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selling ⊗⊗⊗⊗ on ebay - illegal under all circumstances
 

how do you can sell ⊗⊗⊗⊗ stuff on ebay without being suspended for just listing your item?
is your competitor can tell Ebay that you are selling ⊗⊗⊗⊗ to just get your account suspended?

never say it is ⊗⊗⊗⊗ in auction....be very vague. just list it with a really cheap price and don't answer questions when asked. say actual item is pictured & all sales are final.

amc

this place is not created to support unhonest sellers.
If you sell ⊗⊗⊗⊗ you will have to deal with it on your own

yep, that seems to be how it's done. i have heard that whether or not you offer international shipping might cause a problem too

I'm confused. I thought most people were here to break Ebay policy and get back on Ebay. Is that not being dishonest? So few as you can take such a moral high road.

There is a difference between breaking policy and breaking the law. There's a line. Fuzzy as it may be, it's still there.

I've gone on the record before saying that anyone expecting to buy an LV bag, Rolex watch, etc for 5-10 cents on the dollar (or less) is one of the following:
1)knows it is priced so low because it is a knockoff
2)thinks it might be real, but is stolen
3)is taking advantage of a naive seller who doesn't know what it is really worth

In any event they are just as dishonest!
"you can't cheat an honest man" W.C. Fields

I agree. We're in a shade of grey when it comes to eBay. But I for one have never scammed a buyer or attempted to sale a faulty item. EBay's rules are such that it's sometimes hard for the common seller to follow without breaking. Thus we're here.

lmao ebaykilla, you sound like you're experienced ;) . And I don't care, if you don't want to help him don't answer. But don't disrespect.

No matter how you go about it, enjoy it while it lasts because no matter what you do you will get VeRO'd

Depends on what you sell and where it comes from.

yep, most likely. That's why you should probably give up selling items that'll
"stand out". Especially when you're not legit in the first place :). But if you insist on trying it, then listen to ebaykilla.

Ahhhh! Then it is the degrees of dishonesty. Whether a black lie or a little white lie, the person is still a liar. I'm just not sure that because most of us are little white liars we should have the right to look down on someone else. LOL!

exactly :)

No it's about breaking the law. Not about lies. Ebay has policy. Ebay doesn't have laws. Ebay conforms to laws as does everyone else. You don't go to jail for breaking an ebay policy. There is a big difference between.

To clarify: If you knowingly sell something that you acquired through dishonest means directly or indirectly, you have broken a law. Policy is not law. It can be, but it isn't by default. Laws are almost always policy, written or not.

wow. you've got a point there. Touché, I stand corrected. But I still think we shouldn't just shove him off when he asks a question like that. We're all in the same boat...basically.

:)

Yep, leaky holes and all :p

some people like buying ⊗⊗⊗⊗ stuff. who am i to judge.....it's not my thing though. in my city, some people have no issues buying ⊗⊗⊗⊗ stuff as long as it looks good.

I am very pleased with my $35 Rolex Daytona automatic...the same watch that I have had friends thrilled to be able toget ahold of for $150...nice little profit and they are happy...do you really think they would've spent $5000+ on a real one? Who is hurting Rolex's sales by doing something like this?

As for people liking to buy ⊗⊗⊗⊗ stuff, how else can you explain someone spending $20,000 for a kit that will make a 110mph tod end speed car look like a Lambourgini? For $20,000 you can buy a zillion cars right out of the showroom that are faster that the Lambo was 15 years ago.

selling ⊗⊗⊗⊗ is really not worth it, unless that's all you plan to do. a lot of work opening and closing various ebay/paypal accounts. better to just try to find a legit item to sell.

i agree depends on where you get your ⊗⊗⊗⊗ if you know what to look for and how to present them. and what kind of ⊗⊗⊗⊗ you are selling. now if sold ⊗⊗⊗⊗ it sure wouldnt be watches cause i know nothing about them and the good ones are over 1k on ebay so i dont want to get someone pissed off at me for selling a 200 dollar replica for 1k yikes... now things i know what im talking about and have expperiance with maybe, LOL

your right....I couldn't have said it better myself....NO MATTER WHAT U DO "REAL" OR "⊗⊗⊗⊗" you will be verod at some point and time....I know powersellers who got kicked off ebay for items ebay says they think is ⊗⊗⊗⊗.

usually when real stuff gets veroed its from a competitor reporting it as a ⊗⊗⊗⊗ they get so many they just take it down without investigation.

