Corona Virus

[james13v]

Originally Posted by JamesNorth101

When you are measuring the recovery rate why would you count people that are not recovered?

It would be

Recovery rate = Number of people died decided by Number of people fully recovered.

The people that have not yet either recovered or passed away do not come into the statistics yet. Thats just basic maths.

obviously measuring recovery rate, would be like that. And a recovery rate would be a valid number to talk about. But a death rate based only on those that have recovered, is pointless. It's a statistic that has no meaning for the average person.

[JamesNorth101]

I guess it would be more precise to call it the 'Current death rate v recovery rate'.

The only country that really would have an accurate number would be China as its been there for the longest and frankly that will never be something that is published.

[ebaystealth1974]

Originally Posted by phaz0rz

No, I wouldn't. Me no stupid. I would wait until there are tens of thousands of case statistics to make an educated guess.

90603 recovered worldwide - 71266 china recovered = 19337 recoveries outside China
11176 deaths worldwide - 3253 deaths in China = 7923 deaths outside China

30% fatality rate and rising if you leave out China's numbers. I'm not trying to convince you of anything. Most Americans are still in the "just a flu bro" phase, but we haven't seen the end of this yet.

I fully understand the numbers you are seeing and computing, but they aren't even a REMOTELY accurate representation of what's happening. Or what WILL happen. It's just like the early flu question I asked you about. We know that's not what's going to happen, based on what's actually happening elsewhere, or has happened in the past.

Those numbers are very negative and pessimistic, so maybe you should focus on the positive outlook?

Even in Italy, a place I think we can ALL agree on doing the worst right now, their serious/critical rate is only 7% of all active cases. And as more and more mild cases start recovering, their current 8.5% death rate will also start to decline.

Their daily death Growth Factor has already started to slow down as a % of growth each day.

Daily Deaths
3/15 368
3/16 349
3/17 345
3/18 475
3/19 472

I think there has been a big jump today, though, so we will see what happens.

[ebaystealth1974]

Couple interesting facts from Italy's cases...

OVER 99% of their fatalities were patients with previous medical conditions.
78% of all deaths are between 70 and 89 years of age.

[phaz0rz]

Italy reported 627 deaths today.

But, yeah, yeah, I understand what you're saying. I'm not trying to be the doomsday guy but I'm also not trying to be overly optimistic. I'm skeptical of everything, corona aside. Just trying to keep myself informed.

[ebaystealth1974]

One good thing about all of this, is there are a TON of people out there totally asymptomatic. And also VERY mildy symptomatic people who won't be getting a test.

That alone will bring the TRUE numbers down. But of course will never show on a graph because they can't be accounted for.

[james13v]

Originally Posted by agent006140

someone believes the reason why so many get sick and die in Italy is because national healthcare system,it lacks private investment to build modern medical facilities,if this is true,then you wonder why Sanders is fading away.
The Chinese were sending masks etc and now dispatched 300 medical professional to help them

the reason so many get sick and die in Italy, is because it has one of the world's oldest populations with 60% over age 40, 23% of which are over 65. The average age of those who have died in Italy, was 81. Only 1 in 5 patients were between 19-50 years old. And to add to the mess, they have a society that has young people spending a lot of time with their elders.

That, is first and foremost, the reason for their high numbers. Anything else is almost an afterthought.

[walkingupwards]

Ooh man... the number of people who want to see the world dying just terrifies me!!

Why is it that many people somehow believe a deadly virus will steer away from them while killing the "unwanted"?!!

Do you imagine a society where everybody has an IQ of 160+ points? Who is going to do the plummeting, the gardening, the cleaning and all these other jobs that can't be done by "geniuses"? Ooh I forgot, by that time humans will be speeding through space conquering other galaxies...

In short, it is still too early for a hardcore implementation of eugenics!! It should be a gradual process done in harmony, rushing it is counterproductive and will bring havoc to this world.

