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Members not sharing Knowledge?
 

seems like most of the people in this forum hold their cards close to their chest.

I thought the whole point of this forum was the share the best ways for stealth. Share each other experiences etc.

I've learned alot of things by myself through experimentation.

- I Learned easiest countries to operate paypal in. (Although I prefer to use australian accounts because i am from australia)
- Learned how to avoid account limitations.
- I learned how to cash out without bank account and without the need to send the money to your real Account.
- I learned how to get money back from paypal if a buyer scams.
- I learned many more things which i would not mention.

I am constantly learning and tweaking my stealth methods based on trial and error.

I know i am not the only person in this forum that knows these things because Lots of you who are stealth users would come to the same conclusions by trial and error.

I don't have any problem sharing my information on what i learned over the years But I am hesitant in sharing because it seems like no one else that is knowledgeable is sharing.

I feel like... well why should i share my knowledge when no one else is?


Why is everyone on here holding their cards close to their chests?

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Sure go ahead you can have my supplier info as well... here you go take it all... HAPPY?

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I never mentioned anything about suppliers on my first topic.

I am talking about how to operate stealth accounts. Has nothing to do with suppliers.

Example, Today I PM'd someone and gave them advice about how to unlock their paypal account despite this person creating topics on it and no one helping this person. seems weird that no one wants to help this person except for me.

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@DotDot, I have learned a lot through experimentation as well.

See, one issue is that if things are laid out in the open...they tend to get overused, abused, and then don't work anymore.

We do have an inner subscription-only subforum that has a bit more comprehensive discussion.

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We can't possibly help everyone on a 1 on 1 basis, also people give out a ton of crappy advice on a daily basis, it's more work telling others NOT to listen to the crap advice. I would honestly think that we do give enough help. We can't possibly sit here and examine everyone's problem.

I can't even count the amount of times I see people asking how to sell phakes, Vero, High Risk, and Digital crap.....how do you suggest we help these people?

That right there is what it's about, getting enough knowledge to do things on our own.

Perhaps Aspkin can setup some type of 1 on 1 service where people pay to get "personal" help.

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"I learned how to get money back from Paypal if a buyer scams."
You will save me thousands if you can share this one. If the tracking doesn't show delivered but it shows that it landed in the local post, how do I get my money back from paypal?

Thanks a lot for your help :)

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If that is happening with more than one buyer, then you might meed to tweak your practices.

Make a thread on subscribers to discuss would be a start.

:au:

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I agree with OP, but when you learn stuff through experience, you do not want it patched.

I cannot post some stuff that works for me, as it is not considered good practice, risky or whatever......

I would not mind sharing cashout methods, I think I have seen so many over the years, most of which were not worth it and discarded, they usually cost you too much or too convoluted.....

Getting money back from buyer scams - nope not worked that out yet!!!

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THIS.

You will see that mostly the forum DOES try and help as much as possible. We are not here on 24/7 demand though, and some of us have lives, especially on double Bank Holiday Weekends.:thumb:

It gets a little frustrating when:

People asking questions can't be arsed to search the forum to see if the same question hasn't been asked before a dozen times. (Fed up hearing people didn't do it as the wanted an 'up to date' answer. That is just BS for being too damn lazy. The answer is going be the same as when someone asked the question yesterday, someone else last week and someone else 2 weeks ago.)

The same people ask the SAME question 3 or more times in a *day/week/month. (delete as appropriate).

People ask a question, then argue the answer with no obvious grounds to.

People ask questions just so they can gain knowledge to scam/avoid fees.

People ask 30+ questions, in a very short period, expecting to be spoon fed every single minute detail. Instead of actually trying to do some ground work themselves, buy the Stealth Guide, do some back ground reading, and show evidence they are at least making an effort to help themselves.

People flood the forum with loads and loads of new threads in a very short time, (see above), instead of maybe making fewer threads with a few points in each. This results in people not being able to see those who really need help in the first place.

As MM78 rightly said, a lot of time is spent and wasted correcting bad and factually incorrect advice and misinformation on the forum. If this problem was able to be reduced, it would save a hell of a lot of wasted threads and time.

NO ONE is going to give away all their knowledge for free. Why the hell should we?, that is NOT what this forum is about. ( If it was, there wouldn't be a subscriber section.;)) The forum is more about offering guidance and support so people can find their own answers after they have learned the basics. After all, why should a very few do all the hard work so the rest can get an easy ride? When the majority of those getting that free info wouldn't be able to use it effectively anyway as they hadn't done any of the background work required. No point sharing all the info if people haven't got an understanding of the basic mechanics of stealth.:thumb:

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This made me chuckle.

Contradiction much? :FF:

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@realdeals. i actually replied to the posts about how to get paypal to refund you the money from buyers scamming you but i feel like greenbean and others won't be happy so i deleted it.

the post was readable for an hour then i deleted it . I PM'd the users the answer instead.

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had this discussion with someone before. TLDR version:

him: lots of us know how to make 1000 items a month accounts
me: maybe you should tell people how then
him: nah not fair on the account sellers
me: bit of a joke really, forums are for people to learn not be a sales thread
mod: posts deleted

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People can still learn.

