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Another national insurance question
 

So 13th May is the cut off to upload NI number.

Non stealth account. (well originally it was stealth but I converted it into my name when MP arrived)

I don't pay tax and I will avoid paying at all costs. I scrape by in life, my earnings pay my bills, just about.

So, are we entering our real NI number or accidentally mistyping it?

Whats the general consensus

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Once you enter your NI number, you give the HMRC them access to knowing exactly who you are. Sure, people will waffle on that they can 'find' you from your DOB and bank account, but the reality is, they won't be doing that, not for a while at least. If and when that may change is anyones guess.

Mistypes work fine for now, no one knows the longevity of this. I am sure if the time comes when they get checked there will be a single opportunity to rectify any mistakes.

Go fully legit, pay your dues.

Don't, then take your chances.

It really is that simple.

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There is absolutely no way I'm funding any more of my money to this corrupted government. I would rather sit in jail for a couple of years. No... Really!

I'll take the risk. If they come knocking, they'll be a new joker born, and I'll turn to crime to pay off the big bill they'll slap on my head. But, it's OK, doing crime pays well these days in the UK.

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It's unlikely they will come knocking in my opinion...tbh, I doubt anything is going to happen at all, others feel differently, only time will tell, but I'm seldom ever wrong :)

You wont end up in jail even if they did come knocking, you'd just end up with a big fine.

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We in USA have to give Ebay our Social Security number and it will report to IRS how much we have collected via MP.
Now that number is grosss and does not exclude refund .
So when we take that number and offset it with expenses such as shipping(postage,packing material,mileage to the post office),insurance,fees (Ebay) ,refund,spoilage,office rent,utilities,paper,ink cartridge,extra help,camera,printer,computer,there is not much of a profit left.
Is that the same with UK ?
I cant imagine you guys do not file income tax return?

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Most people in the UK have their income tax deducted from their wages, less than 20% have to file a tax return.

Obviously there is no income tax deducted from eBay earning and a lot of people have not completed a tax return declaring it.

Which is why they are panicking about eBay telling HMRC.

For the average ebayer they're worrying about nothing, they will either be no tax liability (for example selling off your own second hand goods for less than you paid) or their profit is so low the tax will be negligible or under the threshold (you can make 3k a year profit, after expenses, in addition to your normal income, tax free).

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Just pay an accountant mate ... I get it, I really do. Nobody likes paying taxes. But paying an accountant to make sure everything is in order is the best thing you can do.

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Why woukd an accountant help him?

He doesn't want to pay any tax, so no need for an accountant. He is taking his chances, and my opinion is, he will be completely fine for years to come.

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He does not want to pay taxes but he enjoys the amenities funded by tax money,safe roads,police,etc and rest of you are subsidizing him !

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taxes should not be paid for this reason , it is ok to pay them to avoid trouble but the reason you stated is ridiculous , there is a sufficient number of large tax payers with armies of lawyers and accounts - that reason would fit them best

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everyone should pay,some pay more,some pay less.

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Lets be fair, large portions of taxpayers money is wasted, the UK and the USA being two prime examples of theft from the taxpayer.

VAT in the UK often makes most small businesses especially in product sales, untenable.

We will see a huge rise in Universal Credit claimants in response to all this on eBay. People were surviving, under the radar at a time when the cost of living in the UK is so high even the middle classes are struggling, but now with this HMRC involvement, people are shutting up shop and going on benefits. Overall it is my view this will cost more than it will make.

I used to be really into ensuring tax was paid and believing it was for the greater good and to help those less fortunate, then over the past 15 years I have seen two governments strip away support from those with disabilities or low incomes and line billionaires pockets with it.

So quite frankly, f*** tax, and if you can manage to stay out of their crosshairs, 'effin do it. The billionaire's meagre contribution can pay for us to go see a Doctor from time to time.

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Fair play. I'm not going to argue with that. We all take risks in life.

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Depends on how you look at the situation,if tax is paid for services available and rendered,then the millionaires and billionaires use less of these services than the lower and middle class.
And another way to look at this-their 10% could be $100,000 while our 10% may be just $1000.
so they are paying ten times more than we do to enjoy the same services !
We should be thankful for what they paid and not standing in line competing for the same resources .
Ask an airline analyst,the sold the same plane tickets at full price and discount the rest to agencies so we can get a discount.
Trump is looking into cutting Medicaid,welfare etc,I would expect private money will replace public fund so those in need would be taken care of.
During Cov 19,Jeff Bozo's ex wife donated $1 billion to food banks so we can take home bags of free food,how much did you give,I gave nothing !
(It is interesting to watch what kind of cars these people drive to pick up their free food-Mercedes,Porsche,BMW,no Rolls Royce)

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those billionaires are also people directly responsible for high prices so yes you definitely pay a bigger contribution in % than them as you also overpay for real estate , meds and all possible kinds of mass demand services and goods

they are also the ones selling legal drugs , making people addicts for life and selling / producing genetically modified food (yammy , must be good I have not tried it yet)

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I can't do Trump rhetoric (f a ke facts), its like debating with religious people.

