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Hi guys,

I was wondering if I would get in trouble if I decided to sell something with my legit account and buy it from myself with one of my stealth accounts to get the money out. I would only do it once per account but would it work. Item would cost about $450.

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I think it depends. like you have to change IP addresses for sure otherwise it is shell bidding. then I don't know about the other account if it is fairly new they will hold that amount of money.

Shilling surely? A bit naughty.

I think its fairly doable Maurice providing both accounts have completely different information & ip addresses. But i have no experience in doing this im sure their ppl on the forum have done it b4

Considering all information is different, and nothing can be linked. I'd say it is doable, but don't make a habit of it or it will more than likely get linked. And be smart about it, wait a few days to leave feedback for each other etc. Make it seem as a legit transaction.

thanks for the quick responses guys. the legit account is about 5 years old but has a negative balance of about $165. I know that I cannot just transfer the funds from my stealth account so I'd like to pay to myself by faking a sale. Info is totally different and I have multiple ips setup already.

well it all sounds good. Give it a go and let us know how you get on :-)

i have a question about my stealth account. without having ssn on file am i limited to $500 worth of sales or just $500 that i can withdraw? my sells will reach around $800 in a month but can i withdraw 499 and buy something with the rest of the money? i am afraid to leave money in the paypal accounts.

Well I hate to rain on your parade.

Not a good idea at all.

Doing that links your accounts. That amount of money going to stealth is enough to trip a limitation flag. Your nice old 5 year paypal account could get limited as well.

if these quick-fix practices worked, dont you think there would be dozens of threads saying do it do it? Are there such threads? No.
My advise is to correctly format your stealth account to get your own money WITHOUT using quick fixes :pop2:

Oh Boy,,,,,,Here we go Again,,,,,,,,

Why in the world would you Risk a Legit Paypal account,,,When all you need to do is attach a Bank account,,,Not to Mention Paying Paypal twice,,,,,

Take your money out S L O W L Y over time and you will be fine,,,,

What you are talking about doing I Have tried in More Combinations and Flavors than there are Stars in the Sky,,,,,ALL FAILED,,,,,,,,,,,,,


Sorry,,,,But you did NOT Re-invent the Wheel,,This time,,,,

If you attempt this you will at some Point Regret it,,,,

sorry guys and thanks too. i am new to this. i have read the ebay stealth book but am still left in the dark about certain areas. mainly how to get the money out. i am afraid that if a buyer does a chargeback on one one my stealth accounts that paypal will try to take the money from my checking account to cover the balance owed. i don't want to risk damaging my credit with a so-called stealth account. also, why would buying from myself be a problem? it seems like it's the same as if you bought from me or vice versa because all info is different including ip. how would a one time transaction link the two accounts and give them the idea that i am the owner of both? please explain i am lost.

Yes, you can do it. However, as long as both accounts are stealth accounts. Make sure both have different home adress,phone and etc... as to be a stealth account. Else, you'll get caught and kicked outta Ebay and Paypal.

Is this going to be an ebay transaction?

If so do you know that an item worth $450 will be seen as high risk.
(think along the lines of MC010 & MC0169 suspensions)

Why does the paypal have a NEGATIVE balance?
Part of that $450 will go to clearing the negative balance. That leaves you only
$285 from the foo-foo™ sale. Not worth it.
Why do you think paypal even likes this legit old 5 year account? It's flagged because of the negative balance. Soon as there is a transaction, there's a big chance a human will look at the transaction. They will think, oh has an account been hijacked to try to fix the balance'. They will hold everything. They will check everything. You will get limits.
My advise is to reconsider. Please pay attention to slapped's post. We KNOW what we are talking about in terms of damaging a legit account :peace:

You could always take one of the systems out of the loop and sell something on one of the alternatives, and then at least you do not have to worry about ebay hunting for shill bidders and most of the alternatives have a free to list and sell option.

Paypal tends to be a little more relaxed off ebay so it may be a better option.

ebay and pp are a minefield enogh of their own, without us needing to plant more bombs for ourselves

briefly: DON"T DO IT

odds are more than likely you will regret it. its just not worth risking a good account

Well - I am surprised that 5 year negative paypal is not already limited - consider yourself "somewhat" lucky...but as GB and other people have said - it is quite likely that once you fixed this balance, it will go into limitation.

It's the way Paypal does it - makes sense on their part, freeze the account to make sure it does not go negative again.

@dMaurice, what you are proposing is very high risk. The paypal that is 5 years old, unpaid - let it go - unless is it in your real name?

The 5 year old pp is in my name and just went negative a few weeks ago. I could just transfer mlney from my bank to fix it but I don't want them freeze my account after. It is my main sellers account since 2004. Should I resolve the negative balance then proceed with my plan? Remember main account is totally legit, in my name, and I have the debit card for over a year. Stealth accounts are not linked to me and I have a solution for the ip change. Please advise.

if i resolve my negative balance would i be good to go? i sell high priced items all the time with my legit account. i sell lots of satellite and a/v equipment that usually goes for around $400. is it the stealth account that i should be concerned with. are new account holders not allowed to make big purchases with their own legit money?

Ah ok - it just went negative few weeks ago. If you want to keep operating it, you MUSt resolve negative balance.

