Paypal Holds - Borrowing Friend's Account

Rosath · #1 10-29-2017

Hey guys,

My Paypal got a 21 days hold on 100% of my payments, it's ruining my cashflow.

I have a close friend that has a Paypal account I could use. I just want to make sure I don't get limited on this one as well.

Approx sales a day: 5k.
Account age: 3 years
Activity: None

I'd do this:

1. Use her Paypal
2. Use her bank account
3. Duplicate my website with a different logo and name
4. Use another IP
5. Turn the account from personal to business
6. Put 1 million/month and average transaction $ to the highest in the settings
7. Upload all tracking numbers within 2 days
8. Leave 1k in the account

What would be the odds of getting limited again?

ebaystealth1974 · #2 10-29-2017

If they haven't been selling on that account, and you start off selling fast like that, they'll put the brakes on for you!

Rosath · #3 10-29-2017

That's what I thought.

I'm trying to understand their algo to avoid problems.

I am currently working with loans & investors to sustain my sales.

If I keep making so many sales on my limited account, will they freeze it?

I can figure a way to work with the 21 days hold. But if they're going to freeze my assets (over 105k spread on 21 days if I maintain the rhythm) I'm gonna be ****ed.

I'm adding tracking numbers to every transactions. I'll refund any charge backs or complaints.

With all the horror stories going around I don't trust them.

BaggaDonuts · #4 10-29-2017

Yea, you spike 5k/day in sales on an account it sends up the red flag, flare signal, plays the trumpets, and fires the cannons saying 'someone come review this account right now please'.

They can impose the 21 day hold no matter how old & base it on risk to them. If you are shipping physical goods, you can upload the tracking #'s to help cut the 21 day down to 7 days after the goods are marked as delivered.

nickopedia · #5 10-29-2017

5k/day in sales with no prior history of those amount on that account?
Is this a joke?

It's going to setup massive red flags, for sure. That account will likely get limited right off the bat and get thrown into review; PP will take a manual look and require underwriting/vetting since 5k average per day is well above their standard threshold.

rsot · #6 10-29-2017

Welcome to the forums - all the best as you master stealth

Odds are not in your favour - make backup accounts and spread

rsot · #7 10-29-2017

GreenBean · #8 10-30-2017

Is that your latest photo,rsot?

Pink is quite your color then.

Rosath · #9 10-30-2017

The post approval came a bit after you guys answered.

Thank you. I won't do that.

I may start to warm up a few accounts though.

Could you please answer this part?:

That's what I thought.

I'm trying to understand their algo to avoid problems.

I am currently working with loans & investors to sustain my sales.

If I keep making so many sales on my limited account, will they freeze it?

I can figure a way to work with the 21 days hold. But if they're going to freeze my assets (over 105k spread on 21 days if I maintain the rhythm) I'm gonna be ****ed.

I'm adding tracking numbers to every transactions. I'll refund any charge backs or complaints.

With all the horror stories going around I don't trust them.

ebaystealth1974 · #10 10-30-2017

Whatever you do, please don't let more than you're willing to lose accumulate in Paypal. Sure as hell nowhere near 100k lol

Rosath · #11 10-30-2017

Damn.

No choice but to slow down my growth then...

**SaiJin** · #12 10-30-2017

First of all I'd never use a friend's account. I could jeopardize that person's records...
Plus why do that when you can just make your own?

----> stealth guide

Trying to get around the 21 day hold is NOT the right mindset to have. You need to work with it and not against it. Everything that you have mentioned will just get you in trouble whether you understand the algo or not.

If you are serious in doing high volume business, read the guide and learn how to operate your business correctly.
And we can help you with that if you are open to it.

Rosath · #13 10-30-2017

This link doesn't work for me.

I'd definitely be in to work with that 21 days hold. I'm currently uploading ALL tracking numbers to Paypal. I ship internationally, after 2 days, so that's 16 days.

I also provide customer support within 24 hours. What I can not avoid is long shipment times (up to 30 business days) because some countries like Serbia are just really far.

I'd like to know what I need to avoid doing, and what I need to do. The worse case scenario right now is I trigger some red flags and they freeze my account and assets.

My main shipping companies are 4PX, ePacket & NLpost.

I can't work without Paypal. I tried, it's ugly.

nickopedia · #14 11-01-2017

auctionstealth.com is a safe site. The problem was confirmed by the admin that the problem is with AVG, they are false-reporting that site.

It's suggested you either disable AVG or use another Av product to get around that issue.

Rosath · #15 11-01-2017

I bought the book. Going through it.

Rosath · #16 11-01-2017

Update:

I read everything. Good material. Only a small portion applies to me.

If I understand correctly, making other accounts will not solve my problem. I'd need to make one everyday to stay under the radar... And even then... It wouldn't make any sense.

I have a list of what I need to avoid doing to trigger further limitations. That, I will not do.

Now my questions are:

It's said you need not to withdraw thousands at a time. I'm doing 5k sales a day. I can't possibly withdraw less than that. I however understand I will need to withdraw only 1 time per 24 hours. Any solutions to that? Call Paypal before withdrawing?...

I hire VAs to upload tracking info. I live in Canada, they live in the US. Can I keep doing this? They have a user account. Paypal recently asked me to change my password because of this though.

High-Risk credit. I applied to 3 credit cards and scored a 10k loan last week. Also upgraded my CC form 6k to 12k. That's a massive red flag. Any way I can fix this? Or is it too late?

