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| Retailer77 | 02-07-2016 05:35 PM |
My plan on getting back on ebay
I spoke with a friend last night and hes cooperating with me to use his account.
We in essence will be partners.
I will be using his info to get back on ebay. He already has an ebay account in perfect standing which has sold items on it before. His limit is $1,000 for now.
We will be switching the info on his account from personal to a business account.
I will be using a static VPN to manage his account from my computer.
If ebay EVER requests docs from him it will not be an issue as he can supply everything needed. He will also be opening a bank account under his business name which will match up with paypal and ebay as well.
The cost to me? 15% of my profits will be going to him for the privilege of "renting" his information. |
| Bunneh | 02-07-2016 05:43 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
It is never a good idea to do this.
What happens when he has to start paying taxes on the money YOU earn?
If you dont pay your fee's or something goes wrong and you end up owing paypal a lot of money for buyer chargebacks etc,
they will go after your friend for the money.
If you link accounts, they will reduce the limits on the first account.
and if you use his info and you get the account suspended, his will most likely close. (and vice versa)
it has been said across the forum repeatedly, that it is not a good idea to use the info of people you know. |
| garry9061 | 02-07-2016 05:43 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
so basically your using his info and your giving him 15% of profits?
Please Stop.
Read The Stealth Book.
Understand the Stealth Book.
Use The Stealth Book.
Dont ruin a friends info through paypal and ebay so unnecessarily.
And plus, you save 15% of your profits. |
| Mitsu | 02-07-2016 05:45 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
15%? dang dude, I really don't see why you're so scared of stealth... you're really willing to give away 15% of your earnings, to basically avoid learning how to stealth... something that will benefit you for years to come and give you security in these marketplaces. |
| jeffweico | 02-07-2016 05:48 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
I also urge you to reconsider. Even if your items are 100% authentic and you have the best of intentions, things could go south, and you could end up losing a friend. The beauty of stealth is that you don't need anybody else to operate an account.
Nobody here can stop you from doing this, of course, and the choice is yours. Nobody here is trying to rain on your parade, we have just seen similar postings in the past, and it rarely ends well. |
| samspalace | 02-07-2016 05:50 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
You don't need to use somebody else's account or someone else's details to get back on eBay. It's all about stealth accounts and knowing how to operate them successfully. Read and read the stealth guide and keep reading threads and posts on the forum or ask any questions you have people will help you just like people have helped you with this thread :) |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
Look guys, the OP is determined to use his friends info....just let the OP move forward with their plan, tired of giving the same advice.... |
| cmbhuy | 02-07-2016 05:56 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
i'll let you use my info for 12.5% |
| Retailer77 | 02-07-2016 05:56 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
Quote:
Originally Posted by MM78
(Post 745425)
Look guys, the OP is determined to use his friends info....just let the OP move forward with their plan, tired of giving the same advice....
| The point that seems to consistently get overlooked here is the fact that I will be using GENUINE information if and when ebay asks for docs....this is the PRIMARY reason I am functioning through his account.
At least I will have clarity of mind when ebay asks for id verification that I didn't have to use some "sketchy" or illegal service to "create" a ⊗⊗⊗⊗ id and utility bill. :nono: |
| garry9061 | 02-07-2016 05:59 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retailer77
(Post 745427)
The point that seems to consistently get overlooked here is the fact that I will be using GENUINE information if and when ebay asks for docs....this is the PRIMARY reason I am functioning through his account.
At least I will have clarity of mind when ebay asks for id verification that I didn't have to use some "sketchy" or illegal service to "create" a ⊗⊗⊗⊗ id and utility bill. :nono:
| and you seem to be overlooking the fact, you have thousands of well experieced users here, all in the same boat and say what would happen if your defect rate dropped on something similar, your screwed |
| cmbhuy | 02-07-2016 05:59 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retailer77
(Post 745427)
The point that seems to consistently get overlooked here is the fact that I will be using GENUINE information if and when ebay asks for docs....this is the PRIMARY reason I am functioning through his account.
At least I will have clarity of mind when ebay asks for id verification that I didn't have to use some "sketchy" or illegal service to "create" a ⊗⊗⊗⊗ id and utility bill. :nono:
| Why don't you get a legitimate LLC, an EIN and open a real company as a business if you want clarity of mind. |
| Retailer77 | 02-07-2016 06:01 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
Quote:
Originally Posted by cmbhuy
(Post 745430)
Why don't you get a legitimate LLC, an EIN and open a real company as a business if you want clarity of mind.
| And what happens if they inquire for who the principal owner of the company is?
