Sites that will give you free good links (dofollow)

[The_Cynic]

Just came across a couple more

Last.fm – The Social Music Revolution a huge PR9 gives good links from your profile page, but if you post on their "Journal" feature, the links are nofollow

Yahoo! 360° - Home PR8 gives good links from your main page with them and from blog pages.

I have been experimenting a little and I will share a few lessons.

--I am trying to get a new site to rank for a relatively competitive phrase.

So, my first plan was to throw a bunch of links at that url. That worked okay, I threw 15 links at it and I got in the top 7 on yahoo and top 5 on microsoft, nowhere, on google though. But on Google, something weird happened, I was using social media (do follow) and the Social Media sites ended up ranking pretty well (3 in the top ten), but for the target url, sucked it hard on Google.

LESSON ----- for Google, Domain cred (PR type factors) means a bunch more than links.

I am selling this item on my amazon account (only seller).

-- So I decided to throw a few links at the amazon url.

WHOA, in less than 2 hours the amazon url was #3 in the Google serps. I will slowly throw a few more links at the Amazon url over the next couple of months to hold the position and hopefully own it. We will see.

** Tactic, you still want to throw links at your own site, but a few links at a strong domain will do wonders in Google. USE PROXY Pages that refer your site/page.

-- Strongest Social domains in Google. by rank ( based on my recent experience). A url from of these can usually get in top ten. ( better if you throw a few more links at it though)

1) DIGG
2) webshots
3) MIXX
4) Plime
5) Stumble

Hope this helps, Cheers!

[Seisei]

Good Job Cynic! another tip is you can link or comments on the blogs which has high pr but related to your sites. Good backlinks will give you higher pr and good keyword rankings.

[The_Cynic]

That is right, but you need to find DO FOLLOW links. Most comments are regulated and contain the rel=No Follow tag. Which google mandates to reduce spam.

However there is a free program which will find relevant forums with good ( do follow) links.

Comment Kahuna | Free Link Building Software

In about 10 minutes using this you can jam out 10 good do follow links in relevant on topic forums. Comment Kahuna ranks the sites by PR too.

If you want to venture into the black hat area and automate the process, search for Xrummer or some of the synd8 stuff.

[The_Cynic]

Something new.

I tried a little experiment last night to see how strongly the ebay review subdomain does in search.

I wrote a review on one of my keywords and then I threw a few links at it last night.

I checked the keyword this morning and whoa, it was #14 for my keyword, which is fairly competitive. That just goes to show you how google places a high value on domain cred. -- USE Proxy pages on Domains with cred.---

Anyway, the challenge now is to keep it moving up.
The answer to doing that lies within the secret of the success of Wikipedia on google. One of the Main reasons wikipedia dominates google serps is because they have a widget which links to another one of their pages whenever that pages' keyword is placed anywhere in wikipedia text on any wikipedia page.
- This gives wikipedia pages massive internal linking strength.
-A lesser known secret is that google counts internal site links almost as much as external site links.

So, the answer for me to move this ebay review url up the serps, is to link to it from my ebay auction and FP item pages. (It is allowed to link to a EBAY review from an item page).

That is not big a deal since you can bulk edit text to the bottom of your listings on TL.

Bingo, next week that ebay review url should have hundreds more internal links.

I will post again to update this.

- Oh. In case you don't know, the incentive to write an ebay review is that you and your stuff get highlighted (including your store) on the ebay review page.--

[The_Cynic]

A little update.

the serps result ranking for the ebay review page has fallen a bit from #14 to #17 ( however I haven't thrown anymore links at it since the first though)

Also the rankings of the Social media proxy pages have fallen a bit.

I think shows Google must use some kind of freshness boost in their results. (newer stuff gets a push up).

[papajohns]

hi cynic just reading though your posts in this thread and its amazing the knowledge you have on this subject . i never knew or understood any of this kind of stuff before reading it.

ihave a website called www.consolemodz.com | Nintendo DS | Xbox Mod Chips | Hard Drives | Mod Chip+Hard Drive Combos | Mod Chip Accessories | Installation Services , i am wondering could you look over it and see what you think and if you have any advice on getting extra traffic would be great cheers mate

your a legend

[The_Cynic]

hey there Shekhar,

I had a look at your site.

quick overview,

You are in the google sandbox because -whois says started aug 08
yahoo show 20 external links mostly -boards.ie, styledesign.in, digital forums and tennison property.
Google pagerank- zero and no alexa or compete rating either

It's a brand new site and it will be a year or so before you get any love from Google no matter how links you can throw at it.

Okay,
If this were my site I would do a couple things

-- put a wordpress blog on the site and set up a rss feed for your products. Write posts about your hottest products using a unique spin that will attract your target market. Then promote those posts on social media sites.

--- load your products to Google base


Because the site is new you will have to use proxies to drive traffic and get serps.

Setup accounts on mixx, digg, delicious, jeqq, bringr etc..
post about your stuff

setup blogs on Livejournal, blogspot, yahoo 360 and wordpress
post about your stuff and interlink

Download the free comment kahuna,
then do a search for relevant do follow blogs using your keywords and do relevant on topic posts including a link back to your site, or a proxy page you are promoting.

Set up a flickr, webshots, pica albums etc...and load your pics, on some you can post links back to your site.

That should give some decent traffic until you get out of the google sandbox.

Cheers!

[The_Cynic]

Hey there,

Is it Zach or Shekar? Whois shows shekar mehta owns the domain, if you registered with him you should get godaddy to transfer the domain to your name.

Anyway, I looked a little more at your site.

You are using asp database query urls, those database query urls (with the ?)
are search engine death.
-- No biggie just add a plugin to rewrite the urls in the bread crumb style.
see yoast breadcrumbs or the redirection plugin

Fixing the urls will help in the serps.

