and can be worked around if you use the gift of gab (if you know this is the reason you get suspended).



"Its not a method of suspension ,its a method of verification. Amazon requires accounts to send in a utility bill at the registration process. This is to reduce people like us from creating a abundance of accounts.So lets say for some reason you want 10 amazon stealth accounts,its just a example.You have 10 people you know with social security's to give you?"



You made it clear in the UK things are different, but in the USA if anyone asks for any details of the account (including the account number) from the rep, we have to tell them we cannot reveal ANY account information without fully verifying the account. Some people kick up a fuss, or try to guilt trip you into doing it, or just saying "it's basic information, it shouldn't be a problem". I've darn near heard it all lol.You're better off getting USA accounts and expanding into the UK if you're dealing with that sort of crap over there. I assumed your security laws would be better than the USA, that's unfortunate![/quote]

"Dude you totally missed the whole point.Im from the usa.We are not saying amazon is calling utilitys as Amazon.We are saying amazon is calling impersonating the info on the utility bill which you sent them.They are not introducing themselves as amazon,nor are they even talking to a actual rep when they do.Amazon is very well aware of the process for creating stealth accounts, they know people edit documents with false info to pass the verification.Your whole theory about switching the utility account name to get a new number ,may work for 1 or 2 accounts.Most stealthers want way more then that.When you call a customer service for any utility company the first thing asked for is the account number and name,other wise how they hell are you as a customer service rep going to know what info to pull up in the first place.Then from there you ask security questions.If the account number is a ⊗⊗⊗⊗ then ,you cant pull up any info."

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Once again ,how many accounts have you opened during 4th quarter?Your all over other posting saying its not possible.Doesnt that make your expertise obsolete.You have to actually be able to do something if your considered a expert in that field.

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Actually Ive created quite a few,4 this December out of 9 attempts. Unlike you Im not new to amazon stealth.And no im not here to attempt to sell a dam thing, so don't try that diverting tactic.
You know if you learned how to speak to people,theyd be willing to share more info with you.Your a wanna be ,self proclaimed expert.I know a lot of people who've managed to open a few accounts this winter and get passed the utility bill request,technically that makes them a lot more of a expert then you since you haven't gotten any.Why would anyone want to share info with someone trolls this forum like a snob.

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How about stop being a Douche to people and allow them to talk freely,and perhaps conversations wont get so off topic.You ever heard the saying 'if it don't apply ,let it fly".It means if you don't like something or necessarily agree with it,you keep it moving.You dont turn it into a opportunity to try to talk down to people.I can always tell the cowards from a mile away.Im from boston,we smell people like you out,this forum is the only place you feel powerful.Its a false persona buddy,step out the matrix every once and a while youre not Neo.

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I can't speak for other utilities, but electric does a soft inquiry, and no check when you need to move. If the name changes then yeah they do an inquiry but its a soft inquiry. If there's no history they can find (or crappy credit score), then they require a deposit.

Long story short, there's no ding to your credit score, and its really no issue to remove and re-add your name, or change account holder.

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:pop2::argue:

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Im not trying to bash any of your ideas.But what your saying is not Ideal to most amazon stealthers.Ding or no ding to your credit,lets completely forget about that because its off subject from the point.In order to change a USA utility bill into the name of another account owner ,you must have their SSN in general just so they can ID you.Most utilitys here work like that.Im not sure about the people you know but most people in the USA are protective about their SSN and sharing them.And theres only so many times your utility companies will allow you to swap names out in a certain time period, especially if your bouncing back and forth between the same few people to the same address.

Plus keep in mind most people using this forum are not from the usa,and don't actually have utilities here.Editing documents are the only options for most of them.Alot of foreign people use this site because they don't have access to certain documents only provided if your a usa citizen.Most are getting their documents from images they find online or people claiming to sell Documents like second eye which they don't know are super outdated,thats why they never pass.So when your coming up with solutions for stealth you got to keep them in mind too.

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You're missing my point...I'm saying all of this in reply to the OP's message, then you (or someone else) said amazon Is going to verify the documents. How can they verify when account numbers change on the fly, and utility companies don't do a hard inquiry, and cancel/renew accounts all the time, constantly changing account numbers? Also, they won't divulge in ANY account info without you verifying certain info only close friends and family members would know.

