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Hello what is fair price for a good VPS ? and can I use shared (cheaper) VPS to manage ebay/amazon/paypal accounts or I'll get in trouble?

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Of course you would not consider sharing and being a cheapskate.

Always have your own dedicated access to any selling platform.

Never share.

Your idea of fair and mine would differ.

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I see price ranges from $10 up to hundreds my fair is $10 :dance:

And is the 256 MB of DDR3 15 GB of SSD Storage 1x 3.40 GHz CPU would be enough to manage the accounts ?
Thank you

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You need to make sure you get a static dedicated ip and use a reliable company that is not overused

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It's not an option I would take.

But I suggest you look carefully at the signature of the poster above me.....
eBay Suspension & Paypal Limited Forums - View Profile: 123

123 has a most viable solution for you

;)

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Just bought a VPS from somewhere buffalo NY for $5 a month its got Windows Server 2003 Standard (x86) with 525 ram 2.11 Ghz and 20gb space. and I can tell you it freaking sucks ... so slow can freaking scroll down or up normally Ebay webpage can't operate like that.What are the minimum requirements I should look for maybe its just old 2003 windows server like that and I should upgrade to 2012 one ?
Thank you

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What would you expect for 5 bucks? A decent Windows VPS will cost you around 20 usd per month. If you plan to do a lot of stealth, your personal dedicated server is a must.

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How can I set up a personal dedicated server to be able to create domains that I can log into from inside the server virtually?

Is it possible to do this?

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Please dont believe what this person is saying about a dedicated server is a must. I run a lot of stealths and their definitely not on a dedicated server, lol. No disrespect to this member, but i just hate seeing false information.

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why pay for an IP address when they are free. Like Phone Tethering? or altering mac address ???

whats the advantage? especially if it doesnt HAVE to be dedicated?

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Yes it does SilentHill, otherwise it would be you and possibly hundreds of others all using same ipaddress, you don't think ebay/PayPal might notice that?, in which case it would be bye bye to your accounts. If you want the best most secure way of operating stealth accounts you can't go cheap, you HAVE to pay for it.

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it should be very VERY RARE. for someone to come acroos my IP address while using my home internet and different Router Mac addresses.
this to me seems impossible.



I said it doesn't HAVE to be dedicated because of what thready said.

I honestly see it more beneficial to have a STATIC VPS.

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More and more people are ending up on this forum after thinking they can make mistakes and their will be no comeback for those mistakes on their accounts, they get accounts linked and then wonder why they lose them, thready's comment about dedicated VPN's not being essential is at best naive, at worst any one who follows that advice coukd lose their accounts!

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Get a static ip per ebay account.
Multi task on multiple ebay accounts at the same time.
No need to keep ip logs
Its really cheap
I don't have to connect and disconnect every time i want to access another ebay or paypal account.

Just a few things that came to mind.

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Why is my message naive?
I did my homework.
My accounts been up over a year and a half now.

I only lost 1 account and it wasn't because of being linked via images, products, ip, account details, etc. It was because a product I sold had a high defect rate so they stopped letting me sell. They warned me but I was trying to get rid of it. Even though I fully refunded my buyers the defect rate was too bad on that item. It cost me my account.

Thats a bit naive for you to say such a thing without knowing what I know about stealth.

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Clearly you don't know the difference between VPS and a dedicated server.

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You comment about VPN's not needing to be dedicated was quite naive thready, you already had one person reposting your sentiment then admitting they had done it because you had!, people are of course free to make up their own minds anyway, but as you already have lots of accounts maybe wiser to be little more careful about statements that may be adopted by new members of the forum who still have a great deal to learn.

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Where did i ever even used the acronym VPN? Please point that out.

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In case a member is unable to read my messages properly, I will try to make it clear in this message.


I DO NOT RECOMMEND USING A VPN TO CONNECT TO YOUR EB OR PP ACCOUNTS

I DO NOT RECOMMEND USING A VPN TO CONNECT TO YOUR EB OR PP ACCOUNTS

I DO NOT RECOMMEND USING A VPN TO CONNECT TO YOUR EB OR PP ACCOUNTS

vps is good though.

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I have GREAT IDEA ! Why don't you guys just use the TOR network?

IT'S FREE!!!

You will LOSE YOUR ACCOUNTS, but it is FREE!!!
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VPS's CAN be used successfully. But if you want a Windows VPS, be prepared to pay $20 or $30 per month. Make sure that an IP is dedicated to your account! And, avoid the well-known providers and the $5 wonders - eBay/PayPal/Amazon know the IP address ranges of the popular providers and will shut you down. The $5 wonders go out of business unannounced and then you are left scrambling to find a replacement and the changes put your account at risk. And the $10 Windows VPS's are mostly using UNLICENSED (illegal) software. When they get shut down, do you want to kiss YOUR account bye-bye as well?

