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Default Query: Multiple accounts over cloud

So first my part:
I am using dedicated server to host some 40 VMs via VMware, each on Dedicated IP.
Each VM allocated 20gb+2gb RAM ( SSD )
Server costme some USD 115 each month. using last 4months no lags till now.
Here i would like to know community POV that my way of using or server cost is ok or you have other suggestion or solution.

I heard Azure cost less but never tried or am i wrong ?
Share you monthly amount on server and how many VMs you run ?
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Default Query: Multiple accounts over cloud

I use VMware on my regular desktop each VM has its own dedicated Fresh IP separate from my regular IP. No need to have a separate server in my opinion.

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I use VMware on my regular desktop each VM has its own dedicated Fresh IP separate from my regular IP. No need to have a separate server in my opinion.
I have 2 query with you.

1) How many VMs run simultaneously ?
2) How you suppose to access them when on roaming ?
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I have 2 query with you.



1) How many VMs run simultaneously ?

2) How you suppose to access them when on roaming ?


I access one at a time but you should be able to run several VMs at the same time.

I am using my home high speed internet. There is no roaming since Iím not using cellular data.
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I access one at a time but you should be able to run several VMs at the same time.

I am using my home high speed internet. There is no roaming since Iím not using cellular data.
Yes, with 1 machine its ok but when you run multiple as i said 10+ you need cloud to run them simultaneously to smooth operate.
coz each machine require RAM to run.

Another its good for you coz operate from home PC only, But when we need to move one place to another then we need remote access.

We can make remote access to home PC too but still 1st point stay.

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Yes, with 1 machine its ok but when you run multiple as i said 10+ you need cloud to run them simultaneously to smooth operate.

coz each machine require RAM to run.



Another its good for you coz operate from home PC only, But when we need to move one place to another then we need remote access.



We can make remote access to home PC too but still 1st point stay.



More suggestion are welcome.


Another thing you can do is if you have your main computer house your VMs and you use TeamViewer to remote in from another PC. I am wanting to start running multiple VMs at once and that is how I will do it.
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Another thing you can do is if you have your main computer house your VMs and you use TeamViewer to remote in from another PC. I am wanting to start running multiple VMs at once and that is how I will do it.
Teamviewer: So you gonna purchase it, coz free have limited access.
But if you really wanna use separate home PC, why not active remote access.
no need of teamviewer or other remote software.
Also easy to use.
But again saying, home pc, assume each VM min. 2gb RAM require.( ideal)
You add 10VMs= 20GB only for VM+OS and other apps
Also suggest SSD to avoid laggy.
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Okay, got some ideas for you..

Chrome Remote Desktop instead of Teamviewer. easy to setup and access from any device, fast and free.

Not use Windows virtual Machines, but either Windows contaners, or Linux LXC containers you save 80% resources that way if you are limited in CPU and RAM

enable deduplication between your Guest OS Virtual Storages, you will save Storage cost on every file that exists more than once, like your Guest OS

ALWAYS use virtIO drivers for the VM guest Hardware (install inside VM) and RAM + CPU ballooning --> see Proxmox Wiki for Download, also usable in VBox

If you have root access and install Proxmox, use Spice (virt-viewer) instead of Chrome RDP for local access

Skip the whole plan with your 20 VMs, too much overhead, Resources, Energy and Cost(!!), invest the time in sourcing a good Proxy Provider (not VPN) and Build a fingerprinted Browser yourself with some automation software and automate the whole thing. will run on 1c/2gb smoothly (including windows 1gb of ram and 3-400mb free) or just use sphere browser or different browser profiles with proxy addon, one VM per account is much overkill..