Lack of intelligence means rubbish like this is believed.

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Seems like the topic was "Another national insurance question" - when did this get derailed :lol:

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Its the Trump voters special sauce aint it :)

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Morning chuckles :lol:

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Hi.

Even tho I really like your positive & optimistic views on how everything will roll out with NINO numbers & eBay & HMRC, may I ask where are these opinions (or may I call them facts) coming from? :)

If it is something you don't want to share publicly but want to share privately with a dude you don't know, you can send me a DM.

You are a wise man and I guess you recon that I want to be somehow convinced not to give my NINO number.

I appreciate your honest answer.

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Top advice here - financial professional suggestion

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I don't understand what you're asking, why do you want to be convinced? either give it, or don't, go fully legit and pay your dues - give NINO, stay on the fringes and roll the dice - don't give NINO.

Only you can make that call.

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Okay. This answers my question. Thank you.

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Whats your due date on the NINO, Sunday?

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this thread has everything - trump , NIN , taxes , class war , politics

one can not wish for more

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Morning chuckles :lol:

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- dont know why randomly reminded me of this scene hah

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it looks like for now the people here still have sales but fear that your scenario may come true after they add NIN

some of them seem to be beyond that and think that they will be collected and transported to some other place right away

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Forgot about this thread!

My friend... You are not from the UK so you havent got a clue. You're just guessing.

We all pay council tax. This is about 1200 GBP per year and funds trash collections and emergency services. So.. we cant get out of that.. we all pay it.

If we drive a vehicle we pay road tax, which, on my audi is £265 per year and on my van its £350 per year. Part of this covers road safety.

Tax from selling on ebay does NOT go to the police, roads, safety. It goes to wars and other unknown spending that we haven't got a clue about. Now, paying these taxes are absolutely no problem with me... IF... the government were competent and are providing a safe country to live in. The UK has gone down hill dramatically over the years and even further into becoming a 3rd world country thanks to labour, the current money grabbing government. And ive just read today, they are chasing even home owners that have solar panels and thus selling excess electricity back to the grid.. they are now liable to pay tax. WTF. This government can go to hell.

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I left the UK two years ago because I felt similarly

Too many are complying too easily and I think because the UK PAYE system is so robust few have no choice but too pay extortionate amounts of tax

When governments come looking for even more
in these little grey areas where people are trying to make a little bit on the side they are really really pushing their luck IMO

At this point it does come down to general public compliance and I think more and more people are at a point where their saying f*ck it and aren't complying

The UK gov has a very very big problem on its hands because it keeps pissing money away and bringing in these stealth taxes but then the standard of living is just getting worse and worse

In Australia they do the same but actually use the money to make the country better and therefore the standard of living is good enough people are not at the point of anarchy

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Best to leave the UK if possible, the only way the country can be saved is if it's destroyed then rebuilt. Maybe WW3 is a good way to get rid of all the unwelcome visitors, they'll soon scurry back to their 'dangerous' homes once the sh*t hits the fan.

Don't make me laugh. We saw how the Australian government were 'making the country better' during Covid by sticking their own citizens in concentration camps and not allowing those overseas to return to their own country.

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Ha.. probably. But when one has small kids and is separated from their mother.. One would struggle not being near your kids.

I forgot to mention to my yank brother...

If we want to call the police for a crime less than a murder... You'll be EXTREMELY lucky if they come out. Ive caught gangs on my cctv attempting to steal my car but couldn't so stole the contents of it and the police asked if their face is showing, I said.. a little, they have hoods up, they replied "Nothing we can do". I said they have no gloves on and are touching my car, they did not want to know. The crime is just too small to help this little council tax payer.

Perhaps this is a good instance where the US is better where we can pull a glock out and take their knee caps out.

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You can simply "mistype" a few digits on your NI, works for me :bounce:

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Better contribution of experience :)

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:thumb:

They really don't check / have the means to / care to, they only introducted NI's due to regulations, as we know when it comes to eBay and regulations they want to simply do the bare minimum so works well for us haha