COME ON PEOPLE! Have some common sense! If you are going to do this AND you want it to WORK you need to PAY a reasonable amount of money for it! Because the old adage "you get what you pay for" is TRUE. If you go into stealth with the idea that everything must be had FOR FREE, you might as well give up right now, because you are SETTING YOURSELF UP FOR FAILURE! Seriously!

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Full respect for JW!

Although I do believe with knowledge (doing your homework) it will save you money. :)

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Yes, you CAN save money. EVERY business looks to minimize it's costs, and I am no exception. But minimizing costs at the expense of account safety is just stupid.

A good eBay account can pull in up to $5,000 per month in sales once it is fully up and running. Do you want to potentially lose that account because the $5 VPS wonder you chose suddenly went out of business with no warning? Or, because you wanted to save the $10 per month it costs to maintain a working phone number?

Expect to pay between $20 and $30 per month for a GOOD VPS and a working phone number. If you want to save money, then LEARN LINUX! Anything less than that is a SERIOUS RISK TO YOUR ACCOUNT!

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Minimizing your expenses arrogantly is definitely stupid. But if you use knowledge to do it then your usually good.

Of course you wouldn't want to lose any account. Why would you not have back up accounts causing you to go out of business? You play the game. You only dish out what you can handle. Plan ahead.

You can save thousands at the end of the year. As in your example, if you go from $20-$30 per vps down to $5 per VPS, and you run over 30 ebay accounts that would translate into a lot of savings.

If you want to save money learn to use your VPS in other ways than a Remote Desktop PC. Does not matter if you using linux or windows if you figure out other ways to use your VPS.

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The problem with the $5 VPS's are twofold. First, they are overused and sometimes eBay discovers them. They can be slow, because to make a profit, the VPS provider has to cram a gazillion users onto one server. Also, they tend to close up shop and disappear. One day, you cannot log in to your VPS. So, you go to their website to see what is going on and open a ticket, but you don't get an answer. You go to Webmastertalk and find out that several others are having the same issue. Then one user posts that they went out of business.

Now, you have to scramble to find another VPS provider in the same area. Your IP and machine will change. eBay, Amazon and PayPal will detect that. That will not necessarily cause you to lose an account, but it COULD.

How do I know this? Because I have been there and done that. I have been doing stealth for more than 5 years now. I have used VPN's, VPS's, USB sticks, tethering, hotspots, dial-up, cable, dsl, you name it. I can take a Linux VPS and make it a desktop with Firefox and open an eBay, Amazon and PayPal account in less than an hour.

And YES, I have MANY backup accounts. Nothing will put me completely out of business. eBay did that ONCE... ONCE! I vowed I would NEVER let that happen again.

You mentioned 30 accounts. So, lets use your example. Let us assume that 15 are active, producing accounts and 15 are backups. 15 accounts, each producing $2,500 per month in sales = $37,500 in gross sales. If your profits are 20% when all is said and done, then your income, before taxes is $7,500 per month.

Your cost for the 30 VPS's at $20 per month each is $600. By moving to $5 providers, you can save $450 per month and increase your income to $7,950. Is the extra $450 worth putting one or more of your active, producing accounts at risk? If it is worth it to you, then go ahead and do it. Me, I'll take the safer road.

My stealth setup costs more money than most. Some people here have told me that I am paranoid. Maybe that is true. But I am an older person. I support 7 people, 2 dogs and 3 cats. I cannot afford to lose accounts. And my setup keeps me relatively safe. Whenever eBay, Amazon or PayPal make changes, we see forum posts of users losing their accounts. I am almost never affected by the changes. Why? Because I go above and beyond what is recommended in the stealth guide.

I have also seen, over 5 years, users come and go. The ones who are successful - the ones who have been here for years - are the same users who have setups similar to mine. Not the SAME, mind you, because we each do what works for us individually. The ones who claim IP's are not important, or that insist it is OK to re-use bank accounts, or claim they can use the same name on 5 accounts are the same ones who are members here for 6 months. They give up, frustrated and moan and groan that stealth does not work in the long run. But that is not true. Stealth, done properly, works just fine.

At the end of the day, each person must do what works for THEM. So, if you are set on using the $5 providers, then by all means, have at it. But I think people should know the risks involved. Sometimes you can go broke trying to save money. Penny wise and pound foolish. Or as my grandmother always said, sometimes cheap is dear.

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I am not providing with a false info. I am providing with a solid info. Of course, it is possible to do stuff from 1 ip, or tons of different dynamic ips, work for half of year building accounts, then lose them all in one day and cry here again. For God sake, If your account earns you 1000 usd per month, what is 30 usd to make it safe and unlinkable? If your account makes very low profit, it seems that you should sell something different, not trying to cut costs on your setup and lose everything.

