pp limiting a few accounts

[welshdan]

Evening gents/ladies

I have been running xxx for over a year now, have many accounts. One got limited right in the beginning but I called and got it re instated. another got taken down around 7 months ago.

Things have been pretty good, I have always been careful with what I do with my accounts.

last week 2 got limited, along with another this week. one is old, fully verified, the other two are fairly new. have I been very unlucky or is pp now limiting accounts based on certain behaviour (that wouldn't have caused problems before?)

Just a bit P'd really that I have lost 3 accounts in such a short space. There are no details of why the account is limited, so no options to lift the limits.

I may call, there is nothing to lose.

Have I fallen behind the game? anyone else had similar issues?

thanks!

What were the dates of the limitations? Did you get an email to tell you they'd been limited? Did you create or buy the accounts?

[welshdan]

created myself. I think 2 were no emails, one I got an email. I have just seen the other thread whereby others seem to have had serious problems recently....

[GreenBean]

Originally Posted by welshdan

created myself. I think 2 were no emails, one I got an email. I have just seen the other thread whereby others seem to have had serious problems recently....

Then you hit the nail right on the head.


Massive changes stared 15 November and are still continuing.

Here's the problem: Be careful about calling in.

Could you do me a small favour. Read the threads in this part of the forum and more in the paypal limited forum.

Read all the info.

Then come back to this thread and give your thoughts on what you have read. You can maybe make choices then.

Personally, I would read more before taking more action.

I am sorry to bring bad news to you.

[peterspike]

Yes something is going on with UK accounts I have lost 3 myself over the last few weeks.

[WhatsUpWhatsUp]

Originally Posted by GreenBean

Then you hit the nail right on the head.


Massive changes stared 15 November and are still continuing.

Here's the problem: Be careful about calling in.

Could you do me a small favour. Read the threads in this part of the forum and more in the paypal limited forum.

Read all the info.

Then come back to this thread and give your thoughts on what you have read. You can maybe make choices then.

Personally, I would read more before taking more action.

I am sorry to bring bad news to you.

Hey, GreenBean.

I just read the PayPal limited forum and I still don't understand how he could have got limited. Am I missing something besides not phoning up? I understand you shouldn't but what else? I'm sure he doesn't even mention that he called in?

[GreenBean]

Quick break down:

paypal started handing out limitations to many accounts on 15th & 29th November & early December

Mixture of accounts were some with £1900 anti money laundering limits already removed BUT some had no activity at all. ( Sleeper accounts).

paypal had announced proposed changes to their T&S supposedly coming into play in the start of 2015. These limitations were regarded as premature.

Differences were these:
no emails to advice of limitations.

outright denial of ability to appeal stated on the emails. (Look for posts by Callidus).

For some cases where contact was made to appeal, paypal turned around and asked for more ID.

This has created a grey area for the more acceptable way to regain funds after the 180 days suspension.

As of today, the risk is too high to suggest across the board calling in. Funds may be held permanently if paypal wants to do so.
I am making the suggestion for the present only to be circumspect in approaching and/or demanding paypal to release funds.

Enough info is not to hand NOR in hand to offer a workaround.

We are in a state of change.

Hope that's helps although sad news.

[WhatsUpWhatsUp]

Originally Posted by GreenBean

Enough info is not to hand NOR in hand to offer a workaround.

We are in a state of change.

Hope that's helps although sad news.

So, what you are saying is... this could be permanent and unavoidable which could also ruin stealth in the UK? If so, I guess the game is ending soon.

[JamesNorth101]

This will not ruin stealth in the UK.

We will evolve.

Think of it as a stumbling block until we have more facts.

Its just part of the dance we have to play with eBay and PayPal. It always has been and always will be.

[GreenBean]

Originally Posted by WhatsUpWhatsUp

So, what you are saying is... this could be permanent and unavoidable which could also ruin stealth in the UK? If so, I guess the game is ending soon.

Not at all.

We have faced issues with Stealth.

We persevere.

But we always ADAPT.

We can not rush Victory.

With regards to calling paypal, look at it this way.

If your account makes you a lot of money a month, and you only have a few hundred stuck in paypal, it is worth the risk to call in.

If your ebay is a poor one, and you have a lot of money you can't afford to lose in paypal, then don't call in.

You need to figure out if the risk/reward is worth the gamble for your accounts.

[GreenBean]

Originally Posted by just_smile

With regards to calling paypal, look at it this way.

