How much sales can personal eBay reach before being hit by MC011?

[ahmaed]

Originally Posted by solefoodbk

I took an aged account from 2018 that had history buying, and started selling Sept, by December I did $14k. I guess thinking back I shouldn't have, but now I know if I stay below $12,500 my account is smooth sailing since I already tested those waters.

We have different factors, because every item has a completely different risk level with eBay.

The 3-month mark is most critical, then 6 months, I think after this a well managed account getting random MC011 is pretty low.

so the key here is to upgrade gradually for 3 months then 6 months; then I can make sales with no limits.

I am wondering what the benefit of account limits is if they dont allow to use all the limits they offer!

[murdered_by_ebay]

the official limits are not related to bot activity and risk management

it is essentially the same system they have on paypal , people get suspended out of thin air for selling too much. it does not take any complaints or violations and paypal have limits as well but these limits do not matter

the key to understanding this system is the realization that ebay do not want anybody to know how they really work , the actual rules that are enforced so that people can not learn how to circumvent that

for example , if they stated officially that limits do not matter and you just have to increase the turnover by 15%-20% per month to avoid suspension then people would be doing exactly that and it would be much more difficult to suspend them because there are just too many accounts whose turnover does not rise rapidly so that the ones circumventing that would be hiding in an ocean of other accounts and would be much more difficult to spot

[ahmaed]

Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay

the official limits are not related to bot activity and risk management

it is essentially the same system they have on paypal , people get suspended out of thin air for selling too much. it does not take any complaints or violations and paypal have limits as well but these limits do not matter

the key to understanding this system is the realization that ebay do not want anybody to know how they really work , the actual rules that are enforced so that people can not learn how to circumvent that

for example , if they stated officially that limits do not matter and you just have to increase the turnover by 15%-20% per month to avoid suspension then people would be doing exactly that and it would be much more difficult to suspend them because there are just too many accounts whose turnover does not rise rapidly so that the ones circumventing that would be hiding in an ocean of other accounts and would be much more difficult to spot

Great information, so if I raise my sales by 15-20% each month, I can sell with no limits

[SaiJin]

Originally Posted by ahmaed

No, the account is one year old, but the sale is $10,000 happened in 3-month period

It's not unheard of at $3k/mo

[ahmaed]

Originally Posted by SaiJin

It's not unheard of at $3k/mo

So, it's okay?

[SaiJin]

Originally Posted by ahmaed

So, it's okay?

I'd prefer to do 1k/mo honestly. but 3k isn't unheard of.

[solefoodbk]

Originally Posted by ahmaed

so the key here is to upgrade gradually for 3 months then 6 months; then I can make sales with no limits.

I am wondering what the benefit of account limits is if they dont allow to use all the limits they offer!

There is no benefit other than it reduces the calls they probably got from people asking for limit increases.

They are nice to have in a way because before you'd start with at best usually 100/5000 limits, but that never meant anything to me. I get my sales by listing 100k+ inventory, and making about 20% income off that. Its a numbers game, so its not like everything I list will sell that month.

The problems people mistake is seeing that high limit thinking you can turn whatever amount of sales you wish, which is not the case.

[murdered_by_ebay]

Originally Posted by ahmaed

Great information, so if I raise my sales by 15-20% each month, I can sell with no limits

15%-20% turnover growth per month is essentially your limit , not the bogus one provided by ebay but the real one

[andro0_11]

From my experience it seems like quite random. For example, two different accounts, that was used for years doing thousands/month. One of them were even pushing higher and never got MC011. The other had a week in which were doing around 800-1000/day for couple days and got served MC011 couple days after it popped in sales. I've know people who got MC011 that were selling low priced items and doing less than 1k in turnover a month.

[eBaysnightmare]

Originally Posted by andro0_11

From my experience it seems like quite random. For example, two different accounts, that was used for years doing thousands/month. One of them were even pushing higher and never got MC011. The other had a week in which were doing around 800-1000/day for couple days and got served MC011 couple days after it popped in sales. I've know people who got MC011 that were selling low priced items and doing less than 1k in turnover a month.

Yeah true brother. It doesn’t matter if account is super aged with lots of sales or rarely new with few sales. Any suspension code can trigger at any point.

