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Question regarding stealth shop accounts
 

I was looking at the stealth shop accounts and see that some of the accounts for sale have starting limits like $25k and zero feedback....how is this not a huge red flag for ebay?

It doesnt make much sense that a seller would have a 25k selling limit and zero feedback.... is there something I am missing?

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The selling limits have nothing to do with the feedback. You can start with a 5/$500, 10/$1,000 doesn't matter....slow and steady.

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No, you did not miss anything. There are tricks account sellers use to create selling account with high initial starting limits. Sometimes you can even make an account with a high limit yourself. It's seemingly random the way limits are handed out. But it's definitely not a red flag in any way, because eBay is the one who gives out the selling limits.

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You stated that sometimes even you can make an account with a high selling limit yourself..but then you stated ebay is the one who gives out the selling limits?
Isnt that kind of a contradiction?

Im not saying that what you say isnt correct by any means....I just cannot follow the chain of logic here?

I was under the assumption that in order for one selling limits to get to a point where it is 25k they would have had to gradually increase their limits to that point. Don't all ebay sellers begin with $500 or $1000 limit?

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No. Like I said, it's seemingly random the way they hand out selling limits. But by no means does everyone start with a 5/$500 limit. Nothing special is done to get an account with high initial selling limits, it just happens sometimes.

For example, you could get a 1000/$25000 limit on the first stealth account you ever create, or you could create 20 stealth accounts and they all end up being 5/$500.

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You can try to learn now, there is no chain of logic.

And try not to assume because there is no chain of logic as stated above.

These comments made by the posters are the result of working within the stealth system and experiencing what ebay does.

:peace:

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Keep in mind though that a 1000/$25000 account is useless unless you plan to attach an EIN or SSN to the Paypal. Once you start approaching 200 items sold, Paypal starts pestering you for a tax ID. If you reach 200 sales (in a year) and have not provided a tax ID, your account is limited and you can't receive any more payments.

I have personally purchased 2 1000/$25000 accounts from the marketplace here. I ended up upgrading both to business accounts and they have both been flourishing for over a year now. There's nothing suspicious about a high starting selling limit - they're great for high volume sellers.

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WOW..thats crazy.. I never knew that.. i assumed everyone starting with a small selling limit..interesting.

I plan on selling high risk items....smartphones

I know most on here recommend to start slow..but if I purchase a 25k selling limit account, and I have all the documentation required from a friends info (photo ID, invoices, utility bills), do you think I can start selling closer to the 25k mark faster? Since I will have all documentation ready and at hand...all legit.

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That's a bad idea for a few reasons. First off if you're selling phones, you will have to start VERY slowly and build up to more sales. That would be the case even if this weren't a stealth account and you had all of your own documentation. That's just a very risky category to sell in, period. You will have category restrictions for the first 90 days of selling anyways. That means you will only be able to sell one phone per month.
But honestly I recommend selling lower value electronics until the category restrictions go away. It's really sketchy to start off trying to sell a phone.

It's also a bad idea to supply someone else's documentation. If you are selling $500 phones you would quickly reach the tax threshold with paypal, and have to supply and EIN or SSN. If you used your friend's SSN, your friend would receive a 1099 from Paypal in January of 2017 and be expected to pay taxes on your sales. If you're going to supply a tax ID to paypal you need to get an EIN in your own name.

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I already have an EIN in my own name
I just plan to use a friends info for the the documentation verification.
My plan is to stay slow for the first 90 days (don't have a choice anyway due to category restrictions), then after the 90 days are done to start increasing sales by 5k/month.
Opinions?

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no, your plan is flawed.

Forum found that using others ID was not benefical in the long run.

Legit info is still rejected.

Answer this: you stated you were selling high volumes before getting suspended.
What are you doing to ensure the same issues do not happen with your new accounts? It would also be essential to change business practises.

