Anyone else having issues with dropshipping?

[quantum]

not a retiree, half way there haha. As mentioned, no complaints and no negative feedbacks within the past few months. All metrics are green. Tracking makes the most logical sense at the moment. Out of my 10 years, I've received only a handful of complaints about a packing slip. I would always include a message to not include a packing slip on all of my orders.

[quantum]

Originally Posted by amzrocket

Yeah not too many people would be thrilled about getting overcharged 30% on something. Even if the seller gives a full refund w/o return to make the buyer happy, the damage is still done with enough of those complaints because of keywords.

Most of my customers are corporations, specifically the IT side. These guys are willing to pay 100-200% mark-ups with no hesitation. Less complaints as well.

[Apexpursuit]

Originally Posted by quantum

not a retiree, half way there haha. As mentioned, no complaints and no negative feedbacks within the past few months. All metrics are green. Tracking makes the most logical sense at the moment. Out of my 10 years, I've received only a handful of complaints about a packing slip. I would always include a message to not include a packing slip on all of my orders.

Are you referring to using temporary tracking numbers or amz identifying you for shipping from multiple locations. If temporary tracking where do you get the temporary tracking from?

[Apexpursuit]

A less likely but also possible scenario is a competitor reporting you for dropshipping. I have heard of this happening to sellers

[amzrocket]

Originally Posted by quantum

Most of my customers are corporations, specifically the IT side. These guys are willing to pay 100-200% mark-ups with no hesitation. Less complaints as well.

Most doesn't really cut it though, if 5-10% of your customers complain that's a big problem. For what I do, most people don't complain either, but the few that do cause problems.

[Apexpursuit]

Originally Posted by amzrocket

Most doesn't really cut it though, if 5-10% of your customers complain that's a big problem. For what I do, most people don't complain either, but the few that do cause problems.

It just takes one unfortunately. Possible that amazon is just adding in the eBay detection. I haven’t heard of eBay to amz dropshippers getting slammed till now. Really hoping it isn’t a multiple locations issue. I dropship from hundreds of locations but my suppliers all fall within amazons policies.

[BigLad]

It's not problem, he can just message the Ebay seller and say it's a gift, don't include any paperwork.

[csproo]

Originally Posted by agent006140

could be AMZN,PAYPAL,EBAY ARE sharing information.
With PAYPAL,when it finds out an Ebay seller received payment for item XYZ and immediately go to Aliexpress to buy the same item XYZ ,it will suspend the account .

No way. The fraud system doesn't work like that. It mostly depends on the IP and anti-detection technology.

[Apexpursuit]

Originally Posted by BigLad

It's not problem, he can just message the Ebay seller and say it's a gift, don't include any paperwork.

eBay sellers aren’t stupid, they know. Better to be honest

[amzrocket]

Originally Posted by Apexpursuit

eBay sellers aren’t stupid, they know. Better to be honest

If you say don't include paperwork and the seller sees the message, they'll probably honor the request if it's a smaller seller. The problem is a lot of sellers won't see that request, or will just forget to do it if their standard procedure is to include a packing slip. If it's a larger seller they're not gonna go out of their way to make sure 1 out of their 50 shipments that day doesn't have a packing slip.

[rsot]

Originally Posted by quantum

Most of my customers are corporations, specifically the IT side. These guys are willing to pay 100-200% mark-ups with no hesitation. Less complaints as well.

solid clientele with deep pockets - nice

[soheil]

After reading the entire thread, my understanding is the only way that AMZN can find out dropshipping issue is via tracking numbers that shows shipping from multiple locations.
I was wondering if someone already figured out the solution to resolve this issue and share it.
Thanks in advance!

[Apexpursuit]

Originally Posted by soheil

After reading the entire thread, my understanding is the only way that AMZN can find out dropshipping issue is via tracking numbers that shows shipping from multiple locations.
I was wondering if someone already figured out the solution to resolve this issue and share it.
Thanks in advance!

Thats still a far reach for them. A lot of large sellers ship from many different locations. Amazon would have to go off the assumption that you ship from more locations than many large sellers. Even then dropshipping is allowed as long as you follow their TOS.

[amzrocket]

There's a lot of valid reasons for companies to hate dropshippers.

