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So I got a deal on some Macbook Pros and want to sell them. They are pretty hyped up so in research i am figuring ill get about $2500 for each. I plan on listing the computer on a stealth account (account is about 3 months old and has a feedback of 3. Never sold anything on the account though) the bank account has been confirmed. I have a tracfone attached to the account as well as a prepaid visa to lift all limitations. Account has been linked with Aucitva. Im going to list it on ebay with like 10 pictures with my ebay id clearly shown in all the pictures. This should keep any ebay scrutiny away from me right?

As for paypal I figure they are going to do the 21 day hold so im going to ship out as soon as i get payment with usps and signature confirmation. Im gonna call them as soon as its delivered to get them to release the funds. Then move the money to my bank account.

How does that sound for a plan? Keep in mind im listing the macbook pros on different accounts. Im hoping this can fall into the non scrutiny of the "one time sale" Not like im selling lots of macbook pros if they ask itll be like oh i won it in a raffle and figured id just get some cash for it.

goodluck, 2500 in one transaction is scary. i wouldn't do more than 500 in any 1 month at a time with a stealth.Keep it slow and LOW, and then gradually build up as you prove you're legitimate with paypal, the more you prove you are delivering items w/o cases open and positive feedbacks, the happier and less flags you will raise with paypal Paypal wants you as a seller, they don't want you to scam people, that's their main idea... so dodge the flags with positives and NO CASES, refund immediately w/o drama

Sounds like a good plan. I don't see how it would not work. If the pictures are taken and the product is legitimate there shouldn't be a problem. That's my opinion thought never had experience with something like this however, I don't see any complications with doing it. EBay is not intentionally looking to sabotage people...I think. Worst case scenario I'm guessing would be that eBay will either take the listing down before it even gets sold and give you a warning (unlikely) or Paypal limits your account after it gets sold and holds the money for 180 days for high risk activity. If the latter happens at least it's still you're money you just gotta wait for it :thumb:

That is way, way too much money to put through a stealth paypal. Can you imagine the paypal fees and fvf on 2500? What if you lose it? Then you're out a 2k+ dollar laptop...

I'd take a check, or money order.

Why not open a paymate account get your sellers feedback up to 10 or more an you can open one with $5000 month limit or $10,000.

telly55 is right! 1 paymate account per ebay account. You can use the same info and they don't check! ;)

I would NEVER Let that kind of Money flow thru a Stealth Paypal

At the risk of sounding like a jerk can someone who says dont do it elaborate more instead of just saying id never do that. Where do you think the problem will arise? Ive had thousands flow through stealth paypal accounts before with no problem. Those were outside of ebay transactions though. They were gift cards and everytime I got a call from paypal id say oh i won this in an auction or i got it with my credit card points and I got limited like once out of every 5 times or so. I feel like its more quantity than amount that gets the limitations soemtimes so im thinking if i play it as a one time sale on the account that it will help. First of all when i sell it the moneys going to be held by paypal anyway so i have to ship with signature and confirmation anyway. So why are they going to put an account on hold that cant even get the funds. The only time I really see a problem is after I prove delivery and attempt to move the funds to my bank account.

Paypal limits based on spikes in sales and on a new account anything over $500. If you sell a macbook for $550 on a new account without any selling history it will limited automatically by their system. You can move 1,000's through a stealth paypal you just have work your way up to it gradually.

Look People Paypal uses a Fraud protection System that is VERY Complicated, They have "Bots" that are programed to flag accounts for a Mulitude of reasons. Accounts can get Limited for ALL of the folowing reasons: Selling to fast, Spike in the "Average Amount of each transaction, Withdrawal limitations, (Both Known and Unkown), Activity Level Spikes, High Risk Sales, PURCHASING History It is a FACT that there are Limitation Triggers set for ALL of those reasons, and there is MORE.

So, For example, an Ebay seller with a Paypal account Verified with a Bank Account and Debit Card Whose average Transaction is about $100.00 per Transaction selling "low risk" items Has a Monthly withdrawal Limit of XXXXX ( I do not Know what the exact Amount is, I have been trying to figure that out for YEARS, but I Do Know that it EXISTS!!!)

Take the EXACT Same Account senario and change the Verification Part by substituting a Social Security Number instead of the Debit Card and you wind up with a MUCH Higher Withdrawal Limit (BUT You will Still Have a LIMIT)

In FACT Every time there is a Change in that Original account Senario the direct result will be a Limitation Requesting More information AND Change in your Withdrawal Limit.