Just to clarify on this: The RIGHTS OWNER has to contact eBay directly for VeRo to take it down. It can't just be another seller who's selling the same thing. So if Tiffany or Nike or whoever contacts us to remove 250 auctions, we'll remove them assuming those auctions are all selling Tiffany or Nike products. VeRo doesn't care if it's ⊗⊗⊗⊗ or not, it'll remove any listing which a rights owner asks to be removed.

Infringement however is what deals with ⊗⊗⊗⊗ products, and no one has to contact them, although they can. So another seller selling the same thing as you can email Inf. and give them some auction numbers. The Inf guys will review the listings and if they determine it's ⊗⊗⊗⊗ (regardless what the guy emailing in says), they'll remove it/warn/suspend. Inf have their own guidelines/experts to determine whether an auction is selling a ⊗⊗⊗⊗ item or not, and it doesn't matter what other people say.

The RIGHTS OWNER has to contact eBay directly for VeRo to take it down. It can't just be another seller who's selling the same thing. So if Tiffany or Nike or whoever contacts us to remove 250 auctions, we'll remove them assuming those auctions are all selling Tiffany or Nike products. VeRo doesn't care if it's ⊗⊗⊗⊗ or not, it'll remove any listing which a rights owner asks to be removed.


If this is the case and the right's owner can do that, why don't they just do all of them, all the time, day and night untill there are no more brand names listed. If your criteria for VeRO is to shut down apon request, what stops them from requested that they all be shut down?

You'd have to ask the rights owners :) They have to provide VeRo with a list of auctions they wish to be removed. I guess they don't have the resources to dedicate to that kind of operation day/night week after week? Just a guess.

thats a good story but eather ebay or vero dont know what they are doing because a ton of real stuff gets removed all the time. its because people write to the rights owner and they just assume its a ⊗⊗⊗⊗ and request it be removed. im sure if its even suspected it gets removed because the rights owner dosent want to take a chance a ⊗⊗⊗⊗ will be sold because they didnt have a reported item removed. they dont investigate they simply remove. vero or ebay or the man in the moon.

I don't think you quite understood what I was saying in my earlier post.

VeRo will remove *any* listing which a rights owner complains about (as long as that listing is owned by the rights owner. So if Nike asks for a listing to be removed, and that listing is for a pair of Nike shoes, eBay HAS to, by law, remove it.

_It doesn't matter if it's ⊗⊗⊗⊗ or not_ I want to emphasize that. It could be a real pair of Nike's, it could be a ⊗⊗⊗⊗, but if it's carrying the Nike brand and Nike wants it removed, VeRo will take it down.

The only thing VeRo checks for is that the listing that's being requested to be removed IS actually owned by the rights owner, ie Nike can't ask for a pair of Adidas shoes to be removed.

Authenticity doesn't matter.

Well dang!
 

If the right's owner doesn't care if it's authentic and Ebay doesn't care if it's authentic, they just automatically shut down an auction apon request, the only victim is the seller, if the seller is selling authentic pair of Nikes. You say that by law, Ebay has to remove the listing. Why is that is there is a possibility that the item is authentic? Doesn't the seller have the right to sell a pair of authentic Nikes? What law is this that says, if Nike says no, ebay caves and removes the listing? I don't want to say, "This sh!t ain't fair, because a lot of things in life aren't fair, but that seems....communistic, for lack of a better word.

Regarding the Vero program, what steps does ebay take to verify the identity of potential Vero members and moreover, the validity of their claims of "ownership?"

Moreover, how conservative are the rules regarding application for being a "rights owner"? If they involve tons of paperwork, fees, licenses and verification...that's one thing. But anyone can say they represent "so and so incorporated" under a separate user name for the express purpose of cutting down competitors so they will own a monopoly.

PRECISELY- Some people like to argue for the sake of arguing. Especially on the innernet :rolleyes:

I know this happens. When you get veroed and it's a freaking web-based email account as the contact info you know you and ebay are being duped! I had first hand experience with this about 5 years ago. All you get is an EMAIL ADDRESS- No real-world contact info for you accuser whatsoever!!!

Maybe they are a little more careful about who let allow into the vero program, now? "Maybe."

But take a look at the list of Vero members and you can TELL some of them are ⊗⊗⊗⊗. Or, just self-appointed experts in a field that ebay accepts at face value and who ARE NOT CORPORATE REPRESENTATIVES, OR RETAINED BY THE TRADEMARK OWNERS FOR THE PURPOSE OF DEFENDING THE TRADEMARK WHATSOEVER!!

Especially the Beanie baby people from a long time ago. So-called "experts" were just glorified power sellers knocking down "unauthorized auctions" ahem- COMPETITION!!

TELL ME- HOW ETHICAL IS IT TO HAVE "AUTHENTICATORS"/VERO MEMBERS WHO ALSO SELL ON EBAY???? JUST A TAD BIT OF A CONFLICT OF INTEREST???? SO MUCH FOR A FREE & FAIR MARKETPLACE!!!