The nature of the business inherently leads to a lot of unhappy customers. The whole concept of dropshipping is you're basically ripping someone off who's too lazy to shop around and order it from the source you're getting it from. While most of those customers most likely won't care (they were too lazy to look around to begin with), some of them will realize what happened when they get the package (either from a packing slip showing a lower price, or seeing walmart or whoever's name on it) and will be unhappy, and some percentage (higher than a regular merchant's) will open a dispute which the payment provider has to now arbitrate. There's also a higher likelihood of you being out of stock, because one reason people will pay a higher price is when the legitimate sources that are cheaper are actually out of stock. Again, this leads to more refunds, more disputes, and more complaints in general.

Bottom line is, dropshippers are more likely to be a problem merchant, and payment providers and marketplaces just don't want to deal with it.

I mean, personally, if I ordered something from Amazon for $100 and it came in a walmart box with a packing slip that says $50, I'd tell the seller they owe me a $50 refund or an A-Z's getting opened. Unfortunately for dropshippers, most customers wouldn't give the seller a chance to resolve it and would just complain to Amazon, and enough of those complaints means you're done.

[BigLad]

Originally Posted by amzrocket

There's a lot of valid reasons for companies to hate dropshippers.

The nature of the business inherently leads to a lot of unhappy customers. The whole concept of dropshipping is you're basically ripping someone off who's too lazy to shop around and order it from the source you're getting it from. While most of those customers most likely won't care (they were too lazy to look around to begin with), some of them will realize what happened when they get the package (either from a packing slip showing a lower price, or seeing walmart or whoever's name on it) and will be unhappy, and some percentage (higher than a regular merchant's) will open a dispute which the payment provider has to now arbitrate. There's also a higher likelihood of you being out of stock, because one reason people will pay a higher price is when the legitimate sources that are cheaper are actually out of stock. Again, this leads to more refunds, more disputes, and more complaints in general.

Bottom line is, dropshippers are more likely to be a problem merchant, and payment providers and marketplaces just don't want to deal with it.

I mean, personally, if I ordered something from Amazon for $100 and it came in a walmart box with a packing slip that says $50, I'd tell the seller they owe me a $50 refund or an A-Z's getting opened. Unfortunately for dropshippers, most customers wouldn't give the seller a chance to resolve it and would just complain to Amazon, and enough of those complaints means you're done.

What a load of bull

If you bought something for $100 in one physical shop, then you found out afterwards it was $75 in another, you wouldn't go running inside screaming "rip off". What you would do if the difference was big enough is try to return the item, but if the price is not that much difference then you probably wouldn't bother. Which is how these Ebay arbitrage sellers work, most of them are making very small profits on most items so who the hell who scream "rip off" when he realises he's paid $25 for something that was $20 on Amazon. He would in most cases think "Silly me" and not think anything more of it.

There will be a few losers that will leave negative FB, but they are generally low.

Yeah you would threaten him with an A to Z because you're a loser. Anyone else would try to return it, or just keep it and lesson learned.

[amzrocket]

Originally Posted by agent006140

please do not call them dropshippers,they are retail arbitragers-taking a customer money and then go to another RETAILER to buy and ship the order for you.
AMZN frowns it so now more Ebay sellers are using WMT,as WMT just introduce a $35 membership for speedy shipping.

That's literally the definition of dropshipping, selling something you don't own and buying it after you get an order.

It's a problem because there's no guarantee the source you're buying it from will have it available when you go to place the order. There's a good reason why you're prohibited from selling inventory you don't own.

[amzrocket]

Originally Posted by BigLad

What a load of bull

If you bought something for $100 in one physical shop, then you found out afterwards it was $75 in another, you wouldn't go running inside screaming "rip off". What you would do if the difference was big enough is try to return the item, but if the price is not that much difference then you probably wouldn't bother. Which is how these Ebay arbitrage sellers work, most of them are making very small profits on most items so who the hell who scream "rip off" when he realises he's paid $25 for something that was $20 on Amazon. He would in most cases think "Silly me" and not think anything more of it.

There will be a few losers that will leave negative FB, but they are generally low.

Yeah you would threaten him with an A to Z because you're a loser. Anyone else would try to return it, or just keep it and lesson learned.

If a store was selling something for $100 and it still had a $75 price tag on it from another store, you can bet people would complain. Hence why my specific example included "packing slip with price on it." And it's also slightly different because the fact the product is on the shelf means they own it and you can 100% purchase it.

And I would take issue with someone drop shipping to me on an order through Amazon as I know it's against policy, and it's against policy because of issues like non-delivery (and I have had an order canceled by some asshole dropshipper on a hard to find item, I did order something else from them and filed an A-Z claim as payback later on since they strung me along for 2 weeks before cancelling the order). I don't appreciate the fact that someone marked up inventory they don't even own. If I paid more because something was out of stock elsewhere, that's one thing, but for someone to gamble on me having to possibly have an order cancelled because of their business model is not OK with me as a buyer.

