Banned Today :(

[rsot]

Originally Posted by cookiegiver

it seems like Ukraine is a potential weak point to exploit with Etsy just how it was with Israel and using Paypal back in the day. Thank you for posting this

anyone been playing with Ukrainian IP?

[cookiegiver]

Originally Posted by rsot

anyone been playing with Ukrainian IP?

Been trying to research how to open Ukrainian bank ACC from abroad but it seems you need a TIN number(tax number basically) or temp residency allowance for example, and visit the local branch. I couldn't register in a few of their banks online, haven't done all my testing tho. Messaged a few of these banks, and they pretty much said what I said above.
Unless Payoneer actually doesn't check back with Etsy about the country where the bank is located, it might not be an issue. I will conduct a test next week with UKR IP and a new payoneer account.
I am mad enough to visit Ukraine lol and make a bank ACC just for this exploit to work haha, not even kidding.
My conspiracy theory - they are banning more people cuz they allowed an influx of sellers from Ukraine. I can guarantee some autists are gaming the Etsy stealth system with this.
What I haven't tested yet is other countries that work through Payoneer. Anyone has done some tests?
Although, I doubt people will share a juicy info on their actual tests

[greenlaurel]

Originally Posted by cookiegiver

Been trying to research how to open Ukrainian bank ACC from abroad but it seems you need a TIN number(tax number basically) or temp residency allowance for example, and visit the local branch. I couldn't register in a few of their banks online, haven't done all my testing tho. Messaged a few of these banks, and they pretty much said what I said above.
Unless Payoneer actually doesn't check back with Etsy about the country where the bank is located, it might not be an issue. I will conduct a test next week with UKR IP and a new payoneer account.
I am mad enough to visit Ukraine lol and make a bank ACC just for this exploit to work haha, not even kidding.
My conspiracy theory - they are banning more people cuz they allowed an influx of sellers from Ukraine. I can guarantee some autists are gaming the Etsy stealth system with this.
What I haven't tested yet is other countries that work through Payoneer. Anyone has done some tests?
Although, I doubt people will share a juicy info on their actual tests

I don't work with Etsy, but I can speak for Payoneer. In Türkiye and some other countries, Payoneer has a visual authentication problem.

[sax4]

Originally Posted by cookiegiver

Been trying to research how to open Ukrainian bank ACC from abroad but it seems you need a TIN number(tax number basically) or temp residency allowance for example, and visit the local branch. I couldn't register in a few of their banks online, haven't done all my testing tho. Messaged a few of these banks, and they pretty much said what I said above.
Unless Payoneer actually doesn't check back with Etsy about the country where the bank is located, it might not be an issue. I will conduct a test next week with UKR IP and a new payoneer account.
I am mad enough to visit Ukraine lol and make a bank ACC just for this exploit to work haha, not even kidding.
My conspiracy theory - they are banning more people cuz they allowed an influx of sellers from Ukraine. I can guarantee some autists are gaming the Etsy stealth system with this.
What I haven't tested yet is other countries that work through Payoneer. Anyone has done some tests?
Although, I doubt people will share a juicy info on their actual tests

Sorry, maybe I missed something. With Etsy in Ukraine you need a Payoneer account. Or are you talking about withdraw money from a Payoneer account?

[rsot]

Originally Posted by cookiegiver

it seems like Ukraine is a potential weak point to exploit with Etsy just how it was with Israel and using Paypal back in the day. Thank you for posting this

Hope it works - spread the dread with multiple accounts

[cookiegiver]

Originally Posted by sax4

Sorry, maybe I missed something. With Etsy in Ukraine you need a Payoneer account. Or are you talking about withdraw money from a Payoneer account?

Basically, it was written in Etsy Payments policy (sorry too lazy to search for a link) that a bank in Payoneer ACC's must match the country that you specified in your Etsy ACC. Something like that.
So yeah, basically just use Payoneer to get my money.

[cookiegiver]

Originally Posted by rsot

Hope it works - spread the dread with multiple accounts

Thanks, will do. Praying it works. Bought a new sim today, goal for today - set everything up. Gmail, cookie history, make an Etsy buyers ACC, scroll around, message some sellers with dump questions, add favorites etc. Read their policies cuz I bet they are checking all the stuff you do on the site. Haven't decided how slow I take this process, will update at the end of the week.
/me prays

[rsot]

so Payoneer for Ukraine will work fine? tested and success? Nice

[SaiJin]

Originally Posted by cookiegiver

Basically, it was written in Etsy Payments policy (sorry too lazy to search for a link) that a bank in Payoneer ACC's must match the country that you specified in your Etsy ACC. Something like that.
So yeah, basically just use Payoneer to get my money.

