amazon router

[they_screwed_me_too]

does amazon only noting the first connecting device still apply ?

[they_screwed_me_too]

to clarify i have good amazon accounts running, my partner does also, shes now going to be working with me for a while, doe sit matter if she uses the same router

she created the account elsewhere years ago

[rsot]

The problem with using the same router is that the IP address would be identical.

Plus -if my understanding of MAC is correct (folx can correct me I am wrong), since the MAC is the point of access to the internet...your MACs for both computers would show up as the same (Don't hold me to this statement though - if I am wrong, I apologize).

[they_screwed_me_too]

as i (probably incorectly) understand amazon notes the mac of your last device inline to them which would be the router

i would of course be taking care of the ip address issue seperately

[exranger]

RSOT, you are correct (this is coming from my professional technical experience, not my very limited stealth experience).

They could be tracking more info, like your NIC's MAC address, using JAVA, I guess...

[rsot]

@exranger, thanks for the clarification. I remember reading in various posts that AZ tracks NICs but I am guessing then just the NIC of your network card?

[exranger]

This is where that debate on here lies. I have been reading a lot of the posts going back several years on this and there's all kinds of information and misinformation flying around.

Coming, as I do, from the tech side of the discussion more than the stealth side, I can say as a general rule the following (I am greatly simplifying all of this, I know there are more details, just trying to headoff a flood of responses):

If the NIC (Network Interface Card) in your computer, which has a MAC (Media Access Control) number - connects you to a router, your IP is probably a Class "C" IP - (see below), you cannot be seen by the rest of the world outside your local area network(LAN). It's one of the reasons you HAVE a LAN. It allows a lot of people at one location to basically share a "real", trackable IP. EVERYONE on your LAN would have the same "real" IP to the outside world. This is most of you with cable and DSL internet.

10.0.0.0 to 10.255.255.255 -- Class A address. (you probably wont be seeing this)
172.16.0.0 to 172.31.255.255 -- Class B address. (your router probably has one like this)
192.168.0.0 to 192.168.255.255 -- Class C address. (on a LAN, you will probably have one of these).

If your computer connects DIRECTLY to the internet (you'll NOT see a 192.168.xxx.xxx type of address) then you CAN be seen.

If you have a router, (which also has a MAC address and a "real" IP) that CAN be seen.

Now, there are ways to find out the MAC address from someone connecting toy our website. Mostly, using JAVA. Maybe only by using JAVA, except that every time I say that some 12 year old finds a way to exploit some weakness in Windows, lol.

I would pretty much doubt they are seeing your NICs MAC address if you are behind a router.

Sorry this is rambling, just had 3 hours of sleep last night. I'll try and clean it up tomorrow!

[they_screwed_me_too]

exranger

in 3 words or less please

haha

[jerseytimeusa]

would it be wise to add more routers than try and change the ip address by a digit or two ? any help would appreciated ive read the Stealth Book many times

[they_screwed_me_too]

new router, new pc new ip should do it ?

[rsot]

IT shouls t_s_m_t - and AVOID same activity.

[vlb]

the only way amazon can see your computers mac address is by some sort of script running on your local PC,

your pcs mac address is passed from your pc to the next device in the line of communication (usually your router) then your router keeps a note of it and uses its own mac address to pass onto the next device in the line of communication (usually your ISP router, the isp router does the same so on and so forth, bear in mind that there are sometimes 15 or 16 routers between your local PC and amazons web servers, that means 16 changes of MAC address before amazon gets hold of any of your data.

the only thing that is constant in a TCP data stream (relative to this converstion) is the IP address, that is passed from your home router to the isp router then onto each router betweeen you and amazon.

difficult topic to explain and inderstand if you aint technical but take it from those that are, amazon cant track your mac address via your router, which in real life terms means that aslong as you and your girl are using 2 seperate machines then you can use the same home router aslong as you change the ip address each time you switch accounts.