Anyway, I don't think the virus has anything to do with eugenics, it is designed to help with power grabbing and control.

[james_112233]

Some juicy information especially for those of us in the UK.

Keep an eye on this page for the latest research information:

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-globa...bRpvp6LJ-xGqF4

Report number 9 is very informative, and seems to be what is guiding the UK Government response to the pandemic, in case anyone is wondering whether or not they are listening to the experts:

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imp...BEzmvfKtE6AfwY

Be prepared and have a lot of patience, this could potentially take a LONG time before it goes away (think months/year, rather than just a few weeks); the behaviour of us as a society will determine how long this lasts, and unfortunately how many will lose their lives as a result of this.

[rsot]

Originally Posted by james_112233

Some juicy information especially for those of us in the UK.

Keep an eye on this page for the latest research information:

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-globa...bRpvp6LJ-xGqF4

Report number 9 is very informative, and seems to be what is guiding the UK Government response to the pandemic, in case anyone is wondering whether or not they are listening to the experts:

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imp...BEzmvfKtE6AfwY

Be prepared and have a lot of patience, this could potentially take a LONG time before it goes away (think months/year, rather than just a few weeks); the behaviour of us as a society will determine how long this lasts, and unfortunately how many will lose their lives as a result of this.

Juicy indeed - good reading for the masses

[walkingupwards]

Originally Posted by tinsoldier

FPMSL, in your pathetic hysterical daily repositioning you've totally lost fact that the virus is killing primarily the weak. Guess who the healthiest are in society.....

Actually, I've said it before i think your ramblings are quite a clever, but are now showing their flaws as clearly it's a wind up when you want us to believe you think the virus is targeting folk based on their intelligence.

I was talking about eugenics in general, I made it clear that in my opinion, this virus has nothing to do with eugenics, it is to help with the ousting of Trump and taking power back... and make a few billions on the side


To make sure it won't cause irreversible collateral damage, it was tweaked to not hurt the tax payers and kill those who are "consumers" of services. It's been laid out in public that the elderly are not wanted and must go, Bill Gates and Bloomberg said it out loud.

[rsot]

Originally Posted by walkingupwards

I was talking about eugenics in general, I made it clear that in my opinion, this virus has nothing to do with eugenics, it is to help with the ousting of Trump and taking power back... and make a few billions on the side


To make sure it won't cause irreversible collateral damage, it was tweaked to not hurt the tax payers and kill those who are "consumers" of services. It's been laid out in public that the elderly are not wanted and must go, Bill Gates and Bloomberg said it out loud.

Conspiracy theory eh

[james13v]

https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/morbid...em-more-awful/

boomer remover

lol. "Zoomers" really do hate older people don't they. Ugh.

Originally Posted by agent006140

It's been laid out in public that the elderly are not wanted and must go, Bill Gates and Bloomberg said it out loud.
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did you tape it?
and what about Warren Buffet?
Japan has the largest elderly population relative to the size of the country,next is Italy but you dont have that many cases in Japan.
Did you see Spain, its number rising?

Ugh, just like Japan when it comes to a lot of things...

If you don't test for it, you don't have it. Nanananana, I can't hear you!

They've tested 1 person per 7600 people. Compare to SK, that has tested one person per 185 people. Which one do you think will have a larger case number?

Lets also not forget, that the Japanese culture is already more socially isolated than other cultures, they live on an island, AND have been wearing facemasks for years.

Originally Posted by agent006140

Those face masks are not effective with the Corona virus.
yes,Carlo Ghozn wore one when he left the house.

People that are sick with the virus and don't know, DO help stop the spread. There is no argument about this. It might or might not help you from getting it, but WILL help you from spreading it. If you aren't sneezing and coughing on things, and are washing your hands after touching such emissions, you will not spread the virus. Very simple concept.

Originally Posted by agent006140

NYC is now getting one case per hour.
Grubhub boss is working from home,said that restaurants cant pay their bills on delivery only.

