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WTF happened here? Someone bought at the top & lost so much money they got mad?
BTC is at the bottom of the 4 year cycle and everyone lost faith? luz
Your suppose to buy the fear. Not chase the price. These last few months is when the money's made. It's the time to accumulate.
I've been buying crazy amounts of hardware. GPU prices are so low ATM its laughable. People are practically giving the sh!t away. I bought 11 GTX 1070's and 6 P104-100's last month alone. The only thing stopping me from buying more is I'm running out of power.
Even with as bad as things are, there was only two days where I was losing money mining and that was when ETH was at $80 |
| just_smile | 03-17-2019 03:04 AM |
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| Ebayorbust | 03-17-2019 03:08 AM |
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You need to remember the forum BTC experts only post when the price is riding high and everyone claims to be an astute financial expert. ;) |
| Canadianleaf | 03-17-2019 03:16 AM |
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Yall law abiding citizens make sure to pay your taxes on your crypto this year. April 15 is the IRS due date! |
| Sunspot144 | 03-17-2019 08:11 AM |
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Some manufacturer needs to start a big marketing campaign, build BTC registers, and convince a whole lots businesses to buy them before baseline goes anywhere again.. |
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You need to remember the forum BTC experts only post when the price is riding high and everyone claims to be an astute financial expert. ;)
| Who was that expert again...empirestate right? |
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Some manufacturer needs to start a big marketing campaign, build BTC registers, and convince a whole lots businesses to buy them before baseline goes anywhere again..
| I doubt it will take that much effort. Not with the next BTC halving 433 days away.
Things are happening slowly but surely...
Samsung's new Galaxy S10 has ETH wallet built in. Most exchanges have expanded to the point they will be able to handle the next wave of FOMO. Lots of regulations have passed. Most countries now require KYC. S.E.C. practically put a end to ICO's. Main stream movies are coming out about crypto...
Things are looking good ATM. |
| Sunspot144 | 03-17-2019 08:57 AM |
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Eh.. still need to convince a whole lot of businesses crypto, that has a higher risk of falling out than the dollar, that it's something worth accepting payments of.
We already have debit cards for electric money. What is crypto's edge? Why use it for everyday purchases?
The Federal Reserve adopting a national crypto is making more sense at this point, to me at least, as they would control it's worth with slight inflation and deflation. |
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What is crypto's edge?
| Unconfiscatable, Permission-less, Deflationary, Boarder-less, No real need for 3rd party, need I say more... Just being Unconfiscatable alone is beyond an edge.. It's like a gift from GOD. Quote:
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(Post 986709)
Why use it for everyday purchases?
| You shouldn't & you wont... Only use I see is for Store Of Value or sending large amounts of money across boarders ATM. It will be at least a decade before everyday purchases IMHO.
If I remember correctly you tried to get in to mining when cards were at or over MSRP? Bought power hungry AMD Vega's? Live in California where power costs are higher than average? I feel your pain. |
| Sunspot144 | 03-17-2019 10:14 AM |
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General public doesnt transfer large sums of money across borders.
Why buy something directly from China when they're here with warehouses or you can buy it from someone who has already imported it for you.
Crypto is driven by paranoia. The federal reserve isn't going to just one day up and deflate the dollar to 0. Wtf.
We're seeing it now, crypto is mostly on the dark web and for buying cannabis...
Last comment is immature, but I'll bite. Vega's can be undervolted to 175W, little over 1070's at 160W. Ive made more money by saving on heating oil than mining.. Buy used... they're GPU's.. :FF: |
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Vega's can be undervolted to 175W, little over 1070's at 160W.
| 1070's.... 160w??? I get 32Mh @ 80w with 1070's. With P104 I get 41Mh @ 115w.
If your still into mining you might want to look into Nvidia Profile Inspector and putting GPU's into P-State 0... |
| Sunspot144 | 03-17-2019 10:31 AM |
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1070's.... 160w??? I get 32Mh @ 80w with 1070's. With P104 I get 41Mh @ 115w.
If your still into mining you might want to look into Nvidia Profile Inspector and putting GPU's into P-State 0...
| Screenshots of stability please. I'd believe 20mh max.
