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| Yesgeneral | 07-05-2023 03:12 AM |
UK eBay Stealth Account Upgraded to Business
Hi,
I have some old private stealth eBay accounts and all of them work well. But in this week, eBay sent me a message and required me to upgrade my account to business in 21 days,or the accounts will be restricted. So what should I do?
Thanks! |
Re: UK eBay Stealth Account Upgraded to Business
Upgrade to business or it's selling privileges will stop. There is no alternative. |
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And get backup accounts going OP - are all your accounts affected by this request to upgrade? |
| degsey69 | 07-05-2023 06:28 PM |
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Yes upgrade to business account you have nothing to lose. |
| Yesgeneral | 07-06-2023 02:19 AM |
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Quote:
Originally Posted by degsey69
(Post 1220997)
Yes upgrade to business account you have nothing to lose.
| Yes,but it requires more information. But my accounts are stealth ones. |
| james_112233 | 07-06-2023 02:25 AM |
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Change to real details. Did that myself and still running sweet. If youre managing the account well and have no issues they won't suspend for pre-managed payment violations from what I can see. Plus too many competitors to eBay now they don't want to lose decent sellers. |
Re: UK eBay Stealth Account Upgraded to Business
Quote:
Originally Posted by james_112233
(Post 1221018)
Change to real details. Did that myself and still running sweet. If youre managing the account well and have no issues they won't suspend for pre-managed payment violations from what I can see. Plus too many competitors to eBay now they don't want to lose decent sellers.
| Not going to work in this case, they have absolutely no option buy to comply. |
| stammer | 07-06-2023 02:47 AM |
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you already submited id for your stealth? |
Re: UK eBay Stealth Account Upgraded to Business
what did you decide to do yesgeneral? |
| murdered_by_ebay | 07-06-2023 07:57 AM |
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you can upgrade to sole trader , it is almost the same as private seller |
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Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay
(Post 1221058)
you can upgrade to sole trader , it is almost the same as private seller
| Hardly 'almost the same as a private seller', How would they get, for example, a UTR or US equivalent, particularly if they're based abroad as their flag suggests. |
| Yesgeneral | 07-06-2023 09:16 PM |
Re: UK eBay Stealth Account Upgraded to Business
Quote:
Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay
(Post 1221058)
you can upgrade to sole trader , it is almost the same as private seller
| Thanks for your advise. Will I need to change the information with my real ID and apply for a sole trader? But I have several steal accounts and all are waiting for upgrading. |
| Yesgeneral | 07-06-2023 09:19 PM |
Re: UK eBay Stealth Account Upgraded to Business
Quote:
Originally Posted by stammer
(Post 1221023)
you already submited id for your stealth?
| I am still searching for a best way to deal with it as I have several stealth accounts. |
| murdered_by_ebay | 07-06-2023 09:34 PM |
Re: UK eBay Stealth Account Upgraded to Business
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank
(Post 1221060)
Hardly 'almost the same as a private seller', How would they get, for example, a UTR or US equivalent, particularly if they're based abroad as their flag suggests.
| in the UK they do not ask for much additional info |
| JamesNorth101 | 07-07-2023 02:01 AM |
Re: UK eBay Stealth Account Upgraded to Business
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yesgeneral
(Post 1220937)
Hi,
I have some old private stealth eBay accounts and all of them work well. But in this week, eBay sent me a message and required me to upgrade my account to business in 21 days,or the accounts will be restricted. So what should I do?
Thanks!
| Upgrade it to a sole trader business account
Best option here or the account will just get limited |
Re: UK eBay Stealth Account Upgraded to Business
Quote:
Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay
(Post 1221119)
in the UK they do not ask for much additional info
| But crucially the do ask for info which is checked, like UTR.
Then there's the change in account dynamics, mandatory returns, addresses displayed etc. It's not as simply as you're implying to convert a private seller account t a stealth account and you aught to know that.
On the assumption they are based abroad and managed to get UTR (Limited Company option is out according to your earlier posts) then they will need to register for VAT. AFAIK bogus UTR's wont work.
IMO, a foreigner converting a UK private account to a stealth business ain't happening. My plan would be to start more private ones if that's worked before. |
| Nimble | 07-09-2023 03:02 AM |
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In the UK they don't require any further info to convert to sole trader business account, you just have to select returns accepted that's it.
