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aspkin 11-09-2018 10:57 AM

Investments in this Economy?
 
If you had $10,000 (or any amount of money) and you wanted it to grow, where would you invest it? Something that was very passive; requiring very little or no time to manage.

Savings accounts don't give enough return, stock market is on a downward trend right now, bitcoin is not moving anywhere, real estate can be time consuming. Acquiring a business would be another job. Is it better just to hoard cash right now? I'd like to acquire assets and have those generate a return but it seems this is not the time.. or am I missing something?

What would you do right now?

newjerseymax 11-09-2018 11:05 AM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
A Tax Free HIGH-YIELD MUNI Investment can yield you approx

Example American Century
1yr 2.60% 3yr 3.90% 5yr 4.94% 10yr 5.86%

Equities are still best bet long term

rsot 11-09-2018 11:05 AM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
It is a weird time - while cash is king some ideas worth considering

If small businesses need loans or venture capital, you could consider that route - return on investment or (yikes) loans...

Small amount in an index fund is considerable but you need to let it sit for like 10-15-20 years

JamesNorth101 11-09-2018 11:18 AM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
I have put a chunk into peer to peer lending. Returns are coming in at about 6% which is solid enough for a passive income

Other option I looks at was a share in student accommodation build

phaz0rz 11-09-2018 11:21 AM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
If you can live without the $10k for 5 years, CD rates are decent now compared to when I started messing with them and it's about as secure as you can get. You can get 3%+ APY at a lot of banks or investment firms right now.

You could make $300/yr with a CD on a $10k investment without ever having to touch or worry about your investment. Not the best return, but safe and easy.

ebaystealth1974 11-09-2018 01:01 PM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
I can't ever imagine tying up my money like that. Not until I acquire more of it than I can invest into my business, anyway. (probably never lol)

ebaystealth1974 11-09-2018 01:25 PM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
Every last cent I have can be used to purchase more product. :(

ebaystealth1974 11-09-2018 01:32 PM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
Well... up until I get to a comfortable level is what I'm trying to say. Once I'm doing business at a pre-determined amount, THEN I'll start using the extra money for other things.

aspkin 11-09-2018 09:15 PM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
Hmm, hard money lending. Lending money out to investors who buy property. You're the 1st lean and returns are negotiable. I have a friend who does this and offered me 10% interest for a 5 year loan (interest only) with a ballon payment at the end. I'm going to give it a shot.

jimmy121 11-09-2018 09:22 PM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
People have said that sometimes the best investment is to do nothing for awhile. I'm stuck with some inventory at the moment, waiting to get back on to unload. If I invest in more, I could see the situation get really bad.

Play 11-10-2018 08:24 AM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
Quote:

stock market is on a downward trend right now
Depends what stocks you're looking at.

Some are doing well. Take the likes of Etsy (Ecommerce) which went up +33% in the space of the last few days.

Then you've got eBay (Ecommerce) which is spiralling downwards, but should hit a bottom soon, if not already, so the only way is up. "If" it were to return back to its high, you're looking at returns of around 30%.

I'm not saying invest in those, nor am I saying there wont be risks attached. But, you'll just need to find the stocks that are doing well despite the turmoil the rest are going through.

You can't beat 30%'ish returns. :)

phaz0rz 11-10-2018 08:28 AM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aspkin (Post 956391)
Hmm, hard money lending. Lending money out to investors who buy property. You're the 1st lean and returns are negotiable. I have a friend who does this and offered me 10% interest for a 5 year loan (interest only) with a ballon payment at the end. I'm going to give it a shot.

Can you have your friend contact me?

Or post a link or something?

I'm probably gonna roll over my Ether portfolio soon lol

Play 11-10-2018 08:29 AM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 956494)
I'm probably gonna roll over my Ether portfolio soon lol

Imagine it sky rockets the moment you sell. :p

phaz0rz 11-10-2018 08:33 AM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Play (Post 956495)
Imagine it sky rockets the moment you sell. :p

I'm sure it will. Story of my life. They're just waiting for me to sell off, then it's up to $20k like BTC did. :eek:

Aspkin's deal sounds pretty good in the meantime though. At least I would know where the investment is heading.

How does it work Aspkin? You would get a total of $1000 back on your $10k investment, with the $1000 being divided up into interest payments over 60 months? $17 a month return?

ebaystealth1974 11-10-2018 10:26 AM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
10% on your money per year is amazing if you're just investing extra money and need something to do with it. But if you're trying to MAKE money, it's probably one of the worst things to do.

But I don't think I need to explain that to anyone here.(Hopefully)

JamesNorth101 11-10-2018 12:20 PM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 956499)
How does it work Aspkin? You would get a total of $1000 back on your $10k investment, with the $1000 being divided up into interest payments over 60 months? $17 a month return?

It must be per year? Otherwise that is a very poor ROI

aspkin 11-10-2018 08:58 PM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 956499)
I'm sure it will. Story of my life. They're just waiting for me to sell off, then it's up to $20k like BTC did. :eek:

Aspkin's deal sounds pretty good in the meantime though. At least I would know where the investment is heading.

How does it work Aspkin? You would get a total of $1000 back on your $10k investment, with the $1000 being divided up into interest payments over 60 months? $17 a month return?