For my own setup, i have xeon e5-2690v2 (10c/20t), 64gb ram, 1tb nvme raid 10.
Proxmox PVE

It runs 1 Jarvee VM 4c/4gb/32gb(15 free)
5 Automation VMs 8c/8gb/50gb (lots of cached chrome browser profiles there)
1 Nextcloud (4c/4gb)
1 extra MySQL (4c/8gb/32gb) for managing communication between VMs
1 extra only for making backups from shared VM NAS
1 extra as workstation (16c/16gb), the other stuff uses so much less than i expected

i know that CPU cores and RAM added together don't match with the server specs, that is ballooning, it shifts resources to the VM who needs it.. the 8c/8gb are not reserved and assigned, but rather a "maximum allowed" value, which is almost never even close to be needed

Conclusion after 6months uptime: less cores -> average CPU utilisation is 5-7% and there is a LOT of automation stuff running on there, i even use it as workstation
ram is okay -> 32 of the 64gb is cache for ZFS
nvme's are too slow, there are too many random reads and writes with the browser profiles, especially when VMs backup once a night i got so much delay it feels like an old hdd... on 2x2 raid10 nvme!

Also, the Jarvee and automation VMs could easily be downgraded to 1c/2gb, but i let them as is in case i program directly inside them

hope that helps for your decision

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Another thing you can do is if you have your main computer house your VMs and you use TeamViewer to remote in from another PC. I am wanting to start running multiple VMs at once and that is how I will do it.
Logmein works along the same way
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Okay, got some ideas for you..



Chrome Remote Desktop instead of Teamviewer. easy to setup and access from any device, fast and free.



Not use Windows virtual Machines, but either Windows contaners, or Linux LXC containers you save 80% resources that way if you are limited in CPU and RAM



enable deduplication between your Guest OS Virtual Storages, you will save Storage cost on every file that exists more than once, like your Guest OS



ALWAYS use virtIO drivers for the VM guest Hardware (install inside VM) and RAM + CPU ballooning --> see Proxmox Wiki for Download, also usable in VBox



If you have root access and install Proxmox, use Spice (virt-viewer) instead of Chrome RDP for local access



Skip the whole plan with your 20 VMs, too much overhead, Resources, Energy and Cost(!!), invest the time in sourcing a good Proxy Provider (not VPN) and Build a fingerprinted Browser yourself with some automation software and automate the whole thing. will run on 1c/2gb smoothly (including windows 1gb of ram and 3-400mb free) or just use sphere browser or different browser profiles with proxy addon, one VM per account is much overkill..



For my own setup, i have xeon e5-2690v2 (10c/20t), 64gb ram, 1tb nvme raid 10.

Proxmox PVE



It runs 1 Jarvee VM 4c/4gb/32gb(15 free)

5 Automation VMs 8c/8gb/50gb (lots of cached chrome browser profiles there)

1 Nextcloud (4c/4gb)

1 extra MySQL (4c/8gb/32gb) for managing communication between VMs

1 extra only for making backups from shared VM NAS

1 extra as workstation (16c/16gb), the other stuff uses so much less than i expected



i know that CPU cores and RAM added together don't match with the server specs, that is ballooning, it shifts resources to the VM who needs it.. the 8c/8gb are not reserved and assigned, but rather a "maximum allowed" value, which is almost never even close to be needed



Conclusion after 6months uptime: less cores -> average CPU utilisation is 5-7% and there is a LOT of automation stuff running on there, i even use it as workstation

ram is okay -> 32 of the 64gb is cache for ZFS

nvme's are too slow, there are too many random reads and writes with the browser profiles, especially when VMs backup once a night i got so much delay it feels like an old hdd... on 2x2 raid10 nvme!



Also, the Jarvee and automation VMs could easily be downgraded to 1c/2gb, but i let them as is in case i program directly inside them



hope that helps for your decision


Too complicated backamblock.


Rsot, I agree.
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So i assume in short for many VMs ( 20+) online server is best option compare to home pc.
Reason: you can get good hardware and easy to access from anywhere.