I Know that Paypal says that Verified Accounts have No Withdrawal Limits, But that is a Load of Crap, if you read the Paypal user Agreement it Basically says that in order to provide better security for all Paypal users, that Paypal can limit your account and ask for additional information ANYTIME.

So when you call and complain about the limitation Paypal will tell you that it is NOT the amount of Money but for additional Security, Yea Right.

It is However Possible to have an account that I Believe will Not suffer anymore Limitations, I have such an account, this account is 100% Legit, and a Corporate account that is now 8 years old, and over the years I have provided Paypal with EVERYTHING YOU COULD POSSIBLY IMMAGINE and then some, Personal Social Security Number, Federal Tax ID Number (A Coporate version of a Social Security Number) State Tax Resale Certificates, Bank Accounts, Debit Cards, Invoices, Drivers Licence, PHOTO COPIES of all of the Above, and MORE.

The reason that I believe that this account is Truly Unlimited is because after my last limitation and document submission session with Paypal (about 3 Years ago) I was approved to use a Paypal feature called a "Balance Manager" which allows me to set up my Paypal account for automatic transfers to my bank account in a variety of ways. I Have NEVER Had a Problem Since, and i have had some SERIOUS Sales Spikes in that time.

So in essence if someone using Paypal selling items that go for about 100.00 each and sell about 20 per week starts selling Mac Books for 2000.00 each In my Opinion WILL have a Paypal Problem---No Question.

See I see what you all are saying but I dont think anyones reading my posts they are just spouting off the same stuff we already know. start slow build up trust blah blah. I know all that. Im looking at this as more of a once in a blue moon thing. Im not listing all the macbook pros on 1 account thats stupid. What im saying is this. List it on the one paypal and sell it. Even ebay and paypal know not everyone who sells on ebay is a huge seller so im playing this as the angle of a guy who has a compuer hes trying to sell. People do that all the time. I feel like even with the larger amount it will work because
1 its the one and only thing ive got listed to sell.
2. They are going to hold the money when it comes into my paypal anyway until I get a positive feedback or its shown delivered with signature
3. Im not listing anything else on the account and no other money will be coming in besides this.

thoughts. and again make sure you know what im saying. dont just come in saying you want to start off selling small then move to big ticket items. essentially i am going to use an account to sell a macbook pro then never use it again.

Well, now that you put it that way, it MIGHT work, It Really depends on how Paypal Views your account, but if you withdraw VERY SLOWLY over a 2-3 month Period you might pull it off

Make sure that you DO NOT put a Second one on any account, 1 per account Might Work

I personally still would not do it.

If all you want to do is sell a macbook on an account with no selling history I can garantee your paypal will get limited as soon as any over $500 payment comes in, try and see for yourself.

That sort of listing has a big chance of being flagged. At the very least I would say to expect a MC010 suspension. From other posts here on the forum, ebay are giving out these on accounts with low FB. Age does not count nor the fact you say it;s created OK. ebay is not liking such listings.

Inclined to agree with the procedure sort of. Paypal will limit you for $2500.They perceive a risk. What if you get a scammer? What if you get paid with a stolen CC? Have you factored this into your plan? I dont see that anywhere:pop2: paypal will think the same

if ebay had not changed the way it plays I'd say maybe.I think you are being too simplistic. I've read the other replies and your own. I think you've already decided what you want to do now. It's a moot point any advice but it's my .2c:peace:

sdot10,

Just because you want to hear happy-happy-joy-joy music does not mean that the good advice you've been given by others is at fault. The fault lies with the flaws in your thinking.

There are how many hundred thousand items currently listed on ebay? And you think you can front off a phoney seller profile that makes you appear to be the only innocent person on ebay? Like any living breathing ebay organism even looks at what we do? PuhLeez!

The enemy will be sending out bots specifically engineered to give you the stinky eye. At the same time but on the other side of the coin, they are considering maybe potential buyers are nigerians with hot plastic to shop on or maybe some other kind of do-bad-niks.

The advice that people give regarding a slow start is valid. You don't want to hear it? Fine. Stop asking. Stop arguing. List your pschit, have a coke and a smile and have a nice big juicy shut-the-hell-up sandwich.

Fur reel!

i was selling hot products on my pre paypal account. The hold didnt come into place probably until the 7/8th unit that i sold. the ebay account had approximately 26 feedback nevertheless.

