Red Sox v Cardinals Who are you taking?

Sandy D · #1 10-20-2013

Wow, my Red Sox made it back to the WS for the first time since 2007.

They have had some really good teams in 08-09-11 but this time this team plays with a ton of heart and grit which I like.

Complete team top to bottom.

Dont even know how the Cards got to the WS other then good pitching but they are in it.

Red Sox in 6.

rsot · #2 10-20-2013

That last game by the Cards 9-0 was a punisher.

Yesterday's game of Red Sox was fun to watch.

Going to be a gritty series...Red Sox in 5 even but have to rethink.

Sandy D · #3 10-21-2013

Have to laugh as some ESPN idiot announcers were talking about player in this world series and said Carlos Beltran is the best on either side. One said he is a future HOF.

Good but not a HOF in my eyes.

rsot · #4 10-22-2013

Still far to go to become HOF - we will see what happens.

Sandy D · #5 10-22-2013

Far too many players who have not made it that would be long ahead of him.

And they are missing one the best players of all time Pete Rose.

An0nym0u$ · #6 10-22-2013

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Far too many players who have not made it that would be long ahead of him.

And they are missing one the best players of all time Pete Rose.

Pete Rose made his bed. He will never be let in the HOF. Yes, he was a great player, but he did the worst possible thing.

As the manager of the Reds, he could control the outcome of the games he was betting on. He claimed he never bet against his team to lose, but are we sure we can believe him?

Betting on baseball is worse than steroids. It strikes to the integrity of the sport. The Black Sox scandal nearly destroyed the sport.

Guys get caught w/ steroids and they get suspended 50 games for a first offense (unless your A-Rod!). The moment they bet on the games, its an instant lifetime ban...no questions asked.

If people thought the games were fixed, why would we watch?

Sandy D · #7 10-22-2013

For me he did it post player years so his actual playing years should be counted only.

What he does after he is a player is different for me.

Many other athletes never got penalized like Lawrence Taylor and many others for what they did after they stopped playing.

What Bonds, McGwire and A Rod did is cheat while they were playing and received multiple bonus checks etc for doing certain things.

Two different issues for me.

Cheating while playing and after retiring to me should be looked at in a different manner.

As a lifelong baseball fan I dont like cheating of any kind and believe Rose did wrong but not as a player.

I am sure many others have bet on games in all sports to change the outcome of a game they were actually playing in. Rose never did that.

vogeltron · #8 10-23-2013

I've had the Cardinals since September. I put money on them in Nevada. They are best run organization in baseball. That is who can't spend unlimited funds. I read something like 20 of the 25 men on the roster are home grown. They have countless young pitchers that throw heat. The Bullpen is one after another coming in throwing 97-98. They get the key free agents they need and make smart baseball decisions. I really don't know how they do it. 4 World Series in the Past 10 years. Congrats to St. Louis. Such a great baseball city. Not really so much for other sports. But the Cardinals they have one of the best fan bases in baseball.

To be honest I have no idea how my Giants came back down 1-3 in the NLCS against them last year. Seeing all the flamethrowers on the Cardinals I am sure is why they swept the Tigers.

vogeltron · #9 10-23-2013

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Originally Posted by Sandy D

For me he did it post player years so his actual playing years should be counted only.

What he does after he is a player is different for me.

Many other athletes never got penalized like Lawrence Taylor and many others for what they did after they stopped playing.

What Bonds, McGwire and A Rod did is cheat while they were playing and received multiple bonus checks etc for doing certain things.

Two different issues for me.

Cheating while playing and after retiring to me should be looked at in a different manner.

As a lifelong baseball fan I dont like cheating of any kind and believe Rose did wrong but not as a player.

I am sure many others have bet on games in all sports to change the outcome of a game they were actually playing in. Rose never did that.

McGwire had nothing but power. Bonds was a 3 time MVP before he even allegedly touched the stuff. I am sure he looked at chumps like McGwire and Sosa and Brady Anderson and every other pc of crap who couldn't play a lick. And said well this is unfair if the MLB isn't going to do crap about it I will get on an even playing field myself. He did and was uncontested the best baseball player over the 5-7 year span. 232 Walks in a season that is unreal. Hitting for average, etc. At AT&T park. 73 home runs. Guys talking Roids can't hit 30 there. Best offensive player I ever saw. Bud Selig should be banned from baseball forever for sticking his head in the sand and wanting Home Runs and excitement after the strike. Also the MLBPA and the Owners for letting it all happen.

An0nym0u$ · #10 10-23-2013

^^^Makes me appreciate guys like Frank Thomas and Ken Griffey Jr. more. Thomas is extremely underrated. Built like a tank, hit the ball a mile, and was adamant against the steroid users of his generation.

Griffey is the best all around player I've ever seen (I don't count Bonds). Griffey hit over 630 steroid free home runs! That's 4th all time behind the clean hitters...Aaron, Ruth, Mays.

