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| schmeagle | 01-04-2015 06:44 PM | VPS rules I've heard talk about how it's not safe to use an http proxy. Just wanted to clarify, don't use an anonymous proxy that everybody can use, create your own. For under $15 a month a set up a VPS with a squid anonymous proxy server with 10 additional Ip addresses. That is 11 new eBay accounts. Going strong for months now, two have 500 limit, 5 have a 50 item limit, 1 25 limit, and 3 have a 10 item limit. None got flagged and they all sell like crazy. :) best solution I can imagine. Each account has a static ip that never changes and super easy to use. The initial setup for a squid anonymous proxy server takes about an hour or so. If someone would like a how to guide, I may write one up soon.. |
| GreenBean | 01-04-2015 06:47 PM | Re: VPS rules Come back and say all is going OK in 2 years and you might be onto something but it's still a risky setup because of the squid anonymous poxy server. is it a new style to not space posts to make it naffing hard to naffin read?
:mad: |
| danshan | 01-04-2015 06:57 PM | Re: VPS rules Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenBean
(Post 627469)
Come back and say all is goig OK in 2 years and you might be onto something but it's still a risky setup because of the squid anonymous poxy server. is it a new style to not space posts to make it naffing hard to naffin read?
:mad: | What do you not like about squid? |
| Cracker100 | 01-04-2015 07:04 PM | Re: VPS rules Quote:
Originally Posted by danshan
(Post 627472)
What do you not like about squid? | They have been used and abused. |
| danshan | 01-04-2015 07:05 PM | Re: VPS rules What has? Squid is not a proxy, squid is the software to setup a vps |
| Cracker100 | 01-04-2015 07:07 PM | Re: VPS rules Your talking about a squid proxy server...right? |
| danshan | 01-04-2015 07:08 PM | Re: VPS rules No this guy is talking about using squid to setup a vps |
| Cracker100 | 01-04-2015 07:12 PM | Re: VPS rules OK...I see |
| trosky | 01-04-2015 07:43 PM | Re: VPS rules Quote:
Originally Posted by schmeagle
(Post 627467)
I've heard talk about how it's not safe to use an http proxy. Just wanted to clarify, don't use an anonymous proxy that everybody can use, create your own. For under $15 a month a set up a VPS with a squid anonymous proxy server with 10 additional Ip addresses. That is 11 new eBay accounts. Going strong for months now, two have 500 limit, 5 have a 50 item limit, 1 25 limit, and 3 have a 10 item limit. None got flagged and they all sell like crazy. :) best solution I can imagine. Each account has a static ip that never changes and super easy to use. The initial setup for a squid anonymous proxy server takes about an hour or so. If someone would like a how to guide, I may write one up soon.. |
Where are you getting the public IPs to use though? And that VPS has to be in Linux, CentosOS or Ubuntu so not many people are comfortable using it |
| schmeagle | 01-04-2015 08:11 PM | Re: VPS rules Quote:
Originally Posted by trosky
(Post 627496)
Where are you getting the public IPs to use though? And that VPS has to be in Linux, CentosOS or Ubuntu so not many people are comfortable using it | I think you missed the point I was making. Don't use public IPs. The squid proxy server is set up on my own VPS server, the IPs are not used by anyone else. Yes it's setup up very easily on a centOS setup. Very cheap fast and reliable. Totally anonymous, no proxy is detected if it's set up correctly. |
| danshan | 01-04-2015 08:12 PM | Re: VPS rules Can you access blocked.com using your vps? |
| schmeagle | 01-04-2015 08:13 PM | Re: VPS rules Quote:
Originally Posted by danshan
(Post 627477)
What has? Squid is not a proxy, squid is the software to setup a vps | Exactly. Squid is a proxy server that runs on any Linux distribution. A Linux VPS costs about 3$ a month and each additional IP address is another 1$. |
| trosky | 01-04-2015 08:35 PM | Re: VPS rules That's the thing, knowing FOR SURE those IP were never used before by someone else for eB/PP |
| yankee | 01-04-2015 08:56 PM | Re: VPS rules Very interesting thread. Learned a ton! |
| danshan | 01-04-2015 09:11 PM | Re: VPS rules I am very curious if these guys can access blocked.com. it took me about a year to get by blocked.com |
| yankee | 01-04-2015 09:26 PM | Re: VPS rules I am not techy and I barely follow this conversation but grasp the ideas.