Yea, it's usually this way across most platforms.
It actually makes the account stronger too

[cookiegiver]

Originally Posted by rsot

so Payoneer for Ukraine will work fine? tested and success? Nice

In theory, it could work, but they are making it hard. I did some dummy ACC pre-tests with just TOR and went through a registration process.
If we check this video of the Ukrainian registration process - https://youtu.be/qnBJ6LvBjTo?si=aIplyPD4ORh3cAJI&t=673
(As you can see there is no selfie step.)
Payoneer WILL send your data to Etsy and thus reveal that your bank is not actually from Ukraine. Haven't confirmed it tho, but will still do the test with my own country's bank acc. It could be just a bluff on their part.
If you pick any of these countries as a bank country - https://help.etsy.com/hc/en-us/artic...egment=selling in the "How you'll get paid" step it still gives Payoneer option.
If we find japanese registration video https://youtu.be/kXTN1gCwHyU?si=VvNGajGo14YNW5wZ&t=1097 it also doesn't have a selfie stage. I assume it also won't be the case if the "Country of residence" is Ukraine and "bank location" is one of these countries.
So you pretty much gotta LARP as a female Ukrainian refugee living abroad.
Then you have Payoneer asking for a passport ID, do they actually verify them? idk.
Tough. A bit demoralized ngl, but I gotta find a way.
If somebody can help research which Payoneer countries allow the creation of a bank ACC from abroad remotely that would be great. With Georgia, you need a person who will visit the bank irl in your behalf with notarized documents. Messaged a few Serbian banks with questions will see what they reply.
Might do UAE research today or tomorrow.

[sax4]

Does it state somewhere that Payoneer share bank details with Ebay?
I haven't used Payoneer in a while but before they asked for passport details at sign up, but didn't verify them until later, but not always.
Yeah, no banks in Ukriaine will allowing signing up online, even the online banks like Monobank.

[murdered_by_ebay]

in payoneer countries there is sync between payoneer and ebay , it is unlikely though that ebay are interested in the bank details where withdrawals go to from payoneer , it is an amazon thing

however as far as ukraine is concerned caution is required , this state will not exist very long , it is better to have a plan B as it is going to break apart with large chunks going to russia and smaller chunks to poland/hungary

[sax4]

Well it's hard to see what will be left of Ukraine, Russia will take large swathes and are going to want to take Kiev and Odessa as well as other major cities like Kharkov, Zaporozyhe, Dnepropetrovsk etc. Then Poland has designs on much of Western Ukraine including Lvov, Rovne, Ivano Frankovsk etc. And then the Romanians will want to take back Bukovina, and maybe Hungary and Slovakia wan't a slice of the Carpathians too.

Trump has come out today saying that (surprise surprise) Ukraine can pay back what it owes them from Ukraine's mineral assets, although Russia is in control of about 50% of the mineral rich areas of Ukraine and that is steadily increasing. Also, Zelesnky has come out today saying about 100 Billion of what America sent them has gone missing, and claims not to have received it at all.

It looks like the war is already over in many respects and Russia has won like they've always looked certain to do.

Anyway, back on topic, Ukraine as a country could be around for a couple more years yet perhaps, so make hay when the sun shines

[murdered_by_ebay]

the ukrainian banking system is likely to collapse before the state vanishes

it will be either the russians destroying what is left of their energy infrastructure sending them back to middle ages or it will be the americans stopping financial flows and forcing ukraine to capitulate

a separate topic is possible hyperinflation that would ensue in both of the above described cases so I can recommend people not to hold anything in the local currency and take out any incoming payments asap

[WasTopRatedThenBanned]

Updates on account creation in Ukraine anyone? lol.

[rsot]

Originally Posted by WasTopRatedThenBanned

Updates on account creation in Ukraine anyone? lol.

Thought you were testing and going to provide updates

[WasTopRatedThenBanned]

Originally Posted by rsot

Thought you were testing and going to provide updates

Haha! I have no idea about how they document over there lol. Someone offered me some "stuff" but we hit a crossroad.

[rsot]

Originally Posted by WasTopRatedThenBanned

Someone offered me some "stuff" but we hit a crossroad.

That's rough - based on discussion above, seems like it's going to be rough to do well

[FreddieDogg]

Originally Posted by WasTopRatedThenBanned

Man, my seller rating was a 4.4, store was over 2 years old. Over 1k sells, digital. I tried to buy from another seller....Boom, Ban. I am so use to getting banned from selling, on other platforms, not buying LOL! Probably got linked to another buyer account my guess...used the card before idk.. Sucks, but i will be back on if they don't reinstate me.

4.4 poor score that, not surprised you were banned

[WasTopRatedThenBanned]

lol..4.4 out of 5 is not as bad score. I honestly have people leave 1 star by mistake and feel bad afterwards. And no, i was glitch banned while buying something off my seller account.

[rsot]

Originally Posted by WasTopRatedThenBanned

lol..4.4 out of 5 is not as bad score. I honestly have people leave 1 star by mistake and feel bad afterwards. And no, i was glitch banned while buying something off my seller account.

Shill bidding/buying with stealth buyer accounts?

[SaiJin]

Originally Posted by WasTopRatedThenBanned

Haha! I have no idea about how they document over there lol. Someone offered me some "stuff" but we hit a crossroad.

Who offered you what "stuff" on DM?