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Starship 10-11-2023 09:41 PM

Fingerprints
 
Does anyone know how to hide fingerprints? Amazon has me strongly linked with fingerprints to another account, how much do they care? Can I continue operating or should I withdrawal funds and abandon account

rsot 10-12-2023 07:09 AM

Re: Fingerprints
 
browser fingerprints? you can use different browser under different user profile - one out of a few approaches

Starship 10-12-2023 07:58 AM

Re: Fingerprints
 
What about the machines physical hardware?

I use virtual machines, how to hide?

I got a report and was strongly linked via fingerprints to another one of my accounts

So far both are still active

ilcarletto 10-12-2023 09:13 AM

Re: Fingerprints
 
for Amazon accounts different physical machines shall be used.

degsey69 10-12-2023 04:55 PM

Re: Fingerprints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ilcarletto (Post 1227278)
for Amazon accounts different physical machines shall be used.

That is absolutely true!

In the past I have used a VPS for Amazon to limit being associated with my PC.

Some contributors on here say not to change the PC and others like me say one PC per account.

SaiJin 10-12-2023 05:49 PM

Re: Fingerprints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by degsey69 (Post 1227295)
That is absolutely true!

In the past I have used a VPS for Amazon to limit being associated with my PC.

Some contributors on here say not to change the PC and others like me say one PC per account.


VPS = death wish

People who swears by 1 pc = 100 amazon accounts don't know what the hell they are talking about.

Sure it may work for a while... until it won't then either they'll realize they are wrong or they'll double down and blame it on something else completely unrelated.

SaiJin 10-12-2023 05:50 PM

Re: Fingerprints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Starship (Post 1227250)
Does anyone know how to hide fingerprints? Amazon has me strongly linked with fingerprints to another account, how much do they care? Can I continue operating or should I withdrawal funds and abandon account

stop messing with browser finger prints, read the amazon ghost to start and listen to people here saying 1 PC = 1 amazon account.

This is the safest way.

paulfoltyn 10-13-2023 04:00 AM

Re: Fingerprints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by degsey69 (Post 1227295)
That is absolutely true!

In the past I have used a VPS for Amazon to limit being associated with my PC.

Some contributors on here say not to change the PC and others like me say one PC per account.

Using a VPS risks linking you to anyone else using the same system

paulfoltyn 10-13-2023 04:18 AM

Re: Fingerprints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Starship (Post 1227250)
Does anyone know how to hide fingerprints? Amazon has me strongly linked with fingerprints to another account, how much do they care? Can I continue operating or should I withdrawal funds and abandon account

Dual booting a PC with different operating systems will give you different fingerprints, except win 10, 11 which give the same. So you could dual boot win 7, 11, and various linuxs with different kernals and get different prints on each. Though microsoft has "persuraded" the big processor manufacturers like intel and amd to make it difficult to dual boot in recent years. You coud install them in a VM and get different prints, amazon will know you're using a VM, but in my experience amazon doesn't care too much about using a vm for some reason(perhaps due to the increased use of cloud computing). Paypal on the other hand don't like VM users. Further more using chrome and firefox will give you different prints. Any browser based on either chrome or firefox will give off prints the same as what its based on. I.e Mircosoft edge will give off prints like chrome.

I have not come across anti detect software/browser/plugin that hides all fingerprints even though they claim too. Since around 2017 its been difficult.

go to browserleaks.com on various browsers and you'll see the same fingerprints coming out(or different for chrome vs firefox / win 7 vs 11)

OldTom 10-13-2023 08:21 AM

Re: Fingerprints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Starship (Post 1227250)
Does anyone know how to hide fingerprints? Amazon has me strongly linked with fingerprints to another account, how much do they care? Can I continue operating or should I withdrawal funds and abandon account

How do you know Amazon have you linked via fingerprints?

If you were breaching their terms then they'd suspend you wouldn't they, if they were happy you'd never know.

Confused???

OldTom 10-13-2023 08:25 AM

Re: Fingerprints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by paulfoltyn (Post 1227314)
amazon will know you're using a VM, but in my experience amazon doesn't care too much about using a vm for some reason(perhaps due to the increased use of cloud computing).

I believe, and hope, this is true. I operate all my accounts using VMWare and have had absolutely no issues.

Those who sell accounts here surely cannot be using a new PC for each account they create.

degsey69 10-13-2023 03:38 PM

Re: Fingerprints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaiJin (Post 1227302)
VPS = death wish

People who swears by 1 pc = 100 amazon accounts don't know what the hell they are talking about.

Sure it may work for a while... until it won't then either they'll realize they are wrong or they'll double down and blame it on something else completely unrelated.

Just as I said, from experience VPS worked for me, I believe in one PC per account, others say not, the opinion on that is split.

SaiJin 10-13-2023 05:32 PM

Re: Fingerprints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OldTom (Post 1227351)
I believe, and hope, this is true. I operate all my accounts using VMWare and have had absolutely no issues.

Those who sell accounts here surely cannot be using a new PC for each account they create.