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Yes I was selling high volume.
The issues I ran into were not my fault..I was misinformed by an ebay rep..I had a below standard defect rating in the global shipping program but everything else was above standard...when I spoke with a rep they CLEARLY stated to me that below standard in global program would not have any impact on my ability to sell. There was also no notice of this from ebay to me whatsoever..the only message I got everytime i logged in was "keep up the great work you are on track to be above standard for our new policies that go into effect on feb 20th"

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What documentation verification are you talking about? I sell in the electronics category and I've never been asked to submit any documentation unless I was trying to bypass category restrictions on a new account.

You shouldn't need to supply any of your friends info if that's all you were planning to use it for. You will just upgrade your account to business and supply your EIN. I recommend upgrading your account to business after the first request for a tax ID from Paypal. DO NOT wait until your paypal account is limited to upgrade because it becomes much more difficult then.

As for the selling velocity you asked about, I would slow it down just a bit. Once you get past the first 90 days, maybe increase your sales by $1k - $2k per month for the next 90 days. After that, as long as you haven't messed up the account, you're pretty much free to increase your selling velocity by however much you want. Just make sure you pay attention to your DSR's because it sounds like that is why you lost your first account (that is also why I lost my first account).

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I'm confused here... when you buy a 1k/25k stealth account, you don't pick the information used to make the account, the info comes in stealth... are you planning to change all of that information to your friends name so you can use his docs? NOT advisable, ebay will see this happened when/if they request documents to you, and that's enough for them to shut down the account due to risk factors.

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Thanks for the response.
Everything you said makes perfect sense, so you are saying that if I upgrade to business account on paypal ebay will not ask me for info such as photo ID/utility bill etc after the first 90 days?

Also I am worried because if i give paypal my EIN info cant they then see that my name is registered in the EIN and does'nt match the stealth account info?

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You are right..my mistake..i forgot the fact that this info is supplied with the account purchase

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You won't have to supply any documents to eBay, don't worry about that.

And Paypal doesn't see you name. You submit your EIN+Business Name to them, and that's all they see. The IRS does not share any of your personal info with Paypal.

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Thnx phaz0rz. Just two more questions..if you dont mind :hail::pry:

-You said ebay wont ask for docs..but they did ask for docs with my last account (photo id/utility/invoices)?

-If I submit my EIN to paypal which is the same EIN I used in my previous account is it ok? Will my business name raise a flag?

Thnx again!

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Wow.... Any account can be asked for ID at any time by paypal/ebay.

No accounts are immune.

Was your EIN already attached to a paypal account?

Just saw your reply. This EIN is over. Can not be used again with paypal
All things you use with a new stealth account must be new.

Nothing can link to old suspended info. LINK is a danger word.

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Luckily no it was not

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You just said it was.

:juggle:

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what exactly do you mean here?

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It isn't by default they're going to demand docs... I've NEVER been ask by ebay to supply such things, both legit accounts & stealth accounts, but I don't sell electronics/high-risk, most of my items are not high-price, and none of my accounts went over $20k a month.

From what I gather their request for documents can only trigger if you're selling a lot of high-priced items, doing over over 20k in sales monthly, or selling high-risk items consistently.

Given what you sell and your target volume, you should be prepared to supply such documents.

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sorry for confusion..i did not supply paypal with EIN in previous account..my mistake.

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exactly..this is why I was in favor of using a friends info Mitsu.
Because most likely with the items I will be selling i WILL be asked to supply docs, and from what I gather when using an outside source( or yourself) to "fabricate" these docs, it seems the success rate of passing is much lower than if you use a friends genuine docs?

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While I never been asked for documents by EB I absolutely have by PP... and I've used services to supply what they were asking, and they were successful. I can't really say the success rate is lower, I don't know... but again, you can either have 1 more chance at making this work with your friends documents or you can have UNLIMITED chances by going/learning full stealth.