What happens when they inquire for utility info and photo id verification?
Im still screwed.. |
| Retailer77 | 02-07-2016 06:03 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
Quote:
Originally Posted by garry9061
(Post 745429)
and you seem to be overlooking the fact, you have thousands of well experieced users here, all in the same boat and say what would happen if your defect rate dropped on something similar, your screwed
| The rules that go into effect feb 20th make it quite hard for defect rate to go below standard.
The two factors that can effect it are:
1) cases closed without seller resolution
2) late shipping |
| garry9061 | 02-07-2016 06:03 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retailer77
(Post 745431)
And what happens if they inquire for who the principal owner of the company is?
What happens when they inquire for utility info and photo id verification?
Im still screwed..
| listen, buddy, your a novice stealther like many others, listen to the higher classes advice eg. Jeffweico, Bunneh |
| Retailer77 | 02-07-2016 06:04 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
Quote:
Originally Posted by garry9061
(Post 745434)
listen, buddy, your a novice stealther like many others, listen to the higher classes advice eg. Jeffweico, Bunneh
| Thanks, but once again no one is really addressing the point I am making |
| samspalace | 02-07-2016 06:04 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
You don't even need to set up as a limited company this is the beauty of stealth accounts. When PayPal ask for docs you just speak to someone in the marketplace or look on google. |
| garry9061 | 02-07-2016 06:07 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retailer77
(Post 745435)
Thanks, but once again no one is really addressing the point I am making
| fine, ill give it less than 6 months and we will see another thread from you 'i screwed up, i should haave listened to everyone else'
Open up your mind to more knowledgable people some times. It helps alot. |
| Retailer77 | 02-07-2016 06:10 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
OMG...look I understand I may be "new" to this. There are plenty more experienced users with stealth and I respect them.
BUT
The point I am making seems to be getting overlooked with generic responses like "just dont do it" or "learn more first."
The primary point I am trying to make is:
I will be using GENUINE information. If and when ebay asks for docs....this is the PRIMARY reason I am functioning through a friends account.
I will have clarity of mind when ebay asks for id verification that I didn't have to use some "sketchy" or illegal service to "create" an id and utility bill.
I sell HIGH RISK CATEGORY items....which means more than likely ebay WILL ask me for such information. If the SLIGHTEST detail doesnt match up, or the "id" I provide doesnt look genuine enough..they wont hesitate to shut me down.
With all due respect..I am trying to be as CLEAR as possible. |
| Bunneh | 02-07-2016 06:11 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retailer77
(Post 745427)
The point that seems to consistently get overlooked here is the fact that I will be using GENUINE information if and when ebay asks for docs....this is the PRIMARY reason I am functioning through his account.
At least I will have clarity of mind when ebay asks for id verification that I didn't have to use some "sketchy" or illegal service to "create" a ⊗⊗⊗⊗ id and utility bill. :nono:
| If what you are implying is identity theft then, you have it wrong.
When you use stealth, the user on the stealth account does NOT exist.
When you use a REAL persons ID that is identity theft.
So i hope for your sake your ''friendship'' doesnt go sour. |
| garry9061 | 02-07-2016 06:13 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retailer77
(Post 745438)
OMG...look I understand I may be "new" to this. There are plenty more experienced users with stealth and I respect them.
BUT
The point I am making seems to be getting overlooked with generic responses like "just dont do it" or "learn more first."
The primary point I am trying to make is:
I will be using GENUINE information. If and when ebay asks for docs....this is the PRIMARY reason I am functioning through a friends account.
I will have clarity of mind when ebay asks for id verification that I didn't have to use some "sketchy" or illegal service to "create" an id and utility bill.
I sell HIGH RISK CATEGORY items....which means more than likely ebay WILL ask me for such information. If the SLIGHTEST detail doesnt match up, or the "id" I provide doesnt look genuine enough..they wont hesitate to shut me down.
With all due respect..I am trying to be as CLEAR as possible.
| but the thing which you refuse to realise, ebay and paypal are dicks, use stealth and dont potentially upset and lose a friend. |
| samspalace | 02-07-2016 06:14 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
The more accounts you have the better for you if anything happened to one account you have other accounts to operate from.
Bunnehs recent answer is spot on and probably the best answer your going to get now. |
| Bunneh | 02-07-2016 06:14 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retailer77
(Post 745438)
OMG...look I understand I may be "new" to this. There are plenty more experienced users with stealth and I respect them.
BUT
The point I am making seems to be getting overlooked with generic responses like "just dont do it" or "learn more first."