For Limited company, they will ask for the details of the company address, telephone number and company number. They will also need director details, name, d.o.b, address telephone (can be same as company) and that's it, they don't need a UTR or VAT number or any other info. |
Re: UK eBay Stealth Account Upgraded to Business
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nimble
(Post 1221295)
In the UK they don't require any further info to convert to sole trader business account, you just have to select returns accepted that's it.
| They will require a UTR and unless OP has a UK address they will also be expected to register for VAT. |
| Nimble | 07-09-2023 07:26 AM |
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Originally Posted by Hank
(Post 1221298)
They will require a UTR and unless OP has a UK address they will also be expected to register for VAT.
| You couldn't be more wrong, ebay UK does not require a UTR for business account nor does it require a VAT number until you hit the VAT threshold, the company registration address needs to be UK as that's the only address they try to verify, I know this because I've called in to their trust and safety team multiple times. |
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Originally Posted by Nimble
(Post 1221315)
You couldn't be more wrong, ebay UK does not require a UTR for business account nor does it require a VAT number until you hit the VAT threshold, the company registration address needs to be UK as that's the only address they try to verify, I know this because I've called in to their trust and safety team multiple times.
| Assuming OP is a NETP, it is now a legal requirement and ebay have confirmed they will enforce it. Amazon have been doing so for years now.
It will be an offence for all selling platforms not to do so from next year. |
| Nimble | 07-09-2023 09:05 AM |
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank
(Post 1221317)
Assuming OP is a NETP, it is now a legal requirement and ebay have confirmed they will enforce it. Amazon have been doing so for years now.
It will be an offence for all selling platforms not to do so from next year.
| Register a company to the accountants office, job done, and now have an established address in the UK, currently ebay don't ask for UTR or VAT reference number for business accounts that is fact.
OP is based in Hong Kong from what I gather, so might be different requirements for His respective country's ebay. |
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Originally Posted by Nimble
(Post 1221333)
Register a company to the accountants office, job done, and now have an established address in the UK, currently ebay don't ask for UTR or VAT reference number for business accounts that is fact.
| Nobody is doubting that, I've done it myself. But as I said earlier it is set to change, particularly for non-citizens, when the 'voluntary' arrangement Amazon were forced to adopt become legislation. I suspect this simplistic approach might not work for OP. It is a fact that to trade in the UK NETP's require a UTR and must be VAT registered and ebay will be expected to enforce that very soon if they're not already doing so. Indeed, murdered_by_ebay had said on here that those trying to do it by the seemingly legal route of Limited Companies are auto-banned by ebay. Seems they simply don't want to deal with non-residents trading from fabricated/accommodation addresses. Quote:
Originally Posted by Nimble
(Post 1221333)
OP is based in Hong Kong from what I gather, so might be different requirements for His respective country's ebay.
| He's not selling on his home ebay, they've already said it's ebay UK.
In any event, his question was what to do, the answer is they have no option but to comply.
Only time will tell how it plays out for them and how much manipulation of addresses etc will be required to keep the account(s) alive.
It's going to get much more awkward for residents to stealth soon, never mind non-residents. Time to start looking forwards as some of us are already doing, not backward to dated policies. |
| james_112233 | 07-09-2023 02:31 PM |
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So every account will be required to provide a UTR from next year ? |
Re: UK eBay Stealth Account Upgraded to Business
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Originally Posted by james_112233
(Post 1221353)
So every account will be required to provide a UTR from next year ?
| I do not know for UK resident businesses, I was trying to keep it relevant to OP. Clearly it doesn't apply to private sellers.
Someone put up a link some time ago which implied it would become a requirement given the change in legislation and it's been mentioned on Auctionbytes blog too. Maybe it would only apply to new businesses, older account could be grandfathered in, maybe they'll do it in stages like Amazon did, maybe they'll do nothing at all. Time will tell I guess.
One thing to recognise is Amazon have been doing it for years now following their run-in with HMRC, it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone if ebay decided they now needed to follow suit.
