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sumjuaninca 11-10-2013 03:32 AM

Which approach is better? Stealths vs. Friends/Family
 
I've been reading these forums for a few weeks now and there seems to be two different approaches in how to go about setting up a new account. I'm trying to evaluate the pros and cons of the two approaches as I see them. Any input from the community would be great!

Camp 1) The True "Stealth"ers - there are many (perhaps most) of the members on these forums who seem to set up multiple accounts (often dozens) with the goal to sell small amounts across multiple accounts and ride each account out as long as they can. They use made up names, throw away phone numbers, shoddy VBAs, etc. This method requires an immense amount of micromanaging and to me hardly seems worth it for my goals as a seller. These accounts seem to last only a couple of months on average and are constantly being limited or shut down because of suspicious activity. But so many on here seem to think, who cares when you have 25 more accounts... Is it really that easy to just open all of these? The problems I can count with these sort of accounts hardly seems worth it. You could never really sell much on an account like this in the US.

Camp 2) The "friends & family" crew - these are the sellers here who have maybe 2 or 3 accounts which they refer to as "stealth" but they are really referring to a very different kind of account than the people in camp one above. This is much more like a legitimate ebay account that you are running in your friend's name. It seems to me as though these would be not be very hard to keep clean (as long as you're not an idiot and remember not to use any of your information from your restricted account). If you can send in a scan of your friend's ID and SSN and can verify your account over the phone, you should have an account that is fairly bulletproof, no?

My goals are to be able to run one or two accounts as a buyer/seller. I want access to my mail. Items that get returned to sender happen fairly often, I'm not ok with losing those packages. I want access to my mail. So should you. Basically, the way I see it is that as long as I can verify anything they throw at me, I shouldn't have any problems - so long as I'm selling legit items as a hobby and keep happy customers.

My plan of attack is as follows:
* Create an eb/pp account in friend's name
* Get a physical address PO Box at the USPS
* Add a DBA name to my PO Box - using my ebay userID as my DBA
* Use friend's name and my physical address PO Box as my eb/pp home addresses but my eb user ID as my ship from name and my returns name. This way I can always pick up my mail from the post office as it is also my DBA
* Produce whatever documents they ask for when they ask to verify, through whatever means necessary. Should be easy if my friend will verify for me.
* Get a MagicJack phone number as GV appears to cause problems for people (does this MJ# need to be registered in your friend's name too?)
* Get a BOA account in my name to link with pp, but don't ever use it to make payments to pp
* Get a reloadable prepaid CC in my friend's name to used for eb payments

This allows me to do business in my friend's name, but my DBA is only a way for me to pick up packages. I'm not actually doing business in that name (other than acting as an agent to my friend). I'm basically just acting as an agent on my friend's behalf. It would be entirely his account and info, I'm just managing it and using a PO Box that I have access to instead of his home address. That way I don't have to bother him at all. I can just give him a nice thank you at the end of the year each year. Seems like this approach should last a very long time...

Am I ignorant? Is there something I am missing? Why are so many people so set on these throw away accounts? Is it because they've already exhausted all legitimate accounts they could or is it because they actually prefer that method?

nerdydood 11-10-2013 03:27 PM

Re: Which approach is better? Stealths vs. Friends/Family
 
It's about putting all your eggs in ONE basket as opposed to putting all your eggs in a bunch of baskets...

MM78 11-10-2013 03:59 PM

Re: Which approach is better? Stealths vs. Friends/Family
 
Quote:

My plan of attack is as follows:
* Create an eb/pp account in friend's name
Bad idea, we don't recommend using friends Or family...Why? tons of threads on why.

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* Get a physical address PO Box at the USPS
This works.

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* Use friend's name and my physical address PO Box as my eb/pp home addresses but my eb user ID as my ship from name and my returns name. This way I can always pick up my mail from the post office as it is also my DBA
* Produce whatever documents they ask for when they ask to verify, through whatever means necessary. Should be easy if my friend will verify for me.
All bad, don't use your friends info.

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* Get a MagicJack phone number as GV appears to cause problems for people (does this MJ# need to be registered in your friend's name too?)
Been using Google Voice no problem but many ways exist, and no to your friend.

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* Get a BOA account in my name to link with pp, but don't ever use it to make payments to pp
BOA works fine and again No to using your friends info!

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* Get a reloadable prepaid CC in my friend's name to used for eb payments
Gift Cards work better and easier to register AND again No to using your friends info!

MM78 11-10-2013 04:01 PM

Re: Which approach is better? Stealths vs. Friends/Family
 
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Originally Posted by nerdydood (Post 502202)
It's about putting all your eggs in ONE basket as opposed to putting all your eggs in a bunch of baskets...

It's all about spreading sales across multiple accounts.

MM78 11-10-2013 04:08 PM

Re: Which approach is better? Stealths vs. Friends/Family
 
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Why are so many people so set on these throw away accounts? Is it because they've already exhausted all legitimate accounts they could or is it because they actually prefer that method?
I don't recall anyone referring to their accounts as "Throw away" :noidea:. I'm sure no one wants to think their accounts are going to go down but IF they do..we are prepared.
Everyone has their reasons, some still have their legit accounts and like having stealth, some have been banned and this is their way of getting back to selling.

Sandy D 11-10-2013 05:12 PM

Re: Which approach is better? Stealths vs. Friends/Family
 
Throw away accounts?

I have my original 1995 real account and 100s of stealth accounts.

I dont work so hard to throw them away, I work hard to grow them into power house money making accounts.

I still have the original stealth account I believe was ever made in 2003 and tons of 2007 to 2013 accounts.

If ran correctly they are like gold in your pocket.

Many have no limits whatsoever and others have sky high limits.

You must be reading into something that is not correct or misunderstand the purpose of the majority of us here.

Dunersdunes 11-10-2013 05:45 PM

Re: Which approach is better? Stealths vs. Friends/Family
 
I agree with MM on this. Dont ever use friends or family.

Name and address sure no biggie. But we all know ebay and pp will want date of birth next , and then their social. Etcc

I mean friends and family
are cool to ship to address if need be. I mean need be. but if ur account goes down remember them friends and family addresses you used will also fall to in the future.

Stealth it. So easy a caveman can do it!!!!!


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