The primary point I am trying to make is:
I will be using GENUINE information. If and when ebay asks for docs....this is the PRIMARY reason I am functioning through a friends account.
I will have clarity of mind when ebay asks for id verification that I didn't have to use some "sketchy" or illegal service to "create" an id and utility bill.
I sell HIGH RISK CATEGORY items....which means more than likely ebay WILL ask me for such information. If the SLIGHTEST detail doesnt match up, or the "id" I provide doesnt look genuine enough..they wont hesitate to shut me down.
With all due respect..I am trying to be as CLEAR as possible.
|
The point you are missing is, if you ruin your account by listing high risk to soon, getting horrible DSR ratings, getting competitors shut you down or whatever else... if you go down YOUR FRIEND GOES DOWN TO.
Because his info will get flagged.
Everyone else on the forum manages stealth fine, why cant you~?? |
| yankee | 02-07-2016 06:15 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retailer77
(Post 745435)
Thanks, but once again no one is really addressing the point I am making
| Your points are all paranoia. All those things have been addressed countless times on this forum.
Your plan is horrendous. Hundreds if not thousands of threads from members who insist on this incredibly risky path you are taking with horrible results and losses.
Anyways, I wish you luck! |
| Retailer77 | 02-07-2016 06:16 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunneh
(Post 745439)
If what you are implying is identity theft then, you have it wrong.
When you use stealth, the user on the stealth account does NOT exist.
When you use a REAL persons ID that is identity theft.
So i hope for your sake your ''friendship'' doesnt go sour.
| Ummm....I am pretty sure "fabricating" a ⊗⊗⊗⊗ utility bill and photo ID is not exactly kosher.
In my situation it is not identity theft....I am technically an "employee" of the business name we will have registered under ebay..sounds alot safer to me than creating creating docs that arent real and in turn would naturally have a higher probability of getting rejected for verification and in turn having an account shut down that you patiently built up.. |
| Retailer77 | 02-07-2016 06:18 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee
(Post 745444)
Your points are all paranoia. All those things have been addressed countless times on this forum.
Your plan is horrendous. Hundreds if not thousands of threads from members who insist on this incredibly risky path you are taking with horrible results and losses.
Anyways, I wish you luck!
| Im sorry but you are still not answering the legit concerns I posted earlier.
If just ONE person could address the issues I gave specifically it would be nice |
| GreenBean | 02-07-2016 06:18 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
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| Bunneh | 02-07-2016 06:19 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retailer77
(Post 745445)
Ummm....I am pretty sure "fabricating" a ⊗⊗⊗⊗ utility bill and photo ID is not exactly kosher.
In my situation it is not identity theft....I am technically an "employee" of the business name we will have registered under ebay..sounds alot safer to me than creating creating docs that arent real and in turn would naturally have a higher probability of getting rejected for verification and in turn having an account shut down that you patiently built up..
| You dont listen. You will ruin your friends ebay account with your high risk items.
You dont get it, its not about the docs.
If you sell high risk items, and paypal does not like you or your business model, they will permanently shut your account down, regardless if you are real person with real docs or not.
Your account can close with anything you are doing wrong.
I dont know why you come to this forum for help and advice and go against it anyway? |
| yankee | 02-07-2016 06:21 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retailer77
(Post 745445)
Ummm....I am pretty sure "fabricating" a ⊗⊗⊗⊗ utility bill and photo ID is not exactly kosher.
In my situation it is not identity theft....I am technically an "employee" of the business name we will have registered under ebay..sounds alot safer to me than creating creating docs that arent real and in turn would naturally have a higher probability of getting rejected for verification and in turn having an account shut down that you patiently built up..
|
SO what you are saying is you have ZERO experience and are paranoid?
Tin foil hat anyone? We need a tin hat picture for this thread:rolleyes:
All joking aside, I bet you have a hard time finding one thread about failed docs in the USA but I know you can find HUNDREDS of failed plans like yours.
Now, being very serious, you are going to go forward with this mess no matter what. You are going to take the experience of the 60,000 members on this forum as wrong and invaluable no matter what, so why even have this thread? |
| cmbhuy | 02-07-2016 06:21 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
forget it guys, he didn't start this thread for help he just wanted to let us know his plan. |
| Mitsu | 02-07-2016 06:22 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retailer77
(Post 745438)
I sell HIGH RISK CATEGORY items....which means more than likely ebay WILL ask me for such information. If the SLIGHTEST detail doesnt match up, or the "id" I provide doesnt look genuine enough..they wont hesitate to shut me down.
| Didn't phaz0rz tell you he sells similar products, in a high risk category, well over 20k on each, EIN attached, across 2 accounts that are completely proper stealth (bought from the marketplace)? He even gave you his blue-print.