Info is out there, just need to do the work and people will be rewarded.

At the end of the day.....forums are kinda here to make make money through sales of the book, subscriptions, whatever fees sellers have to pay the forum to be sellers, etc.....

There is a very, very generous amount of free info here also. I have never purchased an account, or read the stealth book. I have just used the free info on the forum. It really is all you need to operate well, but people have to put in the groundwork and research and not enough people seem willing to do that nowadays. Everybody wants everything immediately with no investment, (time or money), from themselves.

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Why have you a double standard then, DotDot?

Complain about a lack of info being shared yet remove it yourself?

If you have such firm convictions then stand up for them and do not point fingers at others.

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ok.

I'll share but i hope greenbean pm's me with one of your tricks. :)

If Anyone having trouble with getting your money back when a buyers scams you.

File a complaint with financial Ombudsman. (FOS)

There is one for UK..
Financial Ombudsman | Free, fair, for everyone

and One for Australia
https://www.fos.org.au/

you can file a complaint on their websites. Paypal is obligated to do what FOS tells them to do so if you file a complaint with FOS for an unfair ruling and FOS takes your side. Paypal are forced to do the right thing and refund you any money you got scammed. You will need to submit proof to FOS that you where scammed or paypal took money from you unfairly. This is based on the Country's consumer law so whichever country you are in. Make sure you know the consumer laws of the country so you know if you are in the right or wrong.

Filing a complaint with FOS can also work to remove 21 day holds but only if your ebay account is already established. It can also remove some limitations that the FOS claim to be unfair.

I find it odd that this is a forum dealing with limitation and yet no one ever talks about what the FOS can do for paypal disputes and limitations. I searched this forum for ombudsman and hardly no one mentions it. Weird! However it is the #1 way to get paypal to do the right thing.

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You would be better to find out why the seller is being scammed...

Here is a little tip from me to you, DotDot.
eBay Suspension & Paypal Limited Forums - FAQ

Make sure to read the section on PM usage.

Night Night!

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That's very generous. Thank you again!

I wonder if the FOS can force PP to refund me if there is orders that doesn't show "delivered" but does show that the package landed in the local post office and paypal gave the buyer a refund. Any chance to get my money back?

Another situation, 500$ item was sold, the seller wants to return it because hes an idiot and doesn't know how to properly use it and now I need to pay like 250 pound for shipping and I have no idea if he broke it.

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Do you mean seller or buyer?

What country paypal?

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My bad, I meant buyer "buyer wants to return it"
Aussie Paypal.

Also I wonder if there is any chance to get my eBay fees back when customers getting fully refunded.

On a 500$+ items I really want my 10% back.

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I am not selling anything or promoting any services.

The PMs i made had been about information about financial ombudsman helping sellers having trouble with paypal. Strangely the FOS is widely talked about in the "official" ebay forums as a tool to help sellers yet no one ever talks about it on this forum or even mentions it as a tool to help sellers. how come?

funny how there is also way to stop 21 day holds found on the official ebay forums but no one mentions it here either. which proves my point that no one here is being helpful or sharing information

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Not sure this would work in the UK. Paypal asking for ID proof before they release funds, I don't see the FOS doing anything about it?

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According to this article.

Can I take my financial complaint to the financial ombudsman? - Which?

so It should work in the UK if the buyer scams you and paypal took your money. Don't know about 21 day holds in the UK. The main thing I was talking about was how to get your money back if a buyer scams you. Answer. File a complaint with FOS but you will need to submit all proof like tracking number etc and need to make sure you have grounds to get a refund. You need to research consumer laws in the country that you sell.

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I personally wouldnt contact any Financial Ombudsman with regards to a stealth account.

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stop being lazy and read up on consumer rights in the UK. You need to know your seller rights and the rights of your buyers. FOS UK are there to make sure paypal are operating under UK consumer laws. Holding your money at ransom under certain circumstances could be a breach of your consumer seller rights. There are exceptions like anti-money laundering limits which are set by the government etc. It is best for you to research on UK consumer laws so you know if paypal has breached it.

you can start by reading about it here.
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/ab...ghts-act-2015/

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As an outsider, how would the financial Ombudsman (FOS) get your money back, a check, via PayPal, Bank Deposit? and what information does this FOS require from the seller? Also, do they require some type of Identification from the person filing the claim?

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No ID needed. You just fill out a form online and write the details on what you think is unfair and how you think paypal has breached your rights. If paypal took your money because a buyer scammed you. You need to provide them proof that you where scammed and that you deserve that money back. Something like tracking number showing you sent the item, messages with the buyer etc. They are not a government agency so you don't need to worry about your stealth info. They are kind of like 3rd party mediators. If they tell paypal that paypal is in the wrong then paypal will oblige.

It is also against the rules for paypal to punish you for making a complaint to FOS so paypal cannot limit you for making the complaint.

If They tell paypal that they think paypal is in the wrong then paypal will refund you the money through paypal. It isn't FOS who gives you the money. It's Paypal. FOS just tells paypal they made the wrong decision and paypal will oblige.