You need to look at things from a buyer perspective to understand why policies are set the way they are. Buyers expect an order to be fulfilled after they click buy, end of story. If I buy a product and it turns out to be crappy, oh well, but if a merchant's selling me something they don't even have and cancel the order I will be pissed about that.

Yes, I'm probably the few % of people who are that picky. But getting a few % of your orders getting complaints is all it takes to get an account suspended.

[Hank]

Originally Posted by amzrocket

That's literally the definition of dropshipping, selling something you don't own and buying it after you get an order.

It's a problem because there's no guarantee the source you're buying it from will have it available when you go to place the order. There's a good reason why you're prohibited from selling inventory you don't own.

It only matters what Amazons definition is.

OP, and most others who post here, are not Amazon dropshippers, they are retail arbitragers.

Amazon hate this practice with a passion, it only takes one complaint and they'll suspend you. They're also pretty good at AI and techy matters, they have other ways of determining who is likely to be an arbitrager and close them down. 99% of the time they're right, the poor 1% who is a bona fide dropshipper is acceptable collateral damage to them, they have never worried about a bit of friendly fire on a low tier seller.

They will have an algorithm which will monitor key data, complaints, feedback, messages, tracking numbers, location, etc etc etc and if the light turns red you're history. It seems to work.

[Apexpursuit]

Originally Posted by agent006140

Ebay gives away free boxes,packing tapes,all stamped Ebay,so this could be one clue you are engaging in retail arbitrage.
Some Ebay sellers like to include a business card,a coupon.
Also some of your buyers are really not buying the merchandise,they are trying to find out where your merchandise come from,or in some cases,are they as described or illegal.
Like I used to sell composite figurines,but someone bought one and decide it is ivory and remove my listing,
Sometimes the manufacturers are buying -a seller claims she goes to Paris every summer and bought Chanel leather goods at discount,well Chanel bought a piece and shut her listings down.
Rolex lawyer not only remove the listing,he will also send letter asking for $$ fine.
US customs,police,FBI,IRS are also active on Ebay..
There is an outfit which is used by some sales venues,it tracks by ip address where we go,how many times we abandon shopping carts,if you receive an order from AMZN and then go to Ebay the same day,looking for the item,that could be a clue.
There is an Ebay seller who is laundering money for ISIS USA,he will sell electronic items and never ship ,someone reported him to FBI.
Recently British Museum director resigned,someone tipped him off that museum items were stolen and listed on Ebay,he paid no attention.

Interesting stuff

[rsot]

Originally Posted by Apexpursuit

Interesting stuff

here and there

[BigLad]

Originally Posted by amzrocket

If a store was selling something for $100 and it still had a $75 price tag on it from another store, you can bet people would complain. Hence why my specific example included "packing slip with price on it." And it's also slightly different because the fact the product is on the shelf means they own it and you can 100% purchase it.

And I would take issue with someone drop shipping to me on an order through Amazon as I know it's against policy, and it's against policy because of issues like non-delivery (and I have had an order canceled by some asshole dropshipper on a hard to find item, I did order something else from them and filed an A-Z claim as payback later on since they strung me along for 2 weeks before cancelling the order). I don't appreciate the fact that someone marked up inventory they don't even own. If I paid more because something was out of stock elsewhere, that's one thing, but for someone to gamble on me having to possibly have an order cancelled because of their business model is not OK with me as a buyer.

You need to look at things from a buyer perspective to understand why policies are set the way they are. Buyers expect an order to be fulfilled after they click buy, end of story. If I buy a product and it turns out to be crappy, oh well, but if a merchant's selling me something they don't even have and cancel the order I will be pissed about that.

Yes, I'm probably the few % of people who are that picky. But getting a few % of your orders getting complaints is all it takes to get an account suspended.

Nobody send the packing slip with a price on it if they are serious dropshippers.

Like you give a damn about what their policy, you're on a stealth forum and acting like Mr Moral haha

So you're happy enough buying stuff from Ebay and Amazon, these products are often also not owned by them.

[Hank]

Originally Posted by agent006140

For AMZN,it is a lousy deal,as it would be shipping gifts all over the country and pick up the shipping cost.

No they wouldn't!

Sometimes there's snippets of value in your posts, unfortunately its lost in all the garbage and off-topic nonsense.

Try to keep it factual.