If your account makes you a lot of money a month, and you only have a few hundred stuck in paypal, it is worth the risk to call in.

If your ebay is a poor one, and you have a lot of money you can't afford to lose in paypal, then don't call in.

You need to figure out if the risk/reward is worth the gamble for your accounts.

With all due respect, your suggestion is flawed.

You are asking users to open themselves to further checks by paypal.

This will NOT work for accounts being checked.

Hold off on this as suggested, please.

[Ebayorbust]

In some cases where people have phoned up in relation to these limitations, they have been asked to send in passports and provide National Insurance numbers.

The end result is always the same. The account does not get restored.

I understand what you're saying GB.

My point is, as things stand, the account is dead.

Doing nothing means the account will stay dead.

By ringing, you may get it restored. Or, worst case.scenario, they ask for passports etc and the account stays dead. You may then obviously lose any funds in that account.

In my opinion its up to the holder of these accounts which path they choose to follow. Aslong as they know the risks.

[Callidus]

Originally Posted by just_smile

I understand what you're saying GB.

My point is, as things stand, the account is dead.

Doing nothing means the account will stay dead.

By ringing, you may get it restored. Or, worst case.scenario, they ask for passports etc and the account stays dead. You may then obviously lose any funds in that account.

In my opinion its up to the holder of these accounts which path they choose to follow. Aslong as they know the risks.

but WHY..? WHY would you want to sacrifice any funds in the account, whether it be £50 or £400? You have a bigger chance of getting these funds at 180 days, why throw that away over a phone call which in most cases will only make things worse. It makes no sense to me.

[welshdan]

I have nearly 1k tied up in these accounts and don't want to lose that. it might be best to wait out the 180 days.

I don't think I'm alone in thinking that there might be some big changes around the corner for a lot of us, and that this might be the start of the end of most xxx accounts as we know them.

There MUST be something that flags these accounts. pp are obviously doing something differently now. But what? There must be some sort of patterns/ similarities between the accounts that have gone down. my concern is that the hard work I have put into getting back into this over the last year or so, creating many accs, getting them into good standing, might soon be down the drain.

How will we know what the problem is? should the details of the accounts be shared on here, or shared in a post, in order to compare and look for patterns?

Could it be that pp now have started to check details randomly, in batch, if they don't match, that's it? no chance to upload docs etc, surely they have to pay people to check docs etc., done electronically could be cheaper.

Maybe pp is having a mass cull of xxx accounts, maybe the underworld of these accounts is getting too big and undermining the integrity of pp?

SO where do we go? carry on as normal, ramp up sales to shift stock before the inevitable? go to ground for a while?

I am a little worried about this

Originally Posted by Callidus

but WHY..? WHY would you want to sacrifice any funds in the account, whether it be £50 or £400? You have a bigger chance of getting these funds at 180 days, why throw that away over a phone call which in most cases will only make things worse. It makes no sense to me.

It depends on your viewpoint.

If you are a business trader, doing ebay full time as your only source of income, and your account gets this limit. You are in a very precarious situation. A person in a situation like this will need to decide what is worse. Potentially losing the monies by ringing in or accepting their fate and waiting 180 days.

A person with 5,10,20,100 accounts will not need to risk the call, simply move on to another account and wait 180 days.

So far we know it can go one of 3 ways.
1)Account restoration
2)Stays limited, wait 180 days.
3)They ask for more documents like passport, NI number.

[realdeals]

Originally Posted by just_smile

So far we know it can go one of 3 ways.
1)Account restoration
2)Stays limited, wait 180 days.
3)They ask for more documents like passport, NI number.

Is there any evidence to show that any account subject to the new bans has been reinstated? As I don't recall seeing any?

[JamesNorth101]

PayPal is not really the issue here, its the 3rd party company that they now use.

Accounts get limited often in waves as the 3rd part company syncs their systems with PayPal and then PayPal limit all the accounts they are told to limit.

PayPal are no longer in charge of removing the limits on accounts and checking detail. This is now all done by an external company.

More so now than ever the more accounts you have the better

[welshdan]

So all conventional xxx accs are due for the chop sooner or later! Great news!!

[welshdan]

and by that I mean sooner rather than later!?

[JamesNorth101]

For now it would be a good idea to stay under the £1650 limits to stop the trigger for ID kicking in.

Spreading sales though out accounts is key really at the moment.