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Understood. Back to the topic of discussion: I'm trying to figure out if there is a legitimate product out there with a decent profit margin sold on eBay that won't trigger VERO. My experience with DOBA is negative. Highly priced cerified eBay wholesaler's products that have no demand on eBay due to their high pricing.

Anything that makes money is going to be trouble on ebay. Somebody will stick you in the back. Play hardball or plan on not making money. Doesn't matter if vero or not. Look at the antique market and the archery niche. Not vero, but viscious competition anyhow.

That's a good one. :lol: Playing hardball is a bit scary. What do you think of this?

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I think it was the stamps that got the attention. The jerseys were just included as frosting on the cake.

The B family should have gone stealth. And should have been stealth in the P.O. too.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that stealth gets you just under the eBay radar. Big Brother watching and seeing you like under the micoscope, if it wants to, even in the stealth mode, isn't it?

^^ stealth does not help with all those problems, like competitors, vero takedowns, psycho buyers etc

but it is a way of not being traced by anyone if things go wrong and changing address when banned from old one.

Oompa,

I think you have it right there. Not a cure for the problems. It's more of an insurance thing. Keeps you anonymous and allows for the possibility of coming in by the back door again later.

my advice is to not use alibaba it is so infested with scams it is hard to get anything decent

This is the cheapest supplier website that I've encountered. They sell HIGH-END items such as Nokia N95, Nokia 8600 Luna, and other Nokia phones. If you check these phones on ebay, they are heavily profitable and sold in large quantities by many powersellers. Even though they're counterfeit, sometimes you can get complaints and in trouble with your customer[s] if they find out the counterfeit item doesn't work like the real one. I just don't think a real and a countefeit electronic item can ever work the same (specially when it comes to camera and Wi-fi) even though they might look exactly the same. I myself could and would never buy/use counterfeit electronics.

which wholesale list is worth paying for?

the only place Ive got reliable suppliers from in the past is alibaba and its free, but I am looking to search new products and not sure I want to pay $20 min just to have a look.

Is it a good idea for us to share log ins, for searching purposes? Im willing to pay for one and swap for another etc....

Sod paying. Do you use the wholesalers uk forum? That has some good leads

yes i had a look but it was a messy forum tbh, any names? salhoo and all that are rubbish, they sell retail prices imo, agreed GB buying lists is a pain, only had good experience with alibaba in that respect...

I had good times with alibaba, just make sure you dont pay by western union or any unsafe methods. Also dhgate is pretty good, but I like alibaba better.

When I used to sell tangible items, I got 75% of all my items from: Liquidation.com - Wholesale and Surplus Auctions by Liquidators and always did very well.

Alot of the big department stores auction off pallets of returned and overstock items there.

They have a location near me so to save on shipping costs I would pick up my purchases right at the warehouse.


Just make sure you read the auction descriptions carefully.

Liquidation.com - Wholesale and Surplus Auctions by Liquidators

Most of there lots are cherrypicked.

liquidation.com prices look great (wish there was something like that for UK)

At a uk perspective everything looks cheaper.

or perhaps a factory has a contract to make reebok shoes, the factory then makes "extras" and sell them to some wholesalers, that in turn sells them on alibaba.....the shoes are authentic...but just not "authorized" by reebok

been there, done that. its just not worth it. too much complaints and headache, 70 percent of the items bought are defective in my experience, unless you buy brand new overstock, which is almost impossible to have decent profit margin when all the fees are calculated.

Re #60: Right. They fell off the back of a truck. That's what I said. <wink>

I'm pretty happy with dhgate so far besides my iphones being held in customs for 2 weeks and inspected. So far everything seemed to be pretty good quality you just need to look for sellers with at least 100 feedback and scan through the pages and read the feed back. I get the highest profit margins from dhgate even with dropshipping. I actually love dhgate I've got gold VIP status too:D

CECT phones, Chinas leading cell phone manufacturer has alot of knock off(not counterfeit) iphones without the apple or iphone label.

