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Got letter saying i am under investigation for selling *big copyrighted company* products on EB.
Says they have commenced preparation of court proceedings which will seek injuction, payment of damages, legal costs.

Only way to avoid claim being chased up is if i submit to a consent order granting the *big copyrighted company* the relief it wants.

Letters says I should expect to get service of the proceedings in 1 weeks time.

Please any help would be appriciated, i've searched the forum and seen a few similar threads, is this nothing to worry about or something to worry about a lot?

Not a stealth account but has been treated as such in terms of logging in with mobile IP's never the same IP twice. I'm thinking along the lines of my ebay got hacked
FROM UK btw
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Got letter saying i am under investigation for selling *big copyrighted company* products on EB.
Says they have commenced preparation of court proceedings which will seek injuction, payment of damages, legal costs.

Only way to avoid claim being chased up is if i submit to a consent order granting the *big copyrighted company* the relief it wants.

Letters says I should expect to get service of the proceedings in 1 weeks time.

Please any help would be appriciated, i've searched the forum and seen a few similar threads, is this nothing to worry about or something to worry about a lot?

Not a stealth account but has been treated as such in terms of logging in with mobile IP's never the same IP twice. I'm thinking along the lines of my ebay got hacked
FROM UK btw
Thankyou for your time in reading.
If the account is in your name, the best thing to do is go to a lawyer and have him prepare a cease and desist letter for you. Do NOT sign a cease and desist letter that was sent to you by the other party and do NOT try to write one on your own. The cost for the lawyer will be way lower than the cost when you do it all by yourself and mess it up in the end.
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THanks for the advice. If i get a cease and desist letter drafter from my lawyer, is this likely to stop me from having to pay damages? Not sure how it all works.
And is it advised to get a specialised lawyer or can any lawyer do the job?

Also the fact i got 'hacked' won't hold?

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THanks for the advice. If i get a cease and desist letter drafter from my lawyer, is this likely to stop me from having to pay damages? Not sure how it all works.
And is it advised to get a specialised lawyer or can any lawyer do the job?

Also the fact i got 'hacked' won't hold?

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No the "Hacked" thing will probably not work. There are some tricks that might work, but can't go into detail here.

You don't need a specialized lawyer, any lawyer should be able to help you in that matter. Once you signed the cease and desist letter you'll have to pay for your own lawyers fee and in most cases for the opposites lawyers fee.

However, get a lawyer for this as fast as possible. I know paying lawyers fees sucks, but it's way cheaper than a temporary restraining order or even taking it to court.

I am a German lawyer, so I can't say 100% how things work in the UK. However systems are pretty similar when it comes to IP laws. Everything I said above is NOT a legal advise. I advise you to get a lawyer in the UK and talk things through. In my experience this is the cheapest way to get out of things like this. GL
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No the "Hacked" thing will probably not work. There are some tricks that might work, but can't go into detail here.

You don't need a specialized lawyer, any lawyer should be able to help you in that matter. Once you signed the cease and desist letter you'll have to pay for your own lawyers fee and in most cases for the opposites lawyers fee.

However, get a lawyer for this as fast as possible. I know paying lawyers fees sucks, but it's way cheaper than a temporary restraining order or even taking it to court.

I am a German lawyer, so I can't say 100% how things work in the UK. However systems are pretty similar when it comes to IP laws. Everything I said above is NOT a legal advise. I advise you to get a lawyer in the UK and talk things through. In my experience this is the cheapest way to get out of things like this. GL
You don't understand how much I appreciate you commenting and helping me on this matter. Could you possibly PM me with another means of contact so that we could dicuss the 'trick'. i tried to PM you but it did not allow me.

Once again I highly appreciate your time.
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THanks for the advice. If i get a cease and desist letter drafter from my lawyer, is this likely to stop me from having to pay damages? Not sure how it all works.
And is it advised to get a specialised lawyer or can any lawyer do the job?

Also the fact i got 'hacked' won't hold?

Thanks
Sadly the I got hacked will not work.

Legal sdvise with a Uk authorised agent is your best option. Do not ignore this notice. , It is is extremly serious and has repercussions for your future.

Thete are no UK lawyers here. You need to take legal advixe NOW.. dachilla’s advice is most helpful.

Best wishes aas you deal with this matter.

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Sadly the I got hacked will not work.

Legal sdvise with a Uk authorised agent is your best option. Do not ignore this notice. , It is is extremly serious and has repercussions for your future.

Thete are no UK lawyers here. You need to take legal advixe NOW.. dachilla’s advice is most helpful.

Best wishes aas you deal with this matter.

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Thankyou, im currently trying to find a lawyer now. Unforunately its a saturday and i need to respond by wednesday next week
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Got letter saying i am under investigation for selling *big copyrighted company* products on EB.
Says they have commenced preparation of court proceedings which will seek injuction, payment of damages, legal costs.

Only way to avoid claim being chased up is if i submit to a consent order granting the *big copyrighted company* the relief it wants.

Letters says I should expect to get service of the proceedings in 1 weeks time.

Please any help would be appriciated, i've searched the forum and seen a few similar threads, is this nothing to worry about or something to worry about a lot?

Not a stealth account but has been treated as such in terms of logging in with mobile IP's never the same IP twice. I'm thinking along the lines of my ebay got hacked
FROM UK btw
Thankyou for your time in reading.
Donald the Askpin guy is a Lawyer, ask him
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I'm not a lawyer.

However...

Sounds like they're on a fishing expedition. Wait until you get the letter, if you do, and go from there. Don't sign anything. Don't admit anything. Don't say anything. They may be hoping you panic and throw money at them to make it go away.

