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Old 07-09-2009
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Tuck this away somewhere and maybe include the link in the newuser welcome mail?

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I notice a lot of the people who write commit many avoidable errors of syntax and grammar. I submit this list of tips in the hope that it may help them.

1. Verbs has to agree with their subjects.

2. Prepositions are not words to end sentences with.

3. And don't start a sentence with a conjunction.

4. It is wrong to ever split an infinitive.

5. Avoid cliches like the plague. (They're old hat)

6. Also, always avoid annoying alliteration.

7. Be more or less specific.

8. Parenthetical remarks (like the one coming up)(however relevant) are (usually) unnecessary (see?).

9. Also too, never, ever use repetitive redundancies.

10. Contractions aren't necessary and shouldn't be used.

11. Foreign words and phrases are not apropos, lei mi capisce?.

12. Do not be redundant; do not use more words than necessary; it's highly superfluous.

13. Comparisons are as bad as cliches.

14. Analogies in writing are like feathers on a snake.

15. Eliminate commas, that are, not necessary.

16. Never use a big word when a diminutive one would suffice.

17. Use words correctly, irregardless of how others use them.

18. Understatement is always the absolute best way to put forth earth-shaking ideas.

19. Eliminate quotations. As Ralph Waldo Emerson said, "I hate quotations. Tell me what *YOU* know."

20. Puns are for children, not groan readers.

21. Who needs rhetorical questions?

22. Exaggeration is a billion times worse than under-statement.

And probably the most important one...

23. Proofread carefully to see if you any words out.

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--->But why? <---> just for you
This is a forum and not the English lecture hall of an Ivy League College. Insisting on that may prevent those that are shy from posting. Are you taking into account the users whose first language is not English? To get a post with the correct info is hard enough: to start to be pedantic about grammar and punctuation is OTT. If it is not text-speak, 99% of the posts are reasonable.
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Well, I've seen many posts and chatted with many people here who happen to be from quite a few varied locations. Everyone up to this point communicates in english as a first or second language.

Some of the 'second language' members seem to be more fluent than the 'first language' members. Some of the 'second language' users are not quite able to express themselves in a way that is clear to 'first language' members and other dis-similar 'second language' members due to the different source of their language skills.

Many people pick up language skills by usage better than they do by textbook.

I know when I use other forums that do not use english primarily, I get frustrated by my own limitations in the 'second' language I am trying to use. Often, I personally benefit from people who give me general advice on how to improve the flow of my words.

I was thinking maybe something like this might be helpful in aiding others to convey their ideas, points, opinions, questions, and suggestions in a manner more satisfying to all.

It's my suggestion. Nothing more. It may very well be a bad one.

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I wouldn't presume to insist that anyone less than perfect be required to conduct themselves to the nearest exit as rapidly as possible.

I did note right at the top of my suggestion that my hope was that it would or *may* help as many as possible, not necessarily everyone.

Keeping in mind that some users may be using a translator application, a more well structured post will translate more accurately.

Let me use slang as a comparative example. I'm very guilty of using slang or 'expressions' in my posts, even though I try to remind myself that I should not do so.

Suppose you find a VCC that would be useful to me. Suppose that I post a message saying "Sweet! Break me off a piece of that!" Something tells me that wouldn't make a lot of sense to a large number of people who read it. What would the output of a translator look like to the third party? If I were to post "That would be convenient to have for myself. Can you please send me a link or more information via personal message?" It might translate more accurately and may be sensible and clear enough to not even need translating.

Do I look a bit less like an ass, now?

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And thank you for pointing out how rude my choice of phrasing the suggestion may appear to others. See? I failed my own suggestion already. I didn't mean to appear rude. My intent was to be concise. It appears I left out my manners.

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If we could just get a couple of certain members to just click the little Spell Check button on the right after writing their post...

Maybe better than a complete English lesson?
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Three's a splel cechk btuontn?
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'So' what's this all about,Alfie?

23. Proofread carefully to see if you any words out.

Spell-check is not always enabled with vbulletin. Its usage can affect forum performance. Aspkin has said that he is not that concerned (at this point) (but that could change) (like things do)
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Each suggestion is a bad example of what it refers to. I was also trying to employ a bit of humor in the hope that some would not perceive unintended harshness on my part.

23. Proofread carefully to see if you LEFT any words out.

Failed again.

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You guys get what I give you.

Determining how long I have been up working for the day determines my writing skills.

At this moment I'm 8/10 effective. I've only been up for 12 hours so far and I'm going strong at the moment.

Catch me in my 24th hour.. I miss typing entire words at a time.
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I had no idea this would stink so badly.

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You try really hard Vic, you care too much, darling! I am a big fan of yours and love your incredibly useful posts...even if you do post half-naked pics of yourself that cause me to choke....

Most people here communicate fine, they type quickly and have type-os...thats all

I agree with your point about first language speakers writers being put to shame by second languagers, here in UK, most Europeans, especially Scandinavians and Dutch speak/write way better than our 'yoof'
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What's a 'yoof'?

*edit nevermind..

yoof = the youth of today

Urban Dictionary: yoof
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'Yoof' is vat wicwelcro vishes he vas
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Huh? A dog with a speech impediment?!? Oh, yeah, just what I always wanted to be when I grow up...

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