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I plan on doing both ;)

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Not a bad thing, it isn't popular opinion here to use friends information/docs for 'stealth', but if you have a solid relationship with this person, explain to them the risks and make sure they understand (the account may be closed and they can never use eBay again with their information/address), never use their financial information such as SSN/EIN/CCs/bank accounts... it's not a huge problem-- but AGAIN it's really no better/stronger than creating your own stealth identity.

Know that if down the line, the account becomes strong and you guys have a falling out, they can probably damage/get your account shut down by claiming identity theft.

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Info is inaccurate on two points.

It is not a given an account is not asked for ID.Users need to be prepared.

Check out what you are saying about the tax angle. Off the mark with what you are claiming

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Yes I understand, I fully trust the friend, and I already stated to him that the worst that can techinically happen is having his ebay account shut down.

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If you do everything properly and slowly build up to the point where you want to be, they shouldn't ask for any documents. They don't ask for things like that for no reason. If they think you are selling f akes or stolen goods, which is often the case when a high volume is being sold on a new account, they will request invoices just to protect themselves. But if you establish yourself as a reputable seller over time, you'll be able to sell as much as you want/can. eBay has to trust you, which means you have to be an expert in dealing with customers. Never let a case close without seller resolution, stay top rated plus, pay all your fees promptly, ship everything within your handling time with tracking, etc.. Just be a good eBay seller in general, and you will be fine.

Regarding the EIN, you can not reuse your old one. If your old business paypal account is in good standing, you technically could use the same EIN on a new paypal. But the two paypal accounts would forever be linked, and if one went down they would both go down. It's better to just apply for a new EIN and start fresh with a new business name/EIN.

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I've heard this also. But I sell well over $20k per month on my main account in an extremely high risk category. Never been asked for any documents. I always thought that was a European thing.

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I do not understand what you mean at all.

If anyone asks for ID, it was my understanding that would be paypal, and even then it's only if you are trying to withdraw after a 180 day limitation. eBay has never asked me for anything and I do some high risk stuffs. Like I said, I thought that was a European thing..

And what I said about taxes was 100% factual. I just got all of my 1099's from Paypal, I have a pretty firm grasp on how it works. None of my 1099's have my real name on them because paypal does not know my real name. They know my EIN, and I pay taxes with my EIN.

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Then you know what to try and do going forward?

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That is the risk of generalizing.
Just because it did not happen to your US accounts, does not mean it does not happen.

Going to disagree with what you said about names.



Paypal name needs to match what the IRS expects.

You seem to be saying otherwise.

You appear to be saying this
Paypal account named pyramidrojects gets asked for tax info.

Tax info is projectpyramids.

Names differs so request for tax info fails given the question asked is
Is this tax info for projectpyraminds yes/no....

Reply would be no...

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I don't understand the second paragraph^
I am just gonna create a new paypal and create new business account with paypal and use my current existing EIN.

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That's what he said isn't it? You submit your EIN+BUSINESS NAME and that's all their system will see and verify... I think he meant they will not verify the PERSONAL NAME to the EIN/business.

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The names must match...

Where is that stated?

:rolleyes:

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I read here that when you submit an EIN to paypal, they get two replies; 1.) The EIN is Valid 2.) The business name. These were threads back in 2010-2012 when I was getting started.

But furthermore, I personally have 2 pp business accounts, alive and well, under different names (not my own) linked to my EIN(s), one as a sole proprietorship, and one a LLC. Albeit these were made in 2012 and 2013 respectively... unless the game has changed when it comes to EIN and paypal linking which I've missed, this should still be possible.

Where did YOU read the personal names MUST match? I'm actually interested, because I'm building up a new account and plan to add a EIN (different personal names) once I pass the 3 month 1st sale mark on eb... so please explain.

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Never said personal names though.

Paypal name = IRS name.

Yes or no.. To be valid.

IRS told me that years ago.

They ask paypal is this the tax info for account xxxxJ . Answer needed is YES/NO.

If account is Jxxxx, it does not work.