Nvidia cards are P-State 0 by default. :FF: |
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I forgot how much you like pics... lulz
GPU# 13 in Phoenix 4.1c is GPU # 12 in Nvidia Inspector cuz Nvidia Inspector starts @ GPU# 0
moarlyk 31.236 MH/s @ 88w 100% stable. amirite?
I'm not going to take the time change my settings and run Phoenix 4.0b just to show you its possible to get 32MH/s @ 80w on a 1070. and yes you are correct. It's not 100% stable... but its possible. https://i.ibb.co/rMzdcHS/Capture.png |
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| slokor | 03-17-2019 12:34 PM |
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Unconfiscatable...
| Tell that to Coinbase and any number of other exchanges who freeze accounts like paypal do.
For it to truly be as you stated one needs to use the proper wallet and control their own private keys.
NEVER store your crypto with an exchange. |
| Sunspot144 | 03-17-2019 12:58 PM |
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Oh... yer going by software reading...
Yea... 1070 TI's are just about where yours are... 92-97 ish watts...
Do you have a kill-a-watt meter? Only way to accurately measure true watts, and the 1070's were pulling more like 160 at the wall... iirc... https://i.imgur.com/EpfUX3I.jpg |
| yankee | 03-17-2019 01:12 PM |
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I have never seen a value and still dont.
Until I can actually do something useful with it easily, I will not use it. I guess I fall into the nearly 100% of all people and just dont get it. So far, the only people I know who accept it do so at an extreme disadvantage to me with the highest amount of risk with nearly zero reward. When someone tells me they only want BTC, I run for the hills. |
| Sunspot144 | 03-17-2019 01:17 PM |
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Take it all back... checked notes..
3x Nvidia @ 267W /3 = 89W
:thumb:
Vega 56/64 pulling ~205W each..
The 160W in my head was coming from all the tards online saying they could get Vegas down to 160W @ 2k hash on Monero. |
| Sunspot144 | 03-17-2019 02:21 PM |
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@Nate yer 1070's get better mh per watt than yer P104-100's :laugh: |
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We were asked about making a Cryptocurrency section ages ago, if memory serves I think I was practically the only person who thought it was not worth it. Glad to see I was right as usual ;) |
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I can get way better hash per watt on 1070 if I drop voltage down to 0.65 and set core around 1250mHz and Memory around 4500mHz. Can get 80w or less @ around 29MH/s stable.
The P104-100's are made to be stuck in P-State 8. Nvidia Inspector & Nvidia Profile Inspector doesn't recognize them to be able to force them into P-State 0. I had to modify the Nvidia Driver changing all the lines in the nv_dispi.inf file for the P104-100 to match the lines in the GTX 1070 lines unlocking the P104-100 and tricking the driver into thinking its a GTX 1070. It's the same driver hack that allows the P106 to render video through CPU passthrough.
I couldnt find one thing online about getting Nvidia Inspector to work with the P104... That one I had to figure out myself, not saying Im the 1st to do it.... Just no info online to say it's even possible to do.
Only had the P104's for a few weeks so I'm sure I can do better if I tried.
Are your 1070Ti's dual 8-pin or single 8-pin? I can get 33.5 MH/s @ < 98w stable on my 9x Zotac 1070Ti's with dual 8-pin. You should ditch MSI AB if all your cards are Nvidia in the rig and try Nvidia Inspector & Nvidia Profile Inspector. You can run the OC after the DAG is created using a batch script with 30 second delay too for more stability. https://www.reddit.com/r/EtherMining...r_to_properly/ Code:
@echo off
echo NvidiaInspector will enable Over Clock in 30 seconds...
timeout /t 30
start C:\Users\Miner03\Desktop\nvidiaInspector.exe -lockVoltagePoint:0,700000 -setBaseClockOffset:0,0,80 -setMemoryClockOffset:0,0,500 -setPowerTarget:0,100 -setTempTarget:0,0,80 -setFanSpeed:0,-1
FYI: Nvidia cards are forced into P-State 2 in Compute.