That being said, 99% you will be limited after paying the balance. I had an account go negative recently myself - I uploaded funds from bank and it went limited - light limitation for address confirmation and utility.

ok, but that should not be a problem because it is a legit account with my real info. once i resolve everything, will i be in the clear to continue selling my high priced items. i am fully established and have been selling for years.

@rsot - were you able to resolve everything and how long did limitation last? i plan to resolve my balance today and put my plan into effect. unless others still advise against it.

i was also wondering if i did go through with my plan and really send a package with tracking to the stealth address with no return address, then left positive feedback for myself with stealth account, would that throw them off and get them to leave me alone? that would show that item arrived and ⊗⊗⊗⊗ buyer was satisfied. remember this would only be a one time deal then i'd try it with a new stealth account later. please advise.

@mallshop

why would both accounts have to be stealth? i wanted to use my legit account as the sellers account so that i could provide any proof if necessary. also, so that i would have the funds in an account in which i have the debit card. i could send paypal anything including receipts if i can use my legit account to sell.

do you all think it is wise to use my legit account so i can withdraw with paypal debit card? i just thought it was better because it is instant as opposed to using a stealth account and waiting 3-5 days for money to be transferred to a bank that has all my real info anyway. a lot can happen in that time frame.

any thoughts???

I am in the process of getting it lifted - that phone number is gone so it's a hassle.

The purpose of avoiding paying yourself is potential for linking and limitation. One time won't prob do anything but a lot of Paypal for-sure ideas are up in the air - nothing is set.

An ebay purchase is relatively safe.

And, yes, I did this way back in the day on 2 accounts - haven't touched them in awhile - thanks for the reminder ha. Regardless, it's not the best way to go. Ah the memories...

i have read everyone's posts and have decided to go through with my plan. if anyone thinks i shouldn't let me know. thanks

:thumb:If I gave you gold would you be pleased? Of course you would.:FF:

You have a paypal debit card. That is GOLD since you already have it. If you muck up the account that debit card is attached to, you end up having neither the debit card nor the account.:faint:
Think what a paypal deibt card is:boink: Think how you can use it to your advantage.
Stealth users can not easily get paypal debit cards.
The dirtest word with stealth is LINK. Something done as a one off is too risky.
You have other options.

Me,,I Do Not think you should do it,,,,I DO Not understand why You simply will NOT Withdraw to a Bank account,,,,There is NO DOUBT in my mind as to what will Happen at some point,,But then again,,Truthfully,,,I Really do Not care,,,There is only so Much I can do to Help you,,,at the end of the Day MY Paypal accounts will be safe and sound,,,,,

One legit paypal account receiving $450 from more than one stealth account.

So say this is done x4 times, that's 4 linkages to the one legit paypal account.
paypal are going to CHECK.

Purpose of the forum is try to help users understand how to beat ebay/paypal. I certainly try to never enable stupidity:smash:

Good Day

Ok, thank you all for your help. I was just afraid to attach my real info to the stealth accounts (bank info). The other reason is because it takes up to 5 days to transfer to bank. By then, buyer could receive their item and file a false claim. This has happened to me many times and I've been left with no item and no money. Its sad how people can be so corrupt but it happens. Suggesttions...?

Say I have 4 stealth accounts and I like the items that you are selling from your legit account. Are you telling me that if I decide to buy 1 item a week from you using a new account each week, that @ the end of the month paypal will think you own your account as well as all 4 of mine? How can they prove anything? Is sounds like they would be assuming and falsely accusing you. Please give feedback.

So we are talking about using stealth accounts? I guess you have not used them B4? I do understand about how that makes a person feel worried.

What I do is have an account that is just by coincidence stealth ;) I set up paypal, I add a bank account made in my real name & attach that to paypal. 99% of banks dont see the name. (It's not too much of a problem really.) For ebay, when it comes to listing you can define what you want: paypal immediate payment required. Items to be sent out signed delivery.
These are the things to do. Is this a help for you?:peace:


ETA: We cross posted...

Thanks that does help. But you have a real bank account opened and attached to all of your stealth accounts? Isn't that scary if something goes wrong. Also can you respond to my scenario about me using 4 stealths to buy from your 1 legit? Remeber its once per stealth and never again also with tracking and feedback.

We are two different people.;) Yep, assuming and making false accusations are the first rule of paypal. I know enough of how they operate. Have no need to tell you otherwise. From what you have written I'm 99% sure I could tell you things about your stealth accounts you might not think I should know. If I can do that just from posts, what do you think paypal will do when they have access to all details.?

Transactions like that, on a value of $450 per item, raise flags. First thing likely, probable AND does happen, is paypal check you out. That immediately stops 'movement' on the buying/stealth account.
Multiply that by your x4 other stealth accounts. All stopped, no money going anywhere but paypal. All have the potential to be limited.
Have accounts that are stealth but dont associate them with your legit. account just to get your own money. Please:peace:

Ok, thank you so much.do you know anything about the nfinanse prepaid debit. I read that it works for withdrawl and I have one. I have not attached it but it does come with a bank account. I'll try that. Should I just stop using my legit ebay and paypal because I'm sure there are stealth users out there that buy from me anyway? And like I said, most of my items sell for around $400.

GB - cheers to you for devoting so much to this thread.

All the best dmaurice - seems you are set.

Hang a banger!!! theres a paypal debit card? where can i get one of these magical items?