Is their complaint correct? Did you do what they said you did? How much money is involved?
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I'm not a lawyer.

However...

Sounds like they're on a fishing expedition. Wait until you get the letter, if you do, and go from there. Don't sign anything. Don't admit anything. Don't say anything. They may be hoping you panic and throw money at them to make it go away.

Is their complaint correct? Did you do what they said you did? How much money is involved?
He already got a letter, and that's not a fishing expedition.

@op Do not wait for a letter from the court. This is a typical scenario where they want you to sign a cease and desist. If you sold stuff that you'd better not sell (and i assume so) then get a lawyer who writes the cease and desist for you. Don't write it on your own, get a professional and let him do it.

Do not sign anything you got from the opposite party, do not call them. Do not panic.

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Attorneys send threatening letters all the time.

Letters are cheap, they cost $.50 to mail + the printing cost, and they're pre-written, they just fill in the name and address, a clerk does hundreds of them a day and they don't require even 1 minute of real lawyer time.

My lawyer used to charge me $50 to send a threatening letter. Nothing, really.

They're cheap and effective, they scare the person being threatened who has never dealt with anything much legal and who doesn't know any better.

Filing a court action costs time and money - not a lot, but some. You can file for around $100-150 depending on the jurisdiction. Once again, a clerk handles it, and it's really cheap if it gets the result you want.

The goal is to get a maximum result with the minimum cost.

Following through on an action, and actually going to court - now THAT costs quite a bit. That's reserved for really serious matters.

A letter doesn't mean anything is going to happen. They want this guy to stop what he's doing. They want to scare him straight.

Right now this is a fishing expedition.
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Attorneys send threatening letters all the time.

Letters are cheap, they cost $.50 to mail + the printing cost, and they're pre-written, they just fill in the name and address, a clerk does hundreds of them a day and they don't require even 1 minute of real lawyer time.

My lawyer used to charge me $50 to send a threatening letter. Nothing, really.

They're cheap and effective, they scare the person being threatened who has never dealt with anything much legal and who doesn't know any better.

Filing a court action costs time and money - not a lot, but some. You can file for around $100-150 depending on the jurisdiction. Once again, a clerk handles it, and it's really cheap if it gets the result you want.

The goal is to get a maximum result with the minimum cost.

Following through on an action, and actually going to court - now THAT costs quite a bit. That's reserved for really serious matters.

A letter doesn't mean anything is going to happen. They want this guy to stop what he's doing. They want to scare him straight.

Right now this is a fishing expedition.
You don't know the case in detail, so how can you advice him to just try and sit it out?

I understand that threatening other sellers with a letter from a lawyer is pretty common practice and that it's not a good idea to overreact.

However, if you pay a lawyer 50 bucks for a threatening letter, he might as well spend the 50 bucks and let a professional have a look at the letter he got. Who knows, maybe the letter isn't from a small green-eyed ebay competitor but from Apple, SpaceX or some other bigass company who of course will take things to court in the blink of an eye and then you're in a world of ****.

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What dallis said about lawyers sending out tons of letter is true, I had one letter sent from Johnson and Pham for selling my store purchased item on ebay (on my 1st real account). Did a lot of research and just ignored it. All that being said, the OP does need a lawyer.
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*big copyrighted company* products pretty much sums it up
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It's all a matter of scale. Apple isn't going to take somebody to court over $50 of infringing product.

He should immediately stop doing whatever it was that ticked them off. That's really their goal.

And if the OP is worried he/she should talk to an attorney.
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Been there, got the tee shirt.

It is definately a fishing trip. How on earth can they have started the preparation of court proceedings - you haven't been charged with anything yet!

Ignore all correspondence. Do not reply. If....and its a big if.....they did persue you then they need to quantify their loss. Good luck with that one too.

These are scabby little legal firms looking to scare folk into paying THEM a fee for not recommending legal action to their clients. The 'big company' knows nothing of their action nor will they know if you stupidly shell out to these sheisters.

I'll say it again in case you missed it....DO NOT REPLY - EVER!

It goes without saying that you stop selling any wares from said company.

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Johnson and Pham is famous for mass C&D mailing crap to people.

I got a couple of those before and just threw them in the trash and nothing became of it. Of course, I don't recommend you do that will all communications. Best to seek advise of a professional first.
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I got a couple of those before and just threw them in the trash and nothing became of it. Of course, I don't recommend you do that will all communications. Best to seek advise of a professional first.
Love the contradictions in the statement hah
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How on earth can they have started the preparation of court proceedings - you haven't been charged with anything yet!

This would be a civil matter, there won't be any 'charges' as such. 'Charges' generally refer to criminal complaints brought by a state or federal prosecutor.

In this case the rights holder would allege damages in a civil action, ie a lawsuit, and a judge would decide if the complainant deserves redress. There's no potential jail time in this kind of a suit, unless an officer of the court refers it to a state's attorney for possible prosecution. In that case the state's attorney would decide if the complaint had merit, and whether or not to prosecute.

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Don't tell them anything, don't admit to anything. If they start to do something then figure it out. Right now you just have a letter, anyone can send them and say anything.

For them to really be doing something to you, they need to have bought something from you to confirm it's not authentic.

Check your sales and see if you think that might be possible.

The biggest thing to keep in mind here is what do they want?

And also if they were going to do something, why on earth would they tell you about it first.
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Unless it was a typo, the poster said in his first paragrapgh the letter said xyz. But further down in the pist, he wrote letters advice xyz info.

Are there one or rwo letters? Hmmm.

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