It has to do with your dsr ratings and the type of product, if you have 20 drs all above %4.60 normally there's no hold but if 1 of those ratings falls below 4.60 you'll still get the hold even after 20 dsr's unless the product is considered low risk then you might not.

great info was thinking about sales of high end (1k to 4k )music equipment but would on a legit account

just a followup. Ive sold 3 of the computers got between 2600 and 3000 and have been able to get every cent out doing exactly what i said i would do.

Thats awsome, How long did it take to get your Money out of Paypal? and How big were each of your withdrawls?

Thats good so in 6 days(since your last post) you sold 3 macbooks.
And got almost 9k into your bank account,all before this weekend?
Where do I signup? :)

I think he's bluffing, I don't think you can ship something, get the hold released and have it transferred to your bank that quick and no way can you withrdaw all that money at once without getting limited.

why would i be lying dude? I said from the start I didnt think anybody really understood what i was saying. I did exactly what I said I was gonna do and it worked exactly how i thought it would. I had actually already posted the auctions before i made my post and was going to delete them if i got an overwhelming no but I got the same ol start slow blah blah which if you read my original post and my subsequent other posts explaining myself.

Again ill explain why I think it worked
I put up the macbook on a fairly new seller account its about 3 months old. I had bought some items for feedback purposes. I put the MBP up with pictures and the ebay name and date. Ebay has NO reason to pull the auction. Nothing was generic so they have absolutely no reason to doubt me so the auction doesnt get taken down.

After payment of course they use paypal which when it goes into my account is on hold anyway I mean why the hell are they going to limit an account they control. I cant touch the money so that means its going to pass that initial money coming in scrutiny

Now I send it with delivery confirmation and sig of course and when it gets there I just call up paypal and tell them its arrived (9 times outta 10 its a foreigner who is just following a script) and get the money released.

Then I took half the money one day waited 24 hours for the complete then took the other half and done. On the 3rd one I took the whole amount in the first transfer.

I got calls to my tracfone on all 3 accounts. 2 were just making sure I was the one who made the bank transfers and 1 was actually asking about the MBP. I just told him this was a one time thing. That I won it in a raffle and how i cant stand apple and I already have a laptop and with times the way they are theres no reason to keep a laptop that expensive. we kinda laughed about it and I was just cool and collected. I also reminded them how I had followed paypals procedure (sent same day, got tracking and signature confirmation) Like I said before in my posts I am playing it like this is a one time thing.

I hear all the stuff you guys say about start slow and such and thats fine but at the same time if you look like youre a seller dont you think paypals gonna treat you like a seller and of course want you to provide seller info. I did this like a dude who won a computer and wanted to sell it on ebay.

Great job nice pre & post story I have no reason to not believe you. You kept it real. GOOD LUCK!

Congratulations! You see, they do call high-end/amount sellers and the problem is if you don't pick up or sound suspicious then they'll limit you. I see that's the problem with many people here is that they miss the paypal call. :doh:

That could be true, also based on past experience I've had just over $500 go into a new account and it was limited within seconds, I also tried to withraw $400 on another new account and it was limited within 5 seconds, not sure what the deal is.

so i will stick with slow and steady 4 accounts 3 items each every three days and withdrawl 400 a week in seperate transfer

Remember, Wait a while before doing it again, Paypal may not let it Slide for a second time if it is too soon.

Maybe it was software? Or items marked as very high risk? What category was it in?
I'm starting to figure out a pattern here.

Another thing to remember is PayPal will act different when it's not an ebay item meaning they probably will limit you. Also when getting money into your PayPal never try to withdraw right away at least let it sit in there for a few days up to a week because whenever you get funds and try to withdraw right away that = limitation.

No software comes with a death sentence nowadays lol, the $500 that came in was from money requests from other paypals, the $400 I tried to withdraw was from the sale of dvds, and the accounts were about 90 days old with about 10 feedback, I don't think they tried to call because the limitations were instant, but I'm gonna start selling some macbook airs and see what happens only thing is all my accounts have at least 50 feedback but I'm in need of a Lexus ls 400 at the moment anyway so what the heck.

Oh, I see now. I remember you telling me that those money requests weren't a problem! "All my accounts are at least 30 days old and my first few withdrawals are always $100 about every other day and the balance is always around $500 sometimes $800 or $900 but I never go over a $1000 and I rarely ever get limitations from paypal."

I was going to try this but has things changed now?

Thats completely different from what I wrote above, withdrawing $100 is not the same as $400 and the several hundred dollar balance got in there little by little not in 1 day.

Hey may I ask if you were able to withdraw the funds right away?