Yes, I have a Kill-A-Watt... But using Kill-A-Watt to get GPU power draw isn't going to be correct. Motherboard, RAM, & CPU use power too. You can get total power draw of a rig that way tho. Plus I'm on 220v using a Tripp-Lite PDU with female C-13 plugs so Kill-A-Watt does me no good. |
| Sunspot144 | 03-17-2019 03:29 PM |
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That's cool... added in the GPU ID into the driver file?
Single 8-pin EVGA's. Were most abundant on ebay last year so prices were lowest. Went gaming GPUs over dedicated for resale value.
Yea, OC software like AB faster IMO for testing hash rates and stability. The miners set the GPU parameters, core clock, mem clock, fan speeds, etc.
Using Claymore cuz iirc had lowest dev fee... by 0.5% or maybe 1%, dont remember :cheer:
But XMR-Stak gets best hash rates, separates threads in the AMD cards and mines on each. Beats cast-xmr by like ~200-300 hash + most support, updates. Developer gives you option to recompile it with 0% dev fee, nice guy..
Forcing P-State makes a big difference? Always figured it would be dependent on how much over/under clock was set on the card.... i.e. wouldn't draw more power than needed by the clocks. |
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Forcing P-State makes a big difference? Always figured it would be dependent on how much over/under clock was set on the card.... i.e. wouldn't draw more power than needed by the clocks.
| Read the reddit post and do some googling. There is even a video on YouTube, but the YouTube guy doesn't really try and get good results.
The magic number is 0.65v with 1250mHz on core and 4500mHz on memory for power efficiency with 1070. But like I said you only get around 28-29MH/s
Then go up from there til you find the sweet spot. forget about +600 or what-ever... go by the mHz and every card will probably be different. |
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(Post 986866)
Read the reddit post and do some googling. There is even a video on YouTube, but the YouTube guy doesn't really try and get good results.
The magic number is 0.65v with 1250mHz on core and 4500mHz on memory for power efficiency with 1070. But like I said you only get around 28-29MH/s
Then go up from there til you find the sweet spot. forget about +600 or what-ever... go by the mHz and every card will probably be different.
| Learning :) |
| Sunspot144 | 03-17-2019 06:22 PM |
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From claymore miner page:
By default, low power states have low voltage, setting high GPU clock for low power states without increasing voltage can cause driver crash.
From the reddit page:
Despite disabling "force P2 state" after dropping my voltage down to a certain point, the cards would never reach P0 state. As soon as I dropped one of the cards down to 775000 it always showed P2, higher then that it would be P0, and if it was too low like I said above it would be P5. This was regardless of whether I was idle or mining. This leads me to think that the "force P2" settings doesn't matter because my cards never get to P0 because the voltage is too low but it does not negatively impact my hash rate.
P State's controlled by voltage (settings) automatically by card, doesn't really matter til you reach your overclock settings. |
| Sunspot144 | 03-17-2019 06:30 PM |
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| Sunspot144 | 03-17-2019 07:17 PM |
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Guess what I'm getting at is yer P State 8 may not matter if yer optimal hash has a core/mem clock which requires a voltage that would be in P State 8. Since it's a dedicated miner card could be manufactured to be like that. Maybe. :)
AFAIK Nvidia cards can't be undervolted beyond a certain point.
AMD cards way more flexible in that regard. |
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Guess what I'm getting at is yer P State 8 may not matter if yer optimal hash has a core/mem clock which requires a voltage that would be in P State 8. Since it's a dedicated miner card could be manufactured to be like that. Maybe. :)
| Perfect example. P104 wouldnt work with Nvidia Inspector cuz of block placed by Nvidia so I had to use MSI AB.By default the card was stuck in P-State 8 and I was able to get 41MH/s @ 125w...
I hacked the driver. Got Nvidia Profile Inspector and Nvidia Inspector to work and forced the card in P-State 0. I was able to get 41MH/s at 118w.