Look, again, I know it's frustrating man, everyone knows the first time around is stressful and scary, everything is new to you, and they'd rather find the easiest and comfiest way to get to their goal-- but now you want to use your friends financial information and not just his address/name, and on top NOW of that you're doing all the work and giving him 15% of your profits... this is NOT a good idea. |
| Bunneh | 02-07-2016 06:22 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
Quote:
Originally Posted by cmbhuy
(Post 745450)
forget it guys, he didn't start this thread for help he just wanted to let us know his plan.
| He is probably another troll :boink: |
| Retailer77 | 02-07-2016 06:27 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunneh
(Post 745452)
He is probably another troll :boink:
| No.. I am not a troll..and my intentions are not "bad" in anyway.
I was simply trying to make a point....
I have read several older threads from the aspkin forums where users state that this is the only thing that stealth fails at....which is when ebay asks for docs.
If it was the case that ebay would never ask for a photo ID for verification I would understand stealth would be the way to go....but I just dont see how to get around this particular scenario if ones docs are not genuine. |
| Bunneh | 02-07-2016 06:28 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retailer77
(Post 745457)
No.. I am not a troll..and my intentions are not "bad" in anyway.
I was simply trying to make a point....
I have read several older threads from the aspkin forums where users state that this is the only thing that stealth fails at....which is when ebay asks for docs.
If it was the case that ebay would never ask for a photo ID for verification I would understand stealth would be the way to go....but I just dont see how to get around this particular scenario if ones docs are not genuine.
| Like i said, real or not its going to fail for you.
and you will lose a friend in the process to.. good luck with that. |
| cmbhuy | 02-07-2016 06:28 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunneh
(Post 745452)
He is probably another troll :boink:
| No worries, when his "genuine" information gets blocked from eBay, all he has to do is make more friends, seems like a long term stealth strategy to me. |
| GreenBean | 02-07-2016 06:29 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenBean
(Post 745447)
| Read this and stop talking in the manner you are. |
| Mitsu | 02-07-2016 06:30 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retailer77
(Post 745457)
No.. I am not a troll..and my intentions are not "bad" in anyway.
I was simply trying to make a point....
I have read several older threads from the aspkin forums where users state that this is the only thing that stealth fails at....which is when ebay asks for docs.
If it was the case that ebay would never ask for a photo ID for verification I would understand stealth would be the way to go....but I just dont see how to get around this particular scenario if ones docs are not genuine.
| Why don't you just try stealth first before using friends info? Get to that problem, then see your options on how to tackle it... if you buy from a seller in the marketplace they will support & advise you with such things. They will tell you how fast to list, advise how to make an account last-- these people support dozens if not hundreds of sellers and know all the problems that can arise, and possible solutions. |
| garry9061 | 02-07-2016 06:31 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retailer77
(Post 745457)
No.. I am not a troll..and my intentions are not "bad" in anyway.
I was simply trying to make a point....
I have read several older threads from the aspkin forums where users state that this is the only thing that stealth fails at....which is when ebay asks for docs.
If it was the case that ebay would never ask for a photo ID for verification I would understand stealth would be the way to go....but I just dont see how to get around this particular scenario if ones docs are not genuine.
| look, your on this thread for a reason, ebay closed you down, now dont even dare tell me they cant or they wont close you down again. we are all here for the very same reasons.
I have answered your points several times but each time you over look me like a ignorant.
Apologies for being rude but you have infuriated us all at this stage from your stupidity. |
| Retailer77 | 02-07-2016 06:31 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunneh
(Post 745458)
Like i said, real or not its going to fail for you.
and you will lose a friend in the process to.. good luck with that.
| And can you explain why ebay would just "decide" that even someone with all legit documentation gets shut down?
What would be the logical reason? |
| yankee | 02-07-2016 06:32 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retailer77
(Post 745464)
And can you explain why ebay would just "decide" that even someone with all legit documentation gets shut down?
What would be the logical reason?
| Well, why did you get suspended in the first place?
Common, use your head...This is just annoying at this point.
Go on with your plan. You are one of those people who learn the hard way it seems. |
| cmbhuy | 02-07-2016 06:32 PM |
Re: My plan on getting back on ebay
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retailer77
(Post 745464)
And can you explain why ebay would just "decide" that even someone with all legit documentation gets shut down?
What would be the logical reason?
| whats the logical reason you cannot use your own information. |
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