I agree Cardinals are the best run organization in baseball....since 2000, they've been to the NLCS 8 times...that's insane! My Mets can't even make it to the damn playoffs!

rsot · #11 10-23-2013

Disappointed that no Canadian player is on either roster...a bit disappointed hah

Sandy D · #12 10-23-2013

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^^^Makes me appreciate guys like Frank Thomas and Ken Griffey Jr. more. Thomas is extremely underrated. Built like a tank, hit the ball a mile, and was adamant against the steroid users of his generation.

Griffey is the best all around player I've ever seen (I don't count Bonds). Griffey hit over 630 steroid free home runs! That's 4th all time behind the clean hitters...Aaron, Ruth, Mays.

I agree Cardinals are the best run organization in baseball....since 2000, they've been to the NLCS 8 times...that's insane! My Mets can't even make it to the damn playoffs!

Traveling around to several ball parks over the years and spring training games galore I would have to agree with you about Griffey Jr.

Had he not got hurt so much he would have broke all kinds of records.

I think he played 10 years in Cincy and did not do much at all as he was hurt all of the time.

10 year with good numbers would have put him pasted Aaron.

For me, Willie Mays is the best player ever, but Griffey is "one" of the best I was able to see in person play. Real quick thought Joe Morgan comes to mind also.

Sandy D · #13 10-23-2013

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McGwire had nothing but power. Bonds was a 3 time MVP before he even allegedly touched the stuff. I am sure he looked at chumps like McGwire and Sosa and Brady Anderson and every other pc of crap who couldn't play a lick. And said well this is unfair if the MLB isn't going to do crap about it I will get on an even playing field myself. He did and was uncontested the best baseball player over the 5-7 year span. 232 Walks in a season that is unreal. Hitting for average, etc. At AT&T park. 73 home runs. Guys talking Roids can't hit 30 there. Best offensive player I ever saw. Bud Selig should be banned from baseball forever for sticking his head in the sand and wanting Home Runs and excitement after the strike. Also the MLBPA and the Owners for letting it all happen.

I was able to stand next to Bonds and McGwire early in their careers and late in their careers and both mens bodies completely changed.

Head much larger, arms much larger etc. Both cheated and in my opinion both were good but both should be removed from all baseball records. Bonds and McGwires record season of HR both should be wiped off.

McGwire-- What film of him early. Pure power swing. Later did not even swing hard yet his the ball 575 all of the time. His 1998 HR that broke Maris record is pure example. Horrible swing, he missed the ball yet over the fence.

An0nym0u$ · #14 10-23-2013

Getting back to Sox vs Cards...

Although I agree w/ vogeltron that the Cards are the premier franchise (8 NLCS appearances since 2000!!!), I have to root for the Red Sox.

Whenever the Mets don't make it, I always root for the Yankees biggest rival to stick it to 'em.

Sandy D · #15 10-23-2013

Bet Albert Pujols is smacking himself in the head right now. Everyone thought without him they werfe done.
Really like the grid of cards Holiday.

Anyone but the purchased yanks is fine with me!!!!!

Sandy D · #16 10-23-2013

Red Sox destroyed Cards tonight in every aspect of the game.

Does not mean anything other then it is 1-0.

Good to see Ryan Dempster finally get to a WS. Poor guy has never had any luck.

Sandy D · #17 10-23-2013

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Disappointed that no Canadian player is on either roster...a bit disappointed hah

Ryan Dempster is from Canada.

vogeltron · #18 10-24-2013

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^^^Makes me appreciate guys like Frank Thomas and Ken Griffey Jr. more. Thomas is extremely underrated. Built like a tank, hit the ball a mile, and was adamant against the steroid users of his generation.

Griffey is the best all around player I've ever seen (I don't count Bonds). Griffey hit over 630 steroid free home runs! That's 4th all time behind the clean hitters...Aaron, Ruth, Mays.

I agree Cardinals are the best run organization in baseball....since 2000, they've been to the NLCS 8 times...that's insane! My Mets can't even make it to the damn playoffs!

How do you know these players are clean? Those hamstring injuries that plagued Griffey are very consistent with someone on the juice.

Sandy D · #19 10-24-2013

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How do you know these players are clean? Those hamstring injuries that plagued Griffey are very consistent with someone on the juice.

LOL

His head did not double in size like Bonds, Sosa and McGwires did.

rsot · #20 10-24-2013

Last night's game was filled with very weird errors by the Cards from the get go....missed plays, a dropped fly (?!?) - oh well, will be interesting to see how they rebound from that rout

An0nym0u$ · #21 10-24-2013

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How do you know these players are clean? Those hamstring injuries that plagued Griffey are very consistent with someone on the juice.

Quite the opposite. His body broke down naturally as he got older. No one in their right mind thinks Griffey ever did steroids. That's like saying Jeter or Mariano were on something. We can't just say everyone during the 90s and 00s were on it.

Steroids wasn't used just to get players to bulk up, it was used to keep players ON the field and out of the trainers room. When most players are supposed to be aging and breaking down, guys like Clemens and Bonds were playing like they were in their 20s.

An0nym0u$ · #22 10-24-2013

We'll find out in 2016 when Griffey is eligible for HOF.

The BBWAA has taken an adamant stance to not let any steroid user (or anyone associated to steroids) into the HOF.

My bet is Griffey will make it in on the first ballot.