And lets not forget we're not far away now from all selling platforms (Amazon already do it) sending sales figures to HMRC, business and private sellers alike, whether we like it or not. (barring a relatively small genuine occasional seller exemption)
I'm getting too long in the tooth now and I'm not comfortable with the idea of HMRC knocking on my door for undeclared income. If I was using, for example, a friends info or, got forbid, someones details I'd stolen, then I'd be trying to legitimise that account or ditching it before the new legislation kicks in. Some will carry on regardless and use the 'safety in numbers' argument. Not me. |
| murdered_by_ebay | 07-09-2023 03:35 PM |
Re: UK eBay Stealth Account Upgraded to Business
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank
(Post 1221142)
But crucially the do ask for info which is checked, like UTR.
Then there's the change in account dynamics, mandatory returns, addresses displayed etc. It's not as simply as you're implying to convert a private seller account t a stealth account and you aught to know that.
On the assumption they are based abroad and managed to get UTR (Limited Company option is out according to your earlier posts) then they will need to register for VAT. AFAIK bogus UTR's wont work.
IMO, a foreigner converting a UK private account to a stealth business ain't happening. My plan would be to start more private ones if that's worked before.
| currently ebay do not ask to add UTR and I am 100% certain that if at some point they start asking to do so they will provide an option to change status back to private
this may not help everyone but there are lots of people who have a business account and are not a business |
| murdered_by_ebay | 07-09-2023 03:41 PM |
Re: UK eBay Stealth Account Upgraded to Business
Quote:
Originally Posted by james_112233
(Post 1221353)
So every account will be required to provide a UTR from next year ?
| it is unknown , it is however certain that ebay have been providing sales details to various tax authorities for years
I am not sure if they even need additional details for this because after MP implementation most people have already been identified |
Re: UK eBay Stealth Account Upgraded to Business
Quote:
Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay
(Post 1221361)
currently ebay do not ask to add UTR and I am 100% certain that if at some point they start asking to do so they will provide an option to change status back to private
this may not help everyone but there are lots of people who have a business account and are not a business
| Well there you go, I'm 100% certain they wouldn't. :)
Nobody would lose their buying privileges, as is the case at the moment when they enforce business upgrades, they'd simply say 'if you want to continue to sell on this account we need so additional information' in the same way Amazon did.
Lets not forget 99.999% of folk are entitled to a separate private account if they wish, no need to start messing with existing account conversions. |
| murdered_by_ebay | 07-09-2023 04:08 PM |
Re: UK eBay Stealth Account Upgraded to Business
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Originally Posted by Hank
(Post 1221363)
Well there you go, I'm 100% certain they wouldn't. :)
Nobody would lose their buying privileges, as is the case at the moment when they enforce business upgrades, they'd simply say 'if you want to continue to sell on this account we need so additional information' in the same way Amazon did.
Lets not forget 99.999% of folk are entitled to a separate private account if they wish, no need to start messing with existing account conversions.
| this problem may only arise if the new rules should make UTR mandatory , you know it is not right now? what amazon have been doing is voluntary , also many of their other limits are voluntary as well , for that reason ebay have not been asking to add and it is unlikely they will unless it should be required by law |
Re: UK eBay Stealth Account Upgraded to Business
Quote:
Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay
(Post 1221364)
this problem may only arise if the new rules should make UTR mandatory , you know it is not right now? what amazon have been doing is voluntary , also many of their other limits are voluntary as well , for that reason ebay have not been asking to add and it is unlikely they will unless it should be required by law
| Agreed. It's all very subjective and ebay seem to have avoided the attention which led to Amazon 'voluntary' cooperation.
It would be naïve of us not to assume that if the changes due for implementation weren't bad enough that there's not more to come.
It's all about control of us low level drones and worker bees, watch this space..... |
| degsey69 | 07-09-2023 06:42 PM |
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It seems that the UK will follow America’s lead all sales over $100 total gets reported to the IRS by a 1099 against your SSN and then you can wrestle with the IRS if they are personal sales or not, that’s why Biden wanted another 87,000 IRS agents so they could screw the little people for more tax. |
| Emo12 | 07-23-2023 09:54 AM |
Re: UK eBay Stealth Account Upgraded to Business
Just upgrade as sole trader they don’t ask for any info, just make sure you keep turn over below 80k because then they will ask for VAT number, one of the reasons I use multiple accounts |
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