My Zotac 1070 AMP Extremes I was getting 33MH/s @ 125w just with over clock and reducing power to 50% (best settings I could find) https://i.ibb.co/281VpmZ/Capture1.png https://i.ibb.co/Pr7rrZX/Capture3.png
I forced the cards into P-State 0 with Nvidia Profile Inspector https://i.ibb.co/ZKXf9S3/Capture-1.png
Increased Power to 100% while reducing Voltage to 0.685v then played with core and mem OC with Nvidia Inspector until I got 33MH/s @ <100w (like 96-98w) https://i.ibb.co/KXGZ6MR/Capture4.png Quote:
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(Post 986895)
AFAIK Nvidia cards can't be undervolted beyond a certain point.
AMD cards way more flexible in that regard.
| The only way to undervolt a Nvidia card AFAIK is to use Nvidia Inspector using a batch script.
just try 0 and 0 for gpu and mem clock first
then increase Code:
start C:\Users\miner\Desktop\nvidiaInspector\nvidiaInspector.exe -lockVoltagePoint:0,650000 -setBaseClockOffset:0,0,0 -setMemoryClockOffset:0,0,0 -setPowerTarget:0,100 -setTempTarget:0,0,80 -setFanSpeed:0,-1
try that first, open Nvidia Inspector,
then start increase the gpu and mem clocks by +10 core and +20 mem
You do know how to read that above right? and set it for your path?
the only way to change voltage is by using a bat file like the example i posted above. ( lockVoltagePoint:0,650000 ) sets voltage at 0.65v.... 700000 would be 0.70v ect...
core would be ( -setBaseClockOffset:0,0,0 ) to set a core of +20 would be -setBaseClockOffset:0,0,20 ect. but you can play with the setting 1st using Nvidia inspector's gui once you set the voltage with the bat file to find the right setting for the rest of the batch script. thats why i set them to 0 in the example. |
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here is an my batch file for my 9 Zotac 1070 AMP Extremes. They use a lot more power than a regular single 8-pin 1070 tho so you probably will get alot lower watts than 98 @ 0.685v. Code:
@echo off
echo NvidiaInspector will enable Over Clock in 30 seconds...
timeout /t 30
start C:\Users\Miner01\Desktop\nvidiaInspector.exe -lockVoltagePoint:0,685000 -setBaseClockOffset:0,0,60 -setMemoryClockOffset:0,0,600 -setPowerTarget:0,100 -setTempTarget:0,0,80 -setFanSpeed:0,-1
start C:\Users\Miner01\Desktop\nvidiaInspector.exe -lockVoltagePoint:1,685000 -setBaseClockOffset:1,0,60 -setMemoryClockOffset:1,0,600 -setPowerTarget:1,100 -setTempTarget:1,0,80 -setFanSpeed:1,-1
start C:\Users\Miner01\Desktop\nvidiaInspector.exe -lockVoltagePoint:2,685000 -setBaseClockOffset:2,0,70 -setMemoryClockOffset:2,0,600 -setPowerTarget:2,100 -setTempTarget:2,0,80 -setFanSpeed:2,-1
start C:\Users\Miner01\Desktop\nvidiaInspector.exe -lockVoltagePoint:3,700000 -setBaseClockOffset:3,0,20 -setMemoryClockOffset:3,0,400 -setPowerTarget:3,100 -setTempTarget:3,0,80 -setFanSpeed:3,-1
start C:\Users\Miner01\Desktop\nvidiaInspector.exe -lockVoltagePoint:4,685000 -setBaseClockOffset:4,0,80 -setMemoryClockOffset:4,0,600 -setPowerTarget:4,100 -setTempTarget:4,0,80 -setFanSpeed:4,-1
start C:\Users\miner01\Desktop\nvidiaInspector.exe -lockVoltagePoint:5,685000 -setBaseClockOffset:5,0,60 -setMemoryClockOffset:5,0,600 -setPowerTarget:5,100 -setTempTarget:5,0,80 -setFanSpeed:5,-1
start C:\Users\Miner01\Desktop\nvidiaInspector.exe -lockVoltagePoint:6,750000 -setBaseClockOffset:6,0,-60 -setMemoryClockOffset:6,0,580 -setPowerTarget:6,100 -setTempTarget:6,0,80 -setFanSpeed:6,-1
start C:\Users\Miner01\Desktop\nvidiaInspector.exe -lockVoltagePoint:7,685000 -setBaseClockOffset:7,0,80 -setMemoryClockOffset:7,0,400 -setPowerTarget:7,100 -setTempTarget:7,0,80 -setFanSpeed:7,-1
start C:\Users\Miner01\Desktop\nvidiaInspector.exe -lockVoltagePoint:8,700000 -setBaseClockOffset:8,0,60 -setMemoryClockOffset:8,0,600 -setPowerTarget:8,100 -setTempTarget:8,0,80 -setFanSpeed:8,-1
FYI: Single 8-pin 1070's like EVGA SC's are better cards than dual 8-pin for ETH when undervolting. |
| Sunspot144 | 03-17-2019 09:06 PM |
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Hmm.. 33mh @ 98w in P0. Did you experiment further?