You basically reformat the hard drive completely clean. 100% wipe, then you can make or use a new amazon account on that PC

SaiJin 10-13-2023 05:33 PM

Re: Fingerprints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by degsey69 (Post 1227385)
Just as I said, from experience VPS worked for me, I believe in one PC per account, others say not, the opinion on that is split.

Right, I'm reinforcing your statement of 1 PC = 1 amazon

amzrocket 10-13-2023 06:45 PM

Re: Fingerprints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by paulfoltyn (Post 1227313)
Using a VPS risks linking you to anyone else using the same system

While this is true I'm more concerned about being linked to my OWN accounts.

Randomly being unlucky and getting linked to another suspended seller and having 1 account suspended as a result is crappy, but not the end of the world. Having all your own accounts somehow linked to each other and them all going down at once is game over.

SaiJin 10-13-2023 08:43 PM

Re: Fingerprints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by amzrocket (Post 1227396)
While this is true I'm more concerned about being linked to my OWN accounts.

Randomly being unlucky and getting linked to another suspended seller and having 1 account suspended as a result is crappy, but not the end of the world. Having all your own accounts somehow linked to each other and them all going down at once is game over.

Yep, agreed with this. Either way sucks to be linked.

But at least linked to an unrelated account some times you can appeal it and you only lose 1 account compared to multiple accounts of your own.

So yes, agreed

Starship 10-14-2023 09:14 AM

Re: Fingerprints
 
Insider reports will show you all annotations on your account

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldTom (Post 1227350)
How do you know Amazon have you linked via
fingerprints?

If you were breaching their terms then they'd suspend you wouldn't they, if they were happy you'd never know.

Confused???


Starship 10-14-2023 09:17 AM

Re: Fingerprints
 
What devices are cheap and easy to run many accounts

Also is it feasible to run 40+ devices in an office


Vmware with the same windows doesn’t work 100%. Amazon has fingerprints of this

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaiJin (Post 1227391)
Right, I'm reinforcing your statement of 1 PC = 1 amazon


OldTom 10-14-2023 09:22 AM

Re: Fingerprints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaiJin (Post 1227390)
You basically reformat the hard drive completely clean. 100% wipe, then you can make or use a new amazon account on that PC

That doesn't change the hardware ID, indeed I'd say it is less secure than using VMWare because they do actually give each machine unique hardware ID's.

But I guess it's the only option you have if you only use one PC, can't say I'd be too keen, it must be a right pain in the rear end.

SaiJin 10-14-2023 09:34 AM

Re: Fingerprints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OldTom (Post 1227421)
That doesn't change the hardware ID, indeed I'd say it is less secure than using VMWare because they do actually give each machine unique hardware ID's.

But I guess it's the only option you have if you only use one PC, can't say I'd be too keen, it must be a right pain in the rear end.

sigh... I'm telling you... reformatting and reinstalling your OS works perfectly...

SaiJin 10-14-2023 09:34 AM

Re: Fingerprints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Starship (Post 1227420)
What devices are cheap and easy to run many accounts

Also is it feasible to run 40+ devices in an office


Vmware with the same windows doesn’t work 100%. Amazon has fingerprints of this


you can buy used laptops for $3-400

rsot 10-14-2023 10:49 AM

Re: Fingerprints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Starship (Post 1227420)
What devices are cheap and easy to run many accounts

Also is it feasible to run 40+ devices in an office


Vmware with the same windows doesn’t work 100%. Amazon has fingerprints of this

like SaiJin said, you might even find cheaper than 300

amzrocket 10-14-2023 02:22 PM

Re: Fingerprints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaiJin (Post 1227426)
you can buy used laptops for $3-400

Used?

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-14-l...E&gclsrc=aw.ds

I did a quick search, this came up along with similar low end stuff, all new, many options for under $200.

Computers are cheap nowadays, especially if all you need is something to run a web browser.

There's an "open box" one for $100 on that page too

degsey69 10-14-2023 02:39 PM

Re: Fingerprints
 
You can also buy cheap used tablets that will do the same job for well under $100

OldTom 10-15-2023 04:45 AM

Re: Fingerprints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Starship (Post 1227420)

Vmware with the same windows doesn’t work 100%. Amazon has fingerprints of this

Stop cloning and create from new. They do not produce the same machine fingerprint and is one of their big selling points.

rsot 10-15-2023 09:03 AM

Re: Fingerprints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by amzrocket (Post 1227452)
Used?

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-14-l...E&gclsrc=aw.ds

I did a quick search, this came up along with similar low end stuff, all new, many options for under $200.

Computers are cheap nowadays, especially if all you need is something to run a web browser.

There's an "open box" one for $100 on that page too

Nice and simple find

murdered_by_ebay 10-15-2023 11:17 AM

Re: Fingerprints
 
you can use linux or mac , amazon can only identify hardware on windows because of loopholes

Starship 10-15-2023 11:27 AM

Re: Fingerprints
 
I’m creating them new and still amazon fingerprinted me. I’m not cloning. If you want you can pay to get your report and see if you are fingerprinted and report back?