Cheers!

[Caseyjr86]

Hey cynic,

I'm lazy and have a website, I'm willing to pay you to submit my site, and get me some more backlinks if your up to it. I'm sure it would only take an hour or 2 and am willing to pay you pretty well.

Here is the site.. Starcraft 2 Vanilla

(I love video games)

[aspkin]

Yeah and if you do CaseyJR's site, I have a site that needs some work too. Let me know if you have the time.

[papajohns]

meet to cynic pm me if you would be able submit my site properly . shekhar is the guy who designed it for me , he is a nice guy but i should have it in my name yes?

[papajohns]

i would be willing to pay you aswell thanks mate

[The_Cynic]

Hey guys, Thank you for those offers. I appreciate it. Right now though I am swamped with Christmas orders, building my own sites and moving my inventory to Amazon.

I am more than happy though, to stop by in my free time and help on the board though.

A little update on screensaver technique. (where you give away a free CLEAN screensaver from a url you want links to)

-It works ( I gave one lousy screensaver from one of my sites and got about 30 high PR do follow links from the down load sites, which has really helped that site in terms of Page rank and domain cred.)

The only drawback is the time it takes to do those PAD files on the software download sites.

[papajohns]

cynic sorry now but i am an absolute beginner at the whole internet marketing thing.

so just wondering could you explain this comment u made and tell me how i would go about doing this

"Because the site is new you will have to use proxies to drive traffic and get serps"

also rss feeds not to sure about this too how would i go about listing my product or can u explain rss feeds abit

cheers thanks for the advice again

[411guru]

Guys,

I would suggest that you do this internet marketing thing yourselves. Sure you can hire someone to do it and be up and running in 3 days. Or you can do it yourself and be up in 3 weeks. BUT you will learn so much. You have to maintain your websites, ad campaigns etc. How are you going to do that if you yourself didn't set it up? Plus its fun and interesting. At least for me.

How do you go about doing this? Use google and search for those terms you don't understand. Even wikipedia.

[papajohns]

Originally Posted by 411guru

Guys,

I would suggest that you do this internet marketing thing yourselves. Sure you can hire someone to do it and be up and running in 3 days. Or you can do it yourself and be up in 3 weeks. BUT you will learn so much. You have to maintain your websites, ad campaigns etc. How are you going to do that if you yourself didn't set it up? Plus its fun and interesting. At least for me.

How do you go about doing this? Use google and search for those terms you don't understand. Even wikipedia.

cheers mate i have to say i think your right i am finding this very interesting to be honest i have learned so much in the last few days last week all i thought you could do was googleadwords but now i see there is tonnes of tricks and things.

if you have any other advice i would be very grateful? cheers

[The_Cynic]

hey there,

RSS is just an xml file with the latest updates to your site. There are a ton of free plugins to set one up and it is standard in wordpress.

By proxies I mean sites where you can add your own content that links to your site.

For instance a while back if you searched for "Buy Viagra" you would have found the #18 site in google for the that term was a linked in page that had links to a viagra site.

Linked In is business social networking site where you can have a page that links to your company etc..
-- Linked in is a high PR site and the pages from that site do very well in the serps.

So the proxy technique is to just make a page on linked in or any other high PR site where you can add a page. Then throw some links at the linked in or other high PR page. That page should then rank very well for your term. When someone searches your term they will click on the proxy page and then (Hopefully) click through to your site.

It is just a way to get traffic from the serps even if your site does not rank.

[The_Cynic]

A note on the coming new ebay item pages.

Current Ebay rules allow you to link out from your ebay listing to another site for added explanation on your conditions like shipping, warranty, returns etc..
-- The catch is that there cannot be ebay items for sale off that page/site that you link to.

Since ebay has a very high PR this is a free seo gift you are a fool not take advantage of.

Well, ebay switched over all my listings to their new item page over the weekend and because of that, I had a look into the code of the new page.

-On the new item page they have removed all the html and everything is in ajax, iframes and javascript. This is search engine death since the SE crawlers can't read javascript let alone ajax, and they don't read the iframes either.

So the seo value of the off ebay links from your item listings on the new pages is now zero.

Thanks ebay.

Note, they are slowly rolling the new pages, they changed my pages back the next day.

[papajohns]

Originally Posted by The_Cynic

Hey there,

Is it Zach or Shekar? Whois shows shekar mehta owns the domain, if you registered with him you should get godaddy to transfer the domain to your name.

Anyway, I looked a little more at your site.

You are using asp database query urls, those database query urls (with the ?)
are search engine death.
-- No biggie just add a plugin to rewrite the urls in the bread crumb style.
see yoast breadcrumbs or the redirection plugin

Fixing the urls will help in the serps.

Cheers!

is there anyway you can explain more how to do this as i am telling my webdesigner but he does not understand he i asking me to find out how to do it and he will do it ..

thanks mate

[The_Cynic]

The yoast or bread crumb plugins rewrite urls on the fly.

what you have now is database query string for the url

This is bad for a couple reasons.

1. Search engine crawler bots can have hard time getting to your pages, when the bot hits the ? in the url, it does not know what to do.

2. Search engines give you bonus points if your URL matches or partially matches the search query. So if someone searches for

"buy xbox 360 intercooler" a url like yours

---http://www.consolemodz.com/productmain.asp?ID=98-----

will never rank as well as a url like

---http://consolemodz.com/xbox-360/xbox-360-intercooler---


If you don't want to mess the plugins you could just do rewrite on you .htaccess page too.



Any competent site designer should be able to change the urls. the plugins are free.

[aspkin]

Like the URLs for this forum.

[papajohns]

ok now i understand thanks very much that makes alot of sense thanks guys again..