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Then you might want to continue looking. Its not a MUST to run on a dedicated server. A VPS is just fine

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You don't need a dedicated SERVER, but a dedicated IP is preferred. In fact most VPS's include at least ONE dedicated IPv4 IP and will sell you more for $1 per month.

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You guys did not read why I am recommending dedicated servers all over the forum. It is just because if you have a server and a pack of dedicated IPs, you can create 10s of VMs in a couple of clicks, and every VM will cost you nothing, as all dedicated server's resources belong solely to you, and you may slice it into almost any number of VMs (unless RAM, CPU and HDD allows). Of course, one can operate dynamic dongle IPs and several windows accounts from the same PC, and someday cry that he got linked and lost everything he was building for several months.

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Yes, you are correct, if you are looking for MANY VPS's, then a dedicated server is a good option. My responses were based on having ONE VPS. Not everyone will wants dozens of them from the start. Also, I like to have my IP's show up in different areas.

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We both definitely handle the same situation differently when it comes to VPS.

If you use your VPS methods in other ways, you wont be stressing the limitations of RAM, CPU, or Hard Disk space imposed by the VPS provider.

Say one day your VPS decides to close shop, but because you took time to learn other ways to use your VPS and take time to learned how things work and determined its best do everything on your own PC(not on some VPS). So you have your the original machine and cookies on a PC at your fingertips. No need setup a new VPS all over again, no need for the VPS to run Windows OS.

Because you lose your first VPS your ip address changes when you obtain another VPS. You log in to eBay, and eBay detects your IP changed, but sees that you still sees you logging in from the same device and you have all your cookie history. eBay is satisified. Business as usual.

Your back in business as fast as you can rent another VPS.




Base on my example, with the knowledge I have about how ebay, paypal, networking, and computers work I would have to say its worth it. At the end of the year thats $5400 (based on 30 accounts not actual accounts)

When i started stealth I did feel some things were risking other accounts. Now, I don't feel that I'm putting my any of my accounts at risk on behalf of another. Naturally, if I feel that something I'm doing puts all my accounts at risk I would address it. I'm not the type of person who "hopes" or "guess" it works. I research & test information. And at the end of it, its either a satisfactorily resolution or there isn't.

I have total respect for your methods. I started off similiar to the ways you currently run your operating now. I am a bit paranoid person myself, but I continue to inform myself and test the system which teaches me new things everyday.

I wouldn't just assume that since users come, go and don't come back means they have failed. For me, thats actually a sign of growing as we tend to have less time to sit on a forum and chat away. I'm not nearly as active on this forum as I've been since I started stealth. The business has taken up more of my time so I don't have time visit the forum every day or month.

Your right, every man work method is based on what they know works for them. I'm just doing base on what I know is working for me. Every man makes decision on what they know. If you want to reduce the risk you have set in your mind, you must take the time to inform/educate yourself.

What you first thought was a risk ends up not being a risk at all with the proper information. At the end of the day, its results of the decisions make based on what you know and not know. And this result will be either positive or negative. Obviously, everyone should strive for positive results.

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Doing stealth will lead into having some 10+ accounts in case if it is required to stay safe. So I am just telling people what will they end up with in case of doing stealth professionally, and if it is inevitable, why not to learn and stat building it from the very beginning? Having a 2-3 accs via dongle and win users is ok, but only for some time. And then will be a lot of hassle to migrate to VMs...

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I have access to all my VPSes on one screen through the provider. Dedicated is not a MUST. As JW said, its an decent option.

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Try telling muzzie a dedicated SERVER is not a MUST. I haven't had any luck. Lol

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If you have like under 10 VMs, it can go without dedicated, that's true. But if there are 10s of them (which is a must for a professional stealth trader), it cant be done without dedicated machine. That was my point :)

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Jesus muzzie, you're relentless. Lol.

Oh, I hate to tell you, but I have more than 10 VPSes for sure. Haha.

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How much do you pay for a single VPS on average?

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That my friend is a very specific question. Lol

Not trying to say its all about savings with the following statement because its clear from previous posts here if you try to save without knowing what you are doing or lack the proper information it will end up costing you more, while on the other hand, knowing what you are doing can be very rewarding.

But in regards to the monthly vps cost, if you knew what i know currently, you'd would know your paying way too much.

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I bet I pay less, but if you don't want to discuss it, it is ok :)

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Lol, ill go with the latter. The last thing I need (and some account sellers on this forum) is a shortage of cheap VPSes to create new accounts. ;)

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Ooook :) Secrets are secrets!