I have looked at the blocked.com website but.....what is exactly used for and why do you have to "get by" it? |
| trosky | 01-04-2015 09:33 PM | Re: VPS rules Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee
(Post 627524)
I am not techy and I barely follow this conversation but grasp the ideas.
what is blocked.com and why do you have to "get by" it? |
It's a software that detects and blocks proxy connections basically. So the key is using a proxy anonymously and that it doesn't look like a proxy by the blocked.com software. Which from what the OP states it is what he's doing.
What I was asking and wondering is the IPs used are from the same company I'm guessing and if they are dedicated and NOT from a abused company it should be fine. It's essentially the same as getting multiple VPN accounts with each dedicated IP, just much cheaper as the OP outlined. |
| yankee | 01-04-2015 09:37 PM | Re: VPS rules I was understanding that it was essentially creating your own VPN service. |
| danshan | 01-04-2015 09:40 PM | Re: VPS rules Quote:
Originally Posted by trosky
(Post 627529)
It's a software that detects and blocks proxy connections basically. So the key is using a proxy anonymously and that it doesn't look like a proxy by the blocked.com software. Which from what the OP states it is what he's doing.
What I was asking and wondering is the IPs used are from the same company I'm guessing and if they are dedicated and NOT from a abused company it should be fine. It's essentially the same as getting multiple VPN accounts with each dedicated IP, just much cheaper as the OP outlined. | Good comment but remember most vps sellers are really resellers so the vps company does not matter the actual provider does. |
| trosky | 01-04-2015 09:49 PM | VPS rules Quote:
Originally Posted by danshan
(Post 627538)
Good comment but remember most vps sellers are really resellers so the vps company does not matter the actual provider does. |
Yes very good point, there are actually only a few VPS providers, but many websites. So just because a website is not at the top of Google it doesn't mean it hasn't been abused, and their IPs are all from their IP range and could easily been used before. Just because an IP is dedicated to you now doesn't mean it wasn't dedicated for someone else before. Always risks that need to be taken into account. |
| schmeagle | 01-04-2015 10:45 PM | Re: VPS rules How does one ever know for sure? But they are fresh Ip addresses owned by the VPS domain, nobody is using them now except me.. But sure any IP address anywhere could have been used at some point by a seller you can never know 100% sure. But it's safer than a VPN or using a dongle I would say. Because it's IPs that nobody can ever use but me. Quote:
Originally Posted by trosky
(Post 627517)
That's the thing, knowing FOR SURE those IP were never used before by someone else for eB/PP | |
| danshan | 01-04-2015 10:46 PM | Re: VPS rules Nothing is better than a dongle. |
| danshan | 01-04-2015 10:47 PM | Re: VPS rules Ebay and paypal are trying more than anything to stop international scammers, so any dongle ip means you are pretty darn sure in the usa. |
| yankee | 01-04-2015 10:52 PM | Re: VPS rules Quote:
Originally Posted by danshan
(Post 627569)
Nothing is better than a dongle. | It really depends on the account. I live a dedicated IP for big accounts but clearly these accounts are not scammers. |
| danshan | 01-04-2015 10:54 PM | Re: VPS rules I have all my accts on vps it is the simplest and easiest but nothing beats a dongle as far as stealth it is absolutely the best option hands down no question. I have accts that are 2 years old and are on vps so imo vps does work but nothing is better than a dongle |
| schmeagle | 01-04-2015 10:55 PM | Re: VPS rules Nope it's not a vpn so you aren't going to get access to anything you wouldn't normally get access to. Quote:
Originally Posted by danshan
(Post 627521)
I am very curious if these guys can access blocked.com. it took me about a year to get by blocked.com | |
| danshan | 01-04-2015 10:57 PM | Re: VPS rules Quote:
Originally Posted by schmeagle
(Post 627574)
Nope it's not a vpn so you aren't going to get access to anything you wouldn't normally get access to.