But I see you have a USA flag and you cannot lodge FOS UK for a Paypal USA account.

Lodging FOS UK is for Paypal accounts registered in UK only.

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I was just curious on this FOS system really, I don't have UK, AU accounts....just like learning.

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Free advice is great and everything, but free advice is usually just a shortcut for a solution. If one wants to understand the reasoning behind the problem and how it happened, a quick free advice thing doesn't really help in the long run.

I've always felt that reading this forum and keeping an eye out for certain topics helps me. Some thing don't apply to me in my current situation, but they will in the future and some things don't apply to me anymore, but I still suggest the ideas to other members because maybe somebody else will read them, and it'll apply to their current situation in life.

Free advice is out there, the forum is full of information and experience- Just because it hasn't been written out as a "Guide to..." form, doesn't mean one can't put pieces together after couple of weeks of reading and learning.

Suggestion: If somebody wants advice, the forum could perhaps possibly have a mentor section where people can sell their advice- As a service.
The same way some of us consult accountants and business advisors, perhaps stealth could have its own little stealth service advisors as well. That means a total rookie could pay for 1 on 1 classes with experienced users.
It would be expensive, as most of the information is out there already and the stuff that is NOT out there, it shouldn't be out there(My opinion, to avoid patterns) BUT it would give a person in need a chance to have a crashcourse into stealth and they can have some much needed attention.

Just an idea.

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I do throw hints and tips out there.... Little carrots here and there... However, you must be a regular contributing member to catch them....

Also, I often answer questions through private messages or trade info, but if I see a newbie or low participation, then I don't even respond.....

I have been given many tricks, how to get high limits when creating accounts for example. However, I feel it might be too close to illegal, or possibly illegal so I don't even bother to mention it for I don't want to create issues for people.

So my point is there are many "tricks" but some of them cross the line. There are people willing to cross that line and I wont help them do it....

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I find the no ID required will be used and abused by scammers. I find this kinda hard to believe that no ID is required.

And if this FOS department is not backed up by the UK government by who is it backed up with. The UK government is either watching this FOS thing or something.

How can Paypal just handle over money to a person because this FOS department said so. It doesnt make sense to me.

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i looooove blackhat!!! its a passion since being kicked off ebay years ago. i been a monster ever since. they will hack and scam you if you dont stay oN point!!! hell we all are black hatting..WE HAVE NO LIMITS!!!!!

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I never mind helping members on here. I am forever grateful that I found this place. But some things cannot be posted in this forum because it is taboo to post it in public. Other things we do not want ebay and paypal to necessarily see we are doing, so its best to keep those secrets sacred. But it is not to keep them from members themselves. People posting should always keep the forum safe from unwanted predators and people looking to start trouble for the forum. Therefore, not everything should be posted in the open.

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I am not here to convince users to use FOS or not. It Simply is a tool that you could use if you wanted to. The more tools and knowledge you have. The better

In my first post I said I know a method on how to get funds back if a buyer has scammed you. People where curious on what this method is and My answer was FOS.

FOS is talked about in the "official" ebay forums and all the information is available on the FOS websites including "if they ask for ID" "how they operate" etc so for those of you interested in these kinds of information. Please just read the information on the FOS website. There is no need for me to copy and paste the same information here for you.

the link to their website.
our aims and values

I hope we could go back on topic now because this topic isn't about FOS.

I got the ball rolling and posted something helpful.

I would like to see others take my lead and share their knowledge because I thought that this is what this forum is about.

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"THE MOST VALUABLE COMMODITY I KNOW OF IS INFORMATION" -Gordon Gekko

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BY 'taboo' you mean illegal as fuark don't you? lol

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1). Quick edit on that post where you took exception to what was quoted .
Nice one.

2). On behalf of other posters who have wondered, just what do YOU think is happening when we reply to posts we answer.

3). What happened here? Rebirth? Canonised?

http://www.aspkin.com/forums/uk-ebay...tml#post712668

Read YOUR post 62...

2nd time.... Contradiction what!

:mod:

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Sorry Completely off topic here I'm a new member but can't for the life of me find how to do a post or a thread where is the button??

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Go to the part of the forum on your topic.

Top line (left side) should say NEW THREAD.

Now here is a wee secret: there may already be an existing thread. You could add your post to it.

What is the question. Happy to wait to see if you post OK.

http://www.aspkin.com/forums/introdu...-accounts.html

Did you want to add something to the above thread?
:thumb:

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True that Ebayorbust and haven't needed to do so on UK account operations as yet /knock on wood.

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Actually it's not a contradiction because you seem to have failed to read the first post of this Topic properly. This is what I wrote In the first post.

So tell me Greenbean. Do you think People would've shared their cashout stores with me if i posted mine? We both know the answer is a big fat No.

which is exactly what I was trying to say in the first Post which you Failed to read properly.

No one in this forum is sharing anything. I don't mind sharing if other people shared back with me. Btw. it's not a contradiction because That's exactly what I said in the very first post of this topic.

I know you have moderator access to see when members edit their Posts and I haven't edited the first post since I posted it. You can check that those comments where Already there from the very start.