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The limit perspective I use
 

I have seen way too many gripes and complaints lately about limits and (lack of) increases.

Here is my take:

I have three types of accounts. I call them my kids, adolescents, and adults.

Kids are the brand new ones with no sales or at best, no limit increases. Adolescents are those with limits raised a time or two, but not at a level where i need to really work them. Adults are those that are fully functional, meant to bring in the dough, and have limits of 60+ in my case.

My goal is to nurture and cuddle with the kid accounts and the adolescent ones so they grow, stay out of danger, and have every opportunity to become productive adult accounts.

To get the kid accounts moving along I buy or find low cost junk to sell at a very low price and even a loss. Use things that are small to save on shipping, and in high demand. I usually start off with 25 cent books from the library and sell for $2-3. Shipping costs that much and when you consider the ebay and paypal fees, I end up with a net loss.

Considering I already spent about $50 to get VCC, tracfones and other stuff set up, what is an extr buck or two?

I try to let the account sit for 3 months and then hit it with 3 listings in the first month and then max out the 5 limit in the second month. I rarely miss out on a bump after the second month. Then I mix it up with some of my faster selling real profit items along with some more losers. One month below the limit and the next at the limit. When I finally crawl up to a decent established account level then I go only with my money makers.

I have 14 accounts. 1 is stuck on 30/3000, one just got its first increase, and the others are in the adult phase.

Bottom line is...don't try to make a profit on the new accounts. The profit comes from listing say 60 items per month, selling 30 of them. The profit probably does not come from dragging out account growth by trying to sell your good stuff too early. Sell junk at a loss and then list the good stuff so you don't have to deal with too many accounts at once. One account with a 100 limit is much easier to handle than 20 accounts with 5 each.

Part II...for the junk...pre-box it and have it ready to go in your spare time. Make it that much easier. Don't worry about a no-pay, at least you don't have to pay for shipping and you are only out the ebay fees. And don't quibble with a new account. Jsut give the crap away to buyild a track record of sales and hopefully feedbacks.

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Well put hope others can learn from this

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wow your a really good parent :rolleyes:

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Good advice there Lost in the Supermarket, will take this mentally to heart.

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"My goal is to nurture and cuddle with the kid accounts and the adolescent ones so they grow, stay out of danger, and have every opportunity to become productive adult accounts."

That's rather sweet...

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Very eloquently put Lost in the supermarket, and an interesting read, even over here in the UK.

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Nice write-up Lost in the Supermarket - I like the coherency and your patience in general :thumb:

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This is for sure the key to true long term success! :)

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That's not a bad way to do things, but it's painfully slow and not all members have the option to spend 100+ dollars at a net loss and wait months before starting to sell.

Instead of coddling your "kids", some parents believe that teaching them to stick up for themselves and tell the bully "NO!" when he demands their lunch money. Many parents have found success when their children are assertive and ask for what they want. Children who request an allowance increase just might find they get one---and if Mom says no, why not ask Dad?

In other words, rather than losing money by selling junk (getting beat up by the bully), it's better to sell stuff that makes PROFIT (standing up for yourself). Asking for an allowance (calling for a limit increase) is better than waiting for one to be given (twiddling your thumbs). If one parent says no (eBay rep denies increase) ask the other (call again and talk to someone else).

Just some thoughts to consider... ;)

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You have a really good analogy going here nice to see its all planned out

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I completely agree with your strategy. Too many people want everything to happen INSTANTLY these days, then they complain when they lose the account. I always have new accounts waiting for me to use. I sell a few things on the ones "in the hopper" every couple of months so they keep a sales history, and I believe this helps when I turn the account into a REAL selling account.

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Sounds like a very solid strategy, should help alot of people, thanks for sharing!

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That sounds like a plan for real life, but Stealth Ebay-ing is not real life.

Let me poke just one hole in your style......if you get beat up by the bully (ebay) just once you die. Your account does anyway.

So....do you give your 50 cents lunch money to the bully every day for your first 30-40 transactions until you grow up to make (in my case) $20-25 per transaction for hundreds or thousands of transactions?

I have only had one "kid" get killed by the bully and it was becasue I failed to take care of him. I was testing just how "free-range" I could let him be. The other 14 kids of mine have all grown up to be responsible so they can take care of me in my old age. Just a swag at numbers, I have had about 2500-3000 transactions since going stealth, thrown away about $200 in backing down to scammers and selling loser items.

Over 75K to the plus side and a couple Benjamins to the down. Spent around $40 just to get the kid born that died practically at birth because I took a chance.

So................the bottom line is...are you in it for money or for your pride? Will you stand up to that bully on principle and risk having your kid killed?

The cost of a stealth kid funeral these days is:
tracphone with card $30(ish)
VCC $25 minimum minus the value leaves -$5 for VCC fee.
your time $?
risk to your other accounts...........priceless!

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You've just put my thoughts on the paper! Nice post!

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Uh, no.

My stealth accounts are created as follows:
Google Voice #: Free
VCC: Entropay card: 5.25
Allybank: Online bank, account setup less than 5 mins
Total cost: 5.25

Nice try though..... :doh:

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LMFAO LOL oh my, oh my. :pop2:

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Oh my, it worked! =} :d

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Clearly you grew up in a situation where everybody gets a trophy.
It isn't all about you like your Mom tried to make you believe.

The key point that you are missing is in the title of the post. "The Limit Perspective I use". Not "The limit perspective YOU use". Or "Everybody should use", or "sheltered babies use". No, it is MY take on things.