Thinking 1070/ti may get capped at 32/33, everybody seems to claim 32 on their 1070s ha.
Going under about 55% TDP the EVGA's started to get real unstable, even playing with different clocks while trying to maintain 32mh.
That's awesome it worked for the dedicated cards locked in P8. Definitely a worthwhile venture hacking those. No body I've seen knew how to undervolt Nvidia beyond manufacturer restrictions. |
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Hmm.. 33mh @ 98w in P0. Did you experiment further?
Thinking 1070/ti may get capped at 32/33, everybody seems to claim 32 on their 1070s ha.
That's awesome it worked for the dedicated cards locked in P8. Definitely a worthwhile venture hacking those.
| Zotac AMP Extremes are different than all other 1070's... they are closer to a 1070Ti but use more power. they can get up to 34MH/s
Regular 1070's get 31-32MH/s |
| Sunspot144 | 03-17-2019 09:22 PM |
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Got more cards than my setup. Saving 10w per card is like having 1 less lol. |
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(Post 986908)
No body I've seen knew how to undervolt Nvidia beyond manufacturer restrictions.
| Well, now you know how to.
Using Nvidia Profile Inspector I knocked 25 watts off my Zotac AMP Extremes x9... Thats 225 watts.
Same goes for my zotac 1070ti's... thats 500watts total between 18 cards.
As it is ATM 3x used 1070's ($200) cost the same as the New RadonVII and get the same hashrate while using a **** hair less power.
Now if AMD can fix the driver that might change... Have to wait and see. |
| Sunspot144 | 03-18-2019 12:27 AM |
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Yea... still think they make good radiators that make a little extra money, fun to optimize cards though :laugh: |
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Is mining still profitable? With the flux down in currency value. |
| Sunspot144 | 03-19-2019 11:24 PM |
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It's so minimal it's almost not worth it. Longer ya mine with older cards lower the resale value drops too. Kept my finished basement warm all winter without having to run heating oil so there's that...
BTC, ETH, XMR, cryptos in general, even POTCOIN are looking to be slowly climbing back up.. may be a good time. |
| dan_ebay | 03-20-2019 07:27 AM |
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all the pro traders stopped posted, what happened? |
| meloncoly | 03-20-2019 07:37 AM |
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Is mining still profitable with UK energy prices? |
| Sunspot144 | 03-20-2019 07:59 AM |
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Whattomine . com is a decent calculator. Not 100% accurate.
Optimal card performance averages to input:
1070/ti = 90 watts @ 32mh
Vega 56/64 = 200 watts @ 1100 h
The hardforks that are routinely released increase the mining algorithm difficulty and really drive the rewards down... |
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I pay 0.11 cents per KWH and I'm still making money, there was only two days where I was mining at a loss when ETH was @ $80. Now.... the amount Im profiting after power cost is only pocket change, but it's still a profit.
You also have to look at the fact there are half as many people still mining and Im making >2x the amount of ETH I was making last year.
So if ETH gets back up to all time high price, $1,400... I will have been making around $4,000 a month profit after subtracting electric cost for all the time I've been mining at this difficulty and network hashrate.
When I started this I looked at it as a 5 year investment. Not a get rich quick venture. I've held every coin I've mined since 2017. I either still have a few years to go or I'm dumping if we break ATH's again. You can never go wrong selling at a ATH price... |
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