I recommend you guys NOT to purchase cect phones. They are poor quality and 50% of my items I received came defective. One of them the touch screen would not work and the other one it would not change the page. I had to sell them on craigslist or kijiji since I did not want customers doing charge backs.

what does gold vip status do?

dhgate has 3 tiers of membership (like powersellers on ebay)
Much depends on the volume of sales as to what status you get. :peace:

DHgate - China Wholesale Marketplace - Help - Overview

does dhgate charge buyers? i bought something on dhgate, and i looked at my charges and there was another charge for 8.95

Finding a legitimate and reliable supplier is really a daunting task and as far as salehoo is concerned, I am not convinced with the service too. So I think you must take dailytrader.com into consideration. My experience is going well with them as they provide rock-bottom prices along with special and occasional offers.

I agree with #63. Dhgate works pretty good, just read the feedback. I have had 600% profit margin with my items from Dhgate and very little refunds.

How are you doing payment with dhgate?
Western Union or Credit card?

I have used western union or paypal for dhgate with no problems. I have also used paypal for tradetang as well. If you do credit card, it must be "verified" meaning your billing and shipping address in dhgate must match the billing information for your credit card.

its really hard to find a trustworthy supplier, i agree. you have to ask lots of questions and research the company.
there is a forum that will help verify a chinese company. Report scammers,Report fraud,Check China Supplier's background (free service)

if you still need a supplier i have a good agent. he can find you what you want specifically. he allows for low quantity and mixed orders. and good with shipping, knows ins and outs of the overseas customs, etc. it only takes him a few days to get the products to him and then they are out the door to you. you're looking at only 7-10 days to arrive, sometimes less.
send me a pm if you want his contact info.

it is very important to find a good and right supplier,it will make your business grow up faster if you find good one.So you had better spend some time to search for .and we accept paypal,safe for you to deal with,just contact us if you are interested,we do wholesale and dropshipping.For the products,you can check our website.Thanks

thats not how it works
 

The factories are given a quota, say x amount of goods of a particular brand, the factory over produce the item, and offer it to the other factories , who are able to copy / manufacture it themselves.

What you have to realise is that the china factories earn peanuts from the western companies. So they over produce < There is always going to be a margine for error, cover the cost of the "faulty goods". >

That is how the money is made, by passing on the information to the other factories, otherwise they would be well and truely screwed.

of course there are other ways for factories to get this information, from the people they trade with, buyers are happy to send the supplier good from the west in order for it to manufactured, this way no middle man, and there is a sense of obligation between the buyer and seller as the former has given, with his own money, items for the factory to produce.

The most important thing is quantity , the more you order the less the price, you can get it down to a very minimum.
The problems you face and encounter more than any other is getting them into the west without paying charges, which obviously increases the cost significantly.
I can get branded items at $6 delivered, but i buy in bulk. i pay £4 for a item i can easily sell for $20-30 + , if i sell 200 of this item , which is very easy to do< ebay permitting> thats a £5200 profit! And thats just at the lower end of 20-30 some of my items sell at 50-100 but the cost is slightly higher for those items.
Ebay permitted i could easily take £250,000 a year with ease, if not more, the infistructure is in place to do it, however Ebay is so unpredictable, i cannot afford the outlay

please send me pm,thanks

sent you pm

Try Ebay for wholesale .. been doing it for years now.

Today I just purchased 5 computer related products at a really good price! The seller was from china and he gave me a good deal, and he was shipping the item by UPS! Thanks gibsonton, looks like your idea worked, I never thought about this before until you mentioned it to the forum.

People overlook the obvious as i did -dont pay money for whoelsale list like i did , just type in the keywods .. wholesale lot .. you will be surprised what you can find ..good luck

Just want to let everyone know..send a ton of email to bunch of sellers. I emailed over 50 sellers and finally found a cheap good supplier!