[murdered_by_ebay]

you can do some calculations , calculate average turnover for the last 6 months and call it 100% , then calculate how it was changing

I am sure in all cases you will see massive jumps that triggered the bots

it is a major problem on ebay , although they have billions of dollars they do not want to run proper customer support. bots restrict you and when you appeal they just confirm the decision of the bots

[ahmaed]

Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay

you can do some calculations , calculate average turnover for the last 6 months and call it 100% , then calculate how it was changing

I am sure in all cases you will see massive jumps that triggered the bots

it is a major problem on ebay , although they have billions of dollars they do not want to run proper customer support. bots restrict you and when you appeal they just confirm the decision of the bots ., only exception are accounts that run loads of cheap items but if it is an account that has high turnover and a few sales it is as good as dead

Why always it is risky to have high turnover?

[murdered_by_ebay]

ebay use primitive calculations , you can increase your turnover but about 10%-20% per month

if you stop selling for a while , like for 6-12 and more months you have to start low again

they don't care if you have been customer for 20 years , you stopped selling for a couple of years and you just relist items that are stored with a third party app for example in order to sell like you did before and they kick you out

if you want to do 10K per month you start at 500-1000 and increase by 20% every month

after a 2-3 years of such work you could safely do 20/30/40K in abscence of other problems but you should not stop selling , it must be continuous

it is another question though if it would not be better to have 10 doing 4 , instead of 1 doing 40

ebay behave like a mafia racket , you have to pay - no one cares how the business is running. you stop paying the mafia will punish you but this punishment is not obvious to everyone because it is not imposed upon people after they stopped selling but after they restarted selling

[SaiJin]

Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay

ebay use primitive calculations , you can increase your turnover but about 10%-20% per month

if you stop selling for a while , like for 6-12 and more months you have to start low again

they don't care if you have been customer for 20 years , you stopped selling for a couple of years and you just relist items that are stored with a third party app for example in order to sell like you did before and they kick you out

if you want to do 10K per month you start at 500-1000 and increase by 20% every month

after a 2-3 years of such work you could safely do 20/30/40K in abscence of other problems but you should not stop selling , it must be continuous

it is another question though if it would not be better to have 10 doing 4 , instead of 1 doing 40

ebay behave like a mafia racket , you have to pay - no one cares how the business is running. you stop paying the mafia will punish you but this punishment is not obvious to everyone because it is not imposed upon people after they stopped selling but after they restarted selling

Eh? maybe that's just you.

reused a shelved account from 2 years ago, went right back in and I was just fine.

[murdered_by_ebay]

maybe you were fine , I know quite a few people who are not fine , not fine at all

[rsot]

Originally Posted by SaiJin

Eh? maybe that's just you.

reused a shelved account from 2 years ago, went right back in and I was just fine.

What kind of activity did you do to restart it? For example, how many listings you considered safely?

[andro0_11]

Originally Posted by SaiJin

Eh? maybe that's just you.

reused a shelved account from 2 years ago, went right back in and I was just fine.

I also had a discussion with someone, literally couple hours ago about MC011 restrictions. And he told me about using one of his old accounts (unused after MP was added). Basically signed for MP end of last year (October). Right now doing almost close to 10K monthly turnover - haven't received any MC011s or additional asks from Ebay. Which also adds to that randomness I've personally experienced, what you pointed and other have shared

[0nelove]

I grossed 80k for several years on my personal acc , I don't think business acc matters
My selling limits are basically unreachable 😂

[matthewhon112]

Originally Posted by ahmaed

two accounts hit by MC011 after reaching $10k!

Hey was wondering how old were u accounts when u got hit after reaching $10k

[rsot]

Originally Posted by 0nelove

I grossed 80k for several years on my personal acc , I don't think business acc matters
My selling limits are basically unreachable 😂

Nice experience and contribution -

[dano]

Originally Posted by ahmaed

How much sales can personal eBay reach before being hit by MC011?

If the account is not new, it's not a matter of number or amount of sales. It's about WHAT YOU ARE SELLING - AND HOW and how many disputes and Negative feedbacks say phake or non received you get in a given timeframe

If an account is new, yes, can be total money amount and volume of sells, but it is also wired to customer satisfaction. Usually if you don't get enough feedback or you have some item not signed as delivered, it can be triggered

MC011 arrive immediately after a disputer or negative feedback, is wired to that. Is wired to performance and legit items

[solefoodbk]

Originally Posted by eBaysnightmare

Yeah true brother. It doesn’t matter if account is super aged with lots of sales or rarely new with few sales. Any suspension code can trigger at any point.

What you would be implying I think is potentially an eBay agent flagging your account. Not all MC011 are done by bots, especially if you make a lot of sales.