You can
a. ignore it
b. glean tidbits of info to help in your stealthing (my intent)
c. continue to make a fool of yourself by not "getting it"

Your point, like you, is stupid. No matter what your new stealth account might cost, does it make sense to take unnecessary risks and have the account suspended? Wait....I bet it is OK to you because you always had the best baseball bats Daddy could buy as his way of showing you love because he really deep down resented you. Or was it your helicopter Mom that made you think you were a "special boy"? She probably even wrote your post for you!

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Maybe he has no Mom?

He lacks so much all over.

You are not allowed to disagree with the righteous and know sfa one. Be careful

:amen:

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"sfa" means what? Sorry just clarifying

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Clearly you don't know how to formulate a logical argument....next.

You posted this in response to this thread:
http://www.aspkin.com/forums/subscri...ts-ebay-5.html

Where the exact thing you just described happened, where I was in your described role. Hypocrisy much?

Does it make sense to take risks?
Does it make sense to start a business knowing you might fail?
Does it make sense to ask a woman on a date, knowing you might be rejected?
Does it make sense to get on a plane, knowing it might crash?
Does it make sense to drive your car, knowing you might get killed by a drunk driver?

Many people say YES! You might be too afraid to take risks, because your mother didn't teach you it's ok to fail, however, some of us had proper parenting. I'm sorry to hear your mother and father didn't love you at all, but theres no need to air out your personal issues on a public forum.


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Don't run down and do one of them, walk down and do all of them. Good Advise and Reminder!

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....and the value of your time? gotta go to the store and buy that card, time to not only set up that account but get listings going, ease into a few sales and searches for cookie-collecting.

What about an address? Don't you have to do a little research to get it all stealth-ized?

Unless you are trhe Flash I can't see how it can be done in less than an hour (including the searches and new listings) so e are talking at least $60 in my time. You might be a minimum wage kind of person though...........

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Where'd you get a photo of Aspkin's mom? :eek: :focus:

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First off, wow, I wrote that over a month ago. You're REALLY late.

Second...bud, PLEASE, go back to school and learn how to read.

ENTROPAY IS AN ONLINE CARD! It takes me literally 20 seconds to create a VCC.

The listing is generic. 60 seconds.

I do not collect cookies. I open an account and call immediately after listing 1 item.

No. And "stealth-ized" isn't a word. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

It takes about 20 minutes (including the phone call to eBay)
You just made a public display of ignorance on a dead thread in an open forum. I'm embarrassed for you right now. :doh:

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I'm a little lost and trying to work out what part of the original post are you arguing with?

Are you saying all accounts should be working accounts and people should not have back ups?

Or is it that there are no back ups and all accounts should stand on their own outside of the persons overall business model, so each is an indavidual business?

Just can't figure what part you are saying is wrong.

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Can you read? I quoted every part of his original post and then replied to each question one by one.

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BTW, just wanted to point out how ignorant many of the "veteran" members here are.

BigCJ acting as though I'm a fool using Allybank to verify my accounts, yet own of our own vetted ACCOUNT SELLERS uses it to verify accounts.

http://www.aspkin.com/forums/paypal-...tml#post651240

If you are getting limited using Allybank, YOU are failing, not the bank. I use them regularly, and so does pr0wake. Learn how to stealth, and quit acting like the floor is lava just because you don't know how to walk.

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Yes but your argument is not making any sense.

The basic message of the post is the building of accounts as back up or to working capability without the stress but you seem to be arguing that the account should be making as much money as a mature account from the get go just by screaming at one ebay employee after another until they get bored and give in to your demands.

Maybe you should read the post again he has working accounts bringing in the money, and I think he only mentions two accounts that can be classed as maturing, the rest are mature, so why would he need to rush it in the way you seem to be demanding.

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Actually, it does.

No, his post was about creating NEW accounts and increasing the limits. NOT "buliding up" existing accounts. His method was not about "stress" but about effective account creation. He admits to spending 60+ dollars PER account, and taking MONTHS to get them to selling limits above 50 items per month. I do the same thing in 1 single day, at a cost of 5.25.

I've never screamed at an eBay employee in my life. In fact, not too long ago, I posted a video where I had a very cordial conversation with a very nice female eBay rep. My conversations with eBay reps are actually quite pleasant.


Because his method is flawed and wastes significant time and money. I'm not "demanding" anything. If you want to waste time and money with non cost effective account creation, more power to you, but as for me, I'm going to save my time and money and make accounts that have selling limits worth something right away, not twiddle my thumbs for months hoping to get a 10 item per month increase.

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So put a break down of your methods, as they did as a lot of people new to this forum tend to feel a bit lost and successful methods of how people are working tend to give people the power to continue and the more options the better I suppose.
Personally I tend to keep my methods to myself but that is an open forum thing but you have already went most of the way with your arguments so why not go the whole hog and show people an alternative method.

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I have broken down my methods in several threads and even posted a detailed video recording my phone call to eBay. The accounts sellers did not like the info being made public so they demanded the mods delete related threads, which they did.

I've been warned NOT to create new threads regarding the topic. If you want detailed info, PM me, maybe you can post your own thread with the info (you have my permission, it's not copyrighted).

Otherwise there's a GREAT resource in my sig.

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Still trumpet blowing?

GOAt, try to make sure your own posts are without errors or I will start on your ass big time.

You have one approach to doing eBay stealth. It may be OK for you. But you sure as hell do not have the right to constantly put down others who operate differently.

You also have a damn hide telling someone off replying to a thread when you yourself bumped threads to let the world know how great you are

Like I said, stop this assuming you do .

Now most boring
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Inane contribution 41091 from rsot.

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There are no errors.

Hypocrisy much?

Yes, when someone acts as if they have all the answers when they just posted a question clearly showing they do NOT, I'm going to call them out. If that upsets you, too bad.

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Troop support - be easy