Sorry for shouting THIS is one of MANY contradictions that gets under my skin about ebay. SHOW ME that a vero member IS EMPLOYED by XYZ brands OR they are actually ATTORNEYS for XYZ brands. Ebay can't because they don't even know.

if your going to try to avoid this vero junk you have to be slick with the auction discrition and the way you take the pics...dont mention the authenticity just say its brand new, and have a satifaction guranteed...if there not satified they can return...works good and never had complaints...unless your dealing with major ⊗⊗⊗⊗ stuff like gucci and coach...its very hard to move thoose on ebay without getting busted or auctions removed:eek:

I really think Nike and all other brand names have a certain amount of listings they have to remove in a week or 2 weeks or month or whatever...I don't think it has nothing at all to do with copywrite infringment or anything. Whoever has that job on ebay VERO program more then likely has a certain quote to meet within a certain time frame for the company. That's why they have the job, also lets just say everyone on ebay sold authentic goods and could verify they were authentic before posting then there would be know reason for VERO. But I bet they still would pull listings...what I found out is this, on each account u have a certain time frame with selling knockoffs before u get VEROD but it will happen im 99.9% positive.

Jack, it does involve paperwork and verification. No fees though I believe.

How eBay Protects Intellectual Property (VeRO) more information about the VeRo program.

and eBay Help : Community Standards : Policies and conduct : eBay's Verified Rights Owner (VeRO) About Me Pages About Me pages of VeRo members.

Again, eBay doesn't care about authenticity when contacted by a VeRo member. Nor do they care how many/few listings are removed. There is no stupid quota. If a VeRo members wants listings removed which infringe on their trademark, then they're getting removed. Real or ⊗⊗⊗⊗.

Ok, right up my alley.

Rules do not apply for everyone the same on ebay.

Lady sells 1500 ⊗⊗⊗⊗. kockoffs, repos, junk on ebay PER MONTH and calls them real, old, one of a kind, rare, makes up stories of how she found this item none of us could match and Ebay knows about it, knows about her and NEVER been kicked off ebay in 10 years.

Ex: She tells the buyers it was found in an attic in an old house that has not been lived in for 50 years, rare, priceless and gets 800.00 for it, then sells another one a week later for 800.00 again.

Now, I am totaly blown away by something.

I bought an item at a local thrift store, put in my ad I dont think it was authentic, knew it couldnt be and listed it as-is, all sales final, your the buyer dont bid if you think it is old, because I dont think it is.
What happen, it sold for stupid money, the buyer got the item and had the balls to email me and tell me it was REAL and he just ripped me off bigtime.

He turned around re listed it, got nothing for it and then emailed me back to tell me I sold him a ⊗⊗⊗⊗ piece of crap.

Buyers have a responsibility, even more then sellers, you are the experts if your buying something, why the hell bid if you dont know what it is?

Has anyon ever had a buyer email you and tell you I want to pay you more money for this great item, I dont think so.

Buyers are out to RIP YOU OFF if they can. They will bid it to hell and back and then get it and find its not what they thought and expect you to return the money.

Believe me, I had more rip off buyers thinking they was going to pull one over on me then you would ever believe.

I never buy a damn thing unless I know for certain what it is, ask questions in detail and hook the seller to tell me more before I bid on anything. I know the item the seller may not, it is my job to ask.

All sales on ebay should be 100% as is like any other auction.

I have caught buyers of my items buy it, relist it, then tell me they are not happy with it and want a return because I didnt call it what it was. Paypal and Ebay will take the buyers side every time.
He relisted this item and it didnt sell and expected me to pay him.
Hell NO dude, eat it ! I am not your local investment bank.

All sales are final.... auctions are ALL as-is everywhere but on freak bay and buyers need to stop ripping off good sellers.

⊗⊗⊗⊗ or not, if you bid you bought it. If you intentions was to rip the sellers off then why cant sellers intentions be the same.

Sell it............ if they dont like it do damn bad... I have had enough of the buyers getting and item and returning something different then I sent them.

Saw a listing for an obviously ⊗⊗⊗⊗ watch. The guy said he drove a bus in Brooklynn and it was left on the bus. How many people riding a bus wear a $7500 watch? If he was a bus driver doesn't he have a responsibility to turn in lost property?
Same watch, same story, same picture was listed a week later after feedback was left for the first one...obviously ⊗⊗⊗⊗!

is that how it works in canada? :rolleyes:

This actually does sound pretty close to what I've noticed and heard in my past experience, and I don't think it's just Canada.