QUOTE=danshan;627521]I am very curious if these guys can access blocked.com. it took me about a year to get by blocked.com | [/QUOTE]
I dont understand? |
| schmeagle | 01-04-2015 10:58 PM | Re: VPS rules Why is a dongle better? I've never used one so I don't know.. But doesn't it grab new IP address that may or may not have been previously used? And can it manage 10+ accounts without issues? Maybe it is an easy solution but is it going to handle multiple accounts with ease? Quote:
Originally Posted by danshan
(Post 627573)
I have all my accts on vps it is the simplest and easiest but nothing beats a dongle as far as stealth it is absolutely the best option hands down no question. I have accts that are 2 years old and are on vps so imo vps does work but nothing is better than a dongle | |
| danshan | 01-04-2015 11:04 PM | Re: VPS rules I believe the idea of stealth to me is to as closely as possible look like a real normal guy. I think imho most real normal guys log into or check their ebay or pp at some point with mobile. So by using a dongle you technically are doing that and a dongle ip shows as the isp as verizon or sprint. How could a nigerian scammer simulate that? Now how easy could he get a vps. This is why i think it is stronger even though lol I do not use it. I could not imagine switching ips and tracking ips for 50-70 accts all day sounds crazy to me. I set up a vps put 25 accts on each desktop and each has its own vps and i have had tons of success. |
| yankee | 01-04-2015 11:09 PM | Re: VPS rules more than 70% of all ebay transactions occur on a mobile device. This was in January of 2013 so odds are it is even higher. |
| danshan | 01-04-2015 11:11 PM | Re: VPS rules And what percentage do you guess are on a vps? I would say .001 % something absurd like that. |
| schmeagle | 01-04-2015 11:31 PM | Re: VPS rules Nope, not a VPN... (You could do that, but it's not necessary since all we need is to use a browser to get on eBay) it's creating you're own anonymous http proxy.. Just for web browsing, fast and secure. And totally undetectable by any scanner or website. if it's set up correctly. Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee
(Post 627533)
I was understanding that it was essentially creating your own VPN service. | |
| GreenBean | 01-05-2015 12:00 AM | Re: VPS rules Whether it's primary purpose is something else doesn't change the fact that it will act just like any other proxy. It's a proxy. |
Re: VPS rules Dongle....cellphone tethering...dial-up - still ways to go to get dynamic IP that are less risky than proxy |
| schmeagle | 01-06-2015 02:07 AM | Re: VPS rules Quote:
Originally Posted by rsot
(Post 627594)
Dongle....cellphone tethering...dial-up - still ways to go to get dynamic IP that are less risky than proxy |
I feel safer with a static ip rather than a dynamic IP. There is absolutely no risk involved in an undetectable private http proxy. Only risky proxies are the public ones.
Dialup or tethering was a pain for me, because I had to constantly keep track of Ip addresses that had been used previously and for which account I used them. A static Ip for each account is safe and super easy. |
| danshan | 01-06-2015 02:10 AM | Re: VPS rules I dont feeler safer with static but 1 million times easier |
| schmeagle | 01-06-2015 02:12 AM | Re: VPS rules Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenBean
(Post 627588)
Whether it's primary purpose is something else doesn't change the fact that it will act just like any other proxy. It's a proxy. | You say that like its a bad thing.. eB must think it's nice, because all ten accounts were given very high selling limits right from the get go.. I can hardly keep up with so many sales... |
| danshan | 01-06-2015 02:13 AM | Re: VPS rules I think its a lack of complete understanding and a little of I know what works. A vps is nothing like a proxy in the sense of what people think a proxy is |
| schmeagle | 01-06-2015 02:15 AM | Re: VPS rules Quote:
Originally Posted by danshan
(Post 628009)
I think its a lack of complete understanding and a little of I know what works. A vps is nothing like a proxy in the sense of what people think a proxy is | Yes, that is the misconception that I am trying to dispel here with this thread.. |
| schmeagle | 01-06-2015 02:29 AM | Re: VPS rules Quote:
Originally Posted by danshan
(Post 628006)
I dont feeler safer with static but 1 million times easier | Well I only feel safer because I was using a vPN and this seems risky because there are only a small pool of IPs to chose from with each server. I feel like if other sellers are on the same server they could be sharing the ip pool with me and we both risk getting flagged. Also near the end of the month they seem to run out of IPs and route you to a different server in another city. Then oops pp wants to verify your identity all of the sudden.
A VPS with a proxy is just like any internet connection. Your ISP is actually a large proxy server.. The Internet is comprised of proxies per se.
Avoid public proxies of course, these are used and abused.. I am trying to explain the difference.
The squid server is used by millions of servers and ISPs to route Internet connections. It is highly configurable and can be set up so that no proxy is detected. | | All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:52 PM. | |
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