When more restaurants folded,Blue Apron,Hellofresh,supermarkets will have all the business.
everyone layoff will apply for jobs with WMT,KR,AMZN,LYFT,UBER,UPS,Fed Exp

First off, NYC is getting one positive TEST per hour.

Second, when restaurants cut their staff in half, and people can't go to the store to buy food, or go in to sit down and order, and is reliant on delivery only, I highly doubt they'd' have trouble paying their bills. Grubhub boss is a moron.

Originally Posted by agent006140

Second, when restaurants cut their staff in half, and people can't go to the store to buy food, or go in to sit down and order, and is reliant on delivery only, I highly doubt they'd' have trouble paying their bills. Grubhub boss is a moron.
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thanks now I am convinced YOU ARE IN THE SAME BOAT AS HIM.

LOL. oh the irony, that comment coming from you of all people.

Maybe, just MAYBE, you can try telling me WHY my refutation of your post is wrong. Maybe. I know that's a tough thing to ask of you.

[Toolman89]

It's saturday night in Australia right now and I check my instagram feed and it's just full of people socialising and partying. They really don't get it. I see far more people stay home because of rain than because of this.

[ebaystealth1974]

Originally Posted by phaz0rz

I'm not trying to scare anyone, lol. I only post here and I'm sure you guys are smart enough to not panic.

The New York Times just published the US Government's COVID-19 Response Plan (check it out while it's still there I guess). This is much more scary stuff than the published numbers.

That's a lot to read. Any certain things to point me towards?

[ebaystealth1974]

Originally Posted by walkingupwards

To make sure it won't cause irreversible collateral damage, it was tweaked to not hurt the tax payers and kill those who are "consumers" of services.

If you look at all the numbers and graphs, you'll see that this virus follows the EXACT SAME CURVE of the flu, when it comes to deaths by age group.

Only major difference is this virus is about ~15x more deadly.

Targeting CLEARLY has not been done.

[walkingupwards]

Originally Posted by ebaystealth1974

If you look at all the numbers and graphs, you'll see that this virus follows the EXACT SAME CURVE of the flu, when it comes to deaths by age group.

Only major difference is this virus is about ~15x more deadly.

Targeting CLEARLY has not been done.

The virus is a weaponized version of the flu and it has something to do with the HIV virus, even recovered people are left with heavily damaged lungs.

How do we know what will happen 10 years down the line after the "recovery"?

[ebaystealth1974]

Originally Posted by walkingupwards

even recovered people are left with heavily damaged lungs.

IF they even had a critical case in the first place. Of which only 0.4% of americans have had so far.

[Sunspot144]

Originally Posted by walkingupwards

Trust me, you won't like what's coming if the people behind China win this war

1st one not real

2nd one, the conclusion, the world economies are too intertwined for this to have happened on purpose. China has a massive labor force, they value that. War is expensive. It's much more costly for economies to wage war than it is to trade (or not).

The problem with viruses is you can't control who they impact and how they spread. That's counter-intuitive if China wants to trade along the road. If they stress them, or kill some of them, even worse if China is trying to open doors. We know where it came from. If this originated somewhere else the theory would work.

What you're suggesting is the countries capable of lockdowns are all in on this. Or China took the liberty to try this out. An enemy of a regime is usually a Democracy. So.... you'd probably think a Democracy might do this.

If the US did this, it would agitate / make the EU fairly skeptical of dealing with China in the future - by prolonging their efforts to expand and regain the old empire back. A big road leading to animal flu. There's a conspiracy.

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[someone2]

I ordered 10 masks on Ebeay but Ebay canceled that listing and my order in several hours :(

[Sunspot144]

[rsot]

Originally Posted by someone2

I ordered 10 masks on Ebeay but Ebay canceled that listing and my order in several hours :(

Sad to hear but happens a lot now