Quote:

Originally Posted by OldTom (Post 1227476)
Stop cloning and create from new. They do not produce the same machine fingerprint and is one of their big selling points.


Starship 10-15-2023 11:30 AM

Re: Fingerprints
 
Thanks for this info. Can you pleSe confirm 100% amazon can’t fingerprint me if I get Mac to run them all


Quote:

Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay (Post 1227513)
you can use linux or mac , amazon can only identify hardware on windows because of loopholes


Starship 10-15-2023 11:32 AM

Re: Fingerprints
 
Also do I buy a MacBook or just run mac os in the VMware?

QUOTE=murdered_by_ebay;1227513]you can use linux or mac , amazon can only identify hardware on windows because of loopholes[/QUOTE]

murdered_by_ebay 10-15-2023 11:41 AM

Re: Fingerprints
 
I heard that linux is best , I do not use it myself but you can bet windows is the actual problem

degsey69 10-15-2023 12:46 PM

Re: Fingerprints
 
There is some opensource software such as web developer app for chrome browser which will detect which website id doing browser fingerprinting.

How to see if a site is using Device Fingerprinting?
Use the web developer tool with Chrome in order to list all the network traffic
To make it appear, press F12
Select the tab "Network"
Click on the button "Reload"
Inspect all the POST traffic
This is how you transfer your personal information to the vendors
Search for one POST sniffing all your JavaScript attributes, using .swf files against your consent, or any other massive data transfer from the client side to the vendors network. If you found some, that means you are fingerprinted by that website.

murdered_by_ebay 10-15-2023 01:10 PM

Re: Fingerprints
 
that is not about browser fingerprinting but hardware

amzrocket 10-15-2023 05:31 PM

Re: Fingerprints
 
It's very simple.

If you can't buy $100 - $200 computers to run your Amazon accounts on you need to rethink your business model.

You also need to pay monthly costs for every account. You need a different IP Address, phone number, credit card, bank account for every account, and you also need to pay the $40 monthly fee for every account, and you need to pay annual taxes/filing fees for all the corporations you create to make these accounts.

Spending money on a cheapo computer is the least of the costs.

Starship 10-15-2023 07:22 PM

Re: Fingerprints
 
Ok here’s my next question, it’s a little confusing I hope I’m explaining it well

Let’s say I buy 10 computers and want 10 clean accounts

Once I hire someone to create the account they would fingerprint them to all their old accounts as well?

How to avoid this?

If I bought a laptop and started a virtual machine on that laptop, can I send him a copy of the virtual machine to run the account? Or would he be fingerprinting because he logged in to the virtual machine from his computer to create the account?




QUOTE=amzrocket;1227528]It's very simple.

If you can't buy $100 - $200 computers to run your Amazon accounts on you need to rethink your business model.

You also need to pay monthly costs for every account. You need a different IP Address, phone number, credit card, bank account for every account, and you also need to pay the $40 monthly fee for every account, and you need to pay annual taxes/filing fees for all the corporations you create to make these accounts.

Spending money on a cheapo computer is the least of the costs.[/QUOTE]

amzrocket 10-15-2023 08:03 PM

Re: Fingerprints
 
Why can't you create the account? If you really need to have them remote desktop into your laptops

SaiJin 10-15-2023 09:12 PM

Re: Fingerprints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rsot (Post 1227437)
like SaiJin said, you might even find cheaper than 300

Some people like chrome books which are even cheaper but I prefer a full blown laptop.

not gonna take risks

rsot 10-16-2023 05:45 AM

Re: Fingerprints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Starship (Post 1227530)
Ok here’s my next question, it’s a little confusing I hope I’m explaining it well

Let’s say I buy 10 computers and want 10 clean accounts

Once I hire someone to create the account they would fingerprint them to all their old accounts as well?

How to avoid this?

If I bought a laptop and started a virtual machine on that laptop, can I send him a copy of the virtual machine to run the account? Or would he be fingerprinting because he logged in to the virtual machine from his computer to create the account?




QUOTE=amzrocket;1227528]It's very simple.

If you can't buy $100 - $200 computers to run your Amazon accounts on you need to rethink your business model.

You also need to pay monthly costs for every account. You need a different IP Address, phone number, credit card, bank account for every account, and you also need to pay the $40 monthly fee for every account, and you need to pay annual taxes/filing fees for all the corporations you create to make these accounts.

Spending money on a cheapo computer is the least of the costs.

[/QUOTE]

Amazon ghost guide + reading around forum will show how to make non-linked accts

Starship 10-18-2023 05:12 AM

Re: Fingerprints
 
If I give him Remote Desktop access how can he get access to the camera to attend video interview

Quote:

Originally Posted by amzrocket (Post 1227531)
Why can't you create the account? If you really need to have them remote desktop into your laptops


Apexpursuit 10-18-2023 06:44 AM

Re: Fingerprints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaiJin (Post 1227390)
You basically reformat the hard drive completely clean. 100% wipe, then you can make or use a new amazon account on that PC

Scorched earth always unless the PC is factory sealed


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