I'm trying to scale my business. I scaled down to 1500$ in sales a day. I could easily be making 25k right now. Any way I can do this after my 21 days hold?

What are the odds of them freezing my account? I can work with a 21 days hold, but not more.

Note: Without Paypal I am NOT making any money. My customers WANTS Paypal. Most don't have any credit cards. They send checks to PP, then pay me.

Please help me! I'll take any info. I'll also kill for info on how to lift this 21 day hold and keep my account in excellent standing.

ebaystealth1974 · #17 11-01-2017

You'll slow your ass down...building gradually, or you'll find a way to do it without Paypal. It's THAT simple.

BaggaDonuts · #18 11-02-2017

If the products on your website are against the Paypal Acceptable Use Policy, the age of the Paypal account won't matter. If everything is above-board, you can go for it but you'll have the 21-day hold for around 90 days most likely even with uploading tracking on everything. Once you upload tracking and send the product, the funds will release about 7 days after the tracking is marked as 'delivered'. So it is not a true 21-day hold on physical goods. Most of the time you can get those funds coming in about 10 days. If you don't have the cash to float a month's worth of sales, build up until you can.

For your questions: Try accessing your Paypal from a cheap VPS, but use a fresh VPN from a place like IPBurger. This will allow your VA to log in to the VPS + use the same IP by connecting with the VPN from the VPS. Do not use the VPS IP to access Paypal.

You can try buying the Canadian accounts from a seller here doing those. The ones free of 21-day holds are a little spendy, and not guaranteed they won't lock back up when you roll $5,000 through them in a day.

Good luck

shad0wd0wn · #19 11-02-2017

Even if the account were aged an entire year, being built up slowly, I don't think one stealth account can take in that volume without a red flag

unless I'm doing something wrong..

KayKay · #20 11-02-2017

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rosath

Update:

I read everything. Good material. Only a small portion applies to me.

If I understand correctly, making other accounts will not solve my problem. I'd need to make one everyday to stay under the radar... And even then... It wouldn't make any sense.

I have a list of what I need to avoid doing to trigger further limitations. That, I will not do.

Now my questions are:

It's said you need not to withdraw thousands at a time. I'm doing 5k sales a day. I can't possibly withdraw less than that. I however understand I will need to withdraw only 1 time per 24 hours. Any solutions to that? Call Paypal before withdrawing?...

I hire VAs to upload tracking info. I live in Canada, they live in the US. Can I keep doing this? They have a user account. Paypal recently asked me to change my password because of this though.

High-Risk credit. I applied to 3 credit cards and scored a 10k loan last week. Also upgraded my CC form 6k to 12k. That's a massive red flag. Any way I can fix this? Or is it too late?

I'm trying to scale my business. I scaled down to 1500$ in sales a day. I could easily be making 25k right now. Any way I can do this after my 21 days hold?

What are the odds of them freezing my account? I can work with a 21 days hold, but not more.

Note: Without Paypal I am NOT making any money. My customers WANTS Paypal. Most don't have any credit cards. They send checks to PP, then pay me.

Please help me! I'll take any info. I'll also kill for info on how to lift this 21 day hold and keep my account in excellent standing.

Just ship whatever you're selling with tracking and funds will be released 3 days after delivery. They usually do 21-day hold if your account is younger than 90 days, BUT can sometimes still put it on a few transactions. Buying an AGED stealth account WILL NOT matter. If you have $1.5k a day coming in that sh*t is gonna flag. You need to slow down to about $1-$1.5k a MONTH max on an AGED PP account in my opinion. So in summary, ship your stuff to get your money quicker and reduce sales to $1k a month and slowly build up every month. That's really your only options unless there's something I don't know.

Rosath · #21 11-02-2017

Thank you for all the answers. I really appreciate it.

Seams like stealth is not the solution for my situation. I'll still try it & call PP prior to the stealth account opening with a professional business portfolio to get pre-approved by them. I'll see if it gets limited. Worth the try. Someone said it works for him.

I tried working without Paypal. Went from 500$ days in profits to -500$ lol. Ouchies.

So I'll keep uploading everything and just pray that they won't freeze my account for NO REASON like they like to do.

My business is legit and presents no more risk than any other business out in the streets.

PS: My account was old, with a big sales history, and I still got pending payments on ALL my transactions. But I did some minor stuff I shouldn't have as well.

I'm working with the 21 days hold right now but I'm just afraid they'll keep that money for 180 days. That would end me. And it seems nothing can stop them from doing this as they please.

KayKay · #22 11-02-2017

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rosath

Thank you for all the answers. I really appreciate it.

Seams like stealth is not the solution for my situation. I'll still try it & call PP prior to the stealth account opening with a professional business portfolio to get pre-approved by them. I'll see if it gets limited. Worth the try. Someone said it works for him.

I tried working without Paypal. Went from 500$ days in profits to -500$ lol. Ouchies.

So I'll keep uploading everything and just pray that they won't freeze my account for NO REASON like they like to do.

My business is legit and presents no more risk than any other business out in the streets.

PS: My account was old, with a big sales history, and I still got pending payments on ALL my transactions. But I did some minor stuff I shouldn't have as well.

I'm working with the 21 days hold right now but I'm just afraid they'll keep that money for 180 days. That would end me. And it seems nothing can stop them from doing this as they please.

Yea just wait for the holds to pass and provide tracking. You might be good.