In essence, its best to go with electric utility documents in the USA. This is coupled with my recommendation to purchase a USA amazon stealth account on the forums

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The Op is not from the usa,so as stated he most likely doesn't have a utility company here.
Theres only 1 account seller for amazon on this forum and they can barely create them,because that person is too not from the usa even though he has a false flag.Plus not many people are trying to pay close to 1k or 1k+ as some reported for a new amazon account thatll likely have issues with IP complaints.I think telling people go buy an account from someone is a cop out response,when the whole purpose of this forum and the book it sells is teaching everyone solutions to do it themselves.The marketplace is a last resort.

Im going to say again ,not all utility companies work like that.I know I can not call Nationalgrid every week I want to make a new account with amazon and swap a name.Its just not Ideal for the way stealthers operate.They are going to look at that as strange activity.Not all people have electric bills as well,nor does everybody know other people thatll allow this.

And another thing,national grid has a online payment system that displays the residential service address by only enter a account number and name.No security questions required!
https://paynow8.speedpay.com/NationalGrid/index.ASP
Comcast automated phone system gives out the residential address after you type in the account number into the phone dial pad alone without any additional security questions.
Youll find if you search hard enough a lot of utility companies have some loopholes.You keep bringing up the fact about what reps are allowed to do,we have mentioned multiple times that amazon is NOT speaking to the customer service reps.

Amazon has offices, warehouses ,and stores spread all across the world. They likely have a utility bill from most major utility companies to compare too. Odds are they know loopholes that give out more info then you think. Most internet and cable companies have live chat directly on their website. Its ridiculously easy to get the live chat people to confirm account info if you have someone's utility in front of you.Plus amazon only needs to know if the info you gave them matches the utility bill info or not.Its the same way they verify your tax info provided matches whats on the IRS database,the irs sends them a simple no and that's all amazon needs to know.The Irs doesn't give amazon details either.Its called process of elimination.

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may be sites like AMZN and Ebay and FB have their own little data bases on us,they could search their own database first using robot before a human is involved.

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Most people know amazon uses bots before humans to police the site.Humans are the final say.In certain account related issues a bot can suspend your account. Despite everything that I've stated so far about the utility ,amazon accounts are not impossible to make. The whole thing with the utility I only think they may do depending on the rep.But its most likely not as often. Were talking about a company who maybe attempting to use facial recognition as apart of their sign up process, why are we still surprised about what amazon is trying to get away with.

I think most cases people fail verifications because there documents are not as up snuff as they believe, or they are sending amazon in documents that are not accepted any longer.Amazon is good at noticing patterns us stealthers use and add it to their aligorithms,so what may of worked a month ago may not work now. I have a unfair advantage because I have access to a ton of real up to date documents that I can mix up combinations and throw amazon off.Dont message me because I will not sell any.But at the very least I can tell people is that stealth on amazon isn't dead,its going to be harder if you don't live in the usa.Youll have to figure out ways to use information and documents from the country you live in to create accounts.

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My point is the electric bill won't be Scrutinized like you guys think if its a USA accoint. That's my take from working for an actual electric company.

I will now bow out.

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Your point wasnt 100 percent disagreed with.We got what you were saying,I dont know why you felt the need to keep re explaining.Yes your solution may work with your 1 very specific company you worked for,whenever you use to work for it.That was already agreed too.

On the other side of the fence your solution is more of a band aid on a bullet wound.Were trying to do surgery to fix the issues so everyone can succeed,not just patch it.

The most helpful thing you could do which you havent seemed to do as of yet is tell us which utility company this was you worked for.Maybe itll help people who actually use them

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My apologies, i didn't feel like reading the walls of text after I made my point, and it seemed like things were going off the point I was trying to make, so i re-clarified and ended it there. If you read through some of the initial posts, youll see why I Reiterated what I said. Disagree or not, I'm speaking from first hand experience in the system, not as an outsider...so disagreeing with my point doesn't really make it false. If you failed verification in the USA, and the bill is as updated and legit as it gets, you failed because of something else. Something went wrong that caused the denial/suspension.

From what I know, it should be generally the same for ALL USA based electric companies, but I used to work for FPL.

Hopefully someone can help the OP in his specific situation.

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Thanks to everybody who has participated in this discussion.

Although heated, it lead to more insights for me.

I never said or stated, that something IS like that, I was speculating and wanted a discussion, that is all.

I did not want to stir a fight and also did not want it to get personal.

In my opinion we are here for a common goal.

This will be my last post in this thread.

Happy Xmas everybody and enjoy the time with your loved ones.