Now my point is:
Using below configuration,
2x Intel Xeon E5-2670
Cores: 2x 8x 2.60 GHz (Dual Eight Core)
128 GB RAM
2x 1 TB SSD (Hardware RAID 1)
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Paying USD 115 / month

Am i paying overprice or good one.
What is your server and configuration ?
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So i assume in short for many VMs ( 20+) online server is best option compare to home pc.
Reason: you can get good hardware and easy to access from anywhere.

Now my point is:
Using below configuration,
2x Intel Xeon E5-2670
Cores: 2x 8x 2.60 GHz (Dual Eight Core)
128 GB RAM
2x 1 TB SSD (Hardware RAID 1)
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Paying USD 115 / month

Am i paying overprice or good one.
What is your server and configuration ?

i think you will need way less cores. w10 LTSB with just a browser and nothing more runs very good on 0.5c/1gb even.. and only has maximum of 10% cpu utilization for usual browsing.
w10LTSB has 0.6gb ram after clean install with all updates
so worst case, all vms are online the same time, you can easily work and browse with all of them on 10-12 threads (5-6 cores) and 32gb ram, which includes 1-2 cores and some GB ram for the host OS
more power is good, but if you want to save, you do not need it.
i think you can cut your ram to 64GB, even with all 16 cores/32threads this will be way more than you need.

the price you get for this hardware looks very good tho, if you want to expand later it is a good server


what host OS are you using?
what guest OS are you using?
how many Browser tabs will you have open in one VM?


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Too complicated backamblock.


Rsot, I agree.
for manual work like with different browser profiles, sure, 100% agree.
you can as well use firefox containers for this.

this setup is nothing at all about manual work tho..
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the price you get for this hardware looks very good tho, if you want to expand later it is a good server


what host OS are you using?
what guest OS are you using?
how many Browser tabs will you have open in one VM?
Host OS: Windows 2012 R2 Server
Guest OS: Win 7 ( 20gb HDD, 2 GB RAM )
Each VM open 2-2 tabs ( paypal+gmail+1)

I am thinking to have guest OS on linux to save more but unfortunately IPBurger software doesn't support linux yet.

Around 35VMs are running as of now+few remote connection.
Out of 128GB RAM using 62% while CPU at 2% only.
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Just use firefox portable on the server
no need to for vms
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Just use firefox portable on the server
no need to for vms
Ohh yeah!! You have given awesome idea and we never knew it.
Spare few mins what are we talking
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Host OS: Windows 2012 R2 Server
Guest OS: Win 7 ( 20gb HDD, 2 GB RAM )
Each VM open 2-2 tabs ( paypal+gmail+1)

I am thinking to have guest OS on linux to save more but unfortunately IPBurger software doesn't support linux yet.

Around 35VMs are running as of now+few remote connection.
Out of 128GB RAM using 62% while CPU at 2% only.
W7 is out of service now, keep that in mind

W10ltsb i have clean install disk usage of 9gb compressed with dism cleanup and compressOS:always but keep some 5gb spare as it is pretty hungry with updates. After that it copresses again so it is temporary.

That's a lot of vms, did you think about going containers to save on resources? Or do you need them to be more secure in kernel things that usual browsing?

With VPN you should be able to connect from any OS, as the protocol is most likely openvpn, you dont need extra software for that, it is a simple yay -S or apt-get install or whatever distro you want to use

Regarding your host os, Proxmox for example has containers inbuilt easily. They have prebuilt containers for debian for example, just install xfce desktop and browser, save as template and you are all set to copy it for as many vms as you need. Ram consumption of the container will be +-200mb with these 4 tabs.

I have no experience with windows as host other than virtualbox, but they have pretty much stuff in there too with hyper V containers. Should work the same.

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Just use firefox portable on the server
no need to for vms
Now please explain to me how 35 people with rdp should work with firefox portable on ONE desktop.. at the same time ..
You remember those old games where you can play multiplayer on one keyboard?

Nice selfkill bro

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