Nono.. it's more like $200ish a month interest only payment.

Here is a interest only mortgage calculator: https://www.bankrate.com/calculators...alculator.aspx

https://i.imgur.com/NB3oi9P.png

At the end of the term it's a ballon payment of the loan.

What you're looking for are real estate investors who are looking for hard money (most are looking for this); you find them in real estate meetup groups.

mine 11-11-2018 03:33 AM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
I would be looking into gold explorers on the stock exchange.

jimmy121 11-11-2018 06:15 AM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
That's what they all say when the price goes low, only to have the price go even lower.

rsot 11-11-2018 06:55 AM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by empirestate (Post 956684)
I'll be looking into solid projects in the crypto space.

You should be buying in this quiet period.

Too many of these "solid projects" are still pipe dreams :(

The gold exploration companies listed on stock exchanges can work though

Klemantina 11-11-2018 07:27 AM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
Take a look at healthcare ETFs like XLV SPDR. Solid 9%+ returns on average in the last 20 years. Even during the crisis it dropped only around 30%.
Also if there is karma your potentially giving the money to the companies that arguably have the best talent and try to cure the most difficult diseases.
If your smart enough to understand the algorithms behind new technologies you can hunt startups.
At the moment i'm considering opening a micro loans company but the returns on average as far as I know are around 30% but the work and risk is too big.
Also I assume hiring talented med students that will look into companies with drugs that in the process to be approved from Stage 1 to 3 by the FDA will also lead to significant returns, I wanna try to take 2-3 students, 1000 tests in stages 1-3, narrow the list to 10 studies with biggest potential and put 1000$ in all of them and if I was right once then I can potentially get all my money back but this one is just a theory.

rsot 08-01-2019 05:55 AM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankringer (Post 1023175)
May be I can think for an alternative way for my business.

Welcome to the forum - all the best as you master stealth :thumb:

There is no "maybe" here - always have backups and side hustles

agent006140 08-03-2019 08:53 AM

how about the mattress?

Gold VS Cryto Currency,which one do you prefer?

also live slightly below your means,I dont mean being frugal,or cheap.

Quote:

Originally Posted by forest1 (Post 1028921)
I don't see silver as a speculative investment just like gold (even though it can be seen as that) but more like a hedge against inflation like you said, and feeling like I have real money which has value in my hands instead of printed worthless paper. Thanks for your imput, I agree.

back in the old days,silver is like gold,people quote in silver .
But silver is often byproduct when you mine other minerals,while gold is scarcer.
It is true,gold does not pay you interest but when Sadam invaded Kuwait,and the Kuwait folks fled into neighboring countries,their currency and credit cards are not accepted,but they can turn their gold into local currency and rent a hotel room,eat and travel.
Gold holds its value when local currency depreciates,like in Venezuela,Argentina.
And some like to fondle gold,

ATTACK,ATTACK,ATTACK.
Dont we wish we could have bought more gold last year ??
Or go to the store and stock up on more water,canned goods,dried goods,generator and first aid.

gold and T bills

THERE IS a bank in FLORIDA WHERE YOU CAN HOLD ACCOUNTS IN FOREIGN CURRENCIES.

sure,Softbank thinks everything internet has the potential to become big,WEWORK,UBER,.LYFT,ETC

Lockheed Martin LMT

Some sellers attend storage auctions,those small retail shops/even small manufacturers abandoned their storage ,their inventory is OLD NEW STOCK

we could be going into a period where no investment is sound,be a landlord,what good if tenant cant pay rent,open a restaurant,no one comes?
not even sure gold is a good investment,?
dry pasta would soon be better than toilet paper,you can use a wooden stick like the Roman soldiers,but you cant eat a wooden stick!

where were you when oil went negative,seller will pay you $7 to take it off his hands,but you must have storage .

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mayhard (Post 1086940)
P2P loan market would be an option :)

yaeh,garnish their paycheck,if they have any.

learn how to raise chickens and goats in your backyard,cucumbers are easy to grow,okra too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozzie_Stealth (Post 1088629)
Oil. Give it 1-2 years and it will go back up

do we have your personal guarantee?
go back up from what ?
it was negative 37.50 last week(briefly)

if you dont want to do anything,then leave the money in a bank savings account.or the mattress,with disinflation,your $100 has the same buying power of $105

How do we ever get to this stage?
low rate,no rate,negative rate,at one time banks pay you to borrow,banks charge a fee for holding on to our money?
Elderly living on fixed income have to look for change under the sofa seat/cushion for quarters/dimes so they can buy a loaf of day old bread!

How about the stock market,it can give you a small fortune if you start out with a bigger fortune !

yes,it is price per barrel ,just for a fleeting moment.
But you must take physical delivery,all tankers are FULL,if they are not,they are not available for hire

There are folks who need a short term loan fast and willing to pay high interest rate,some are legit businesses,you have to know where to find the middle man.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tinsoldier (Post 1088798)
No I don't. I go the London Stock Exchange. :doh:

Nobody here is talking about buying barrels of crude you airhead, what is wrong with you?

how do you know?
plenty of people buy physical goods ,it shows how shallow and ignorant you are.
or just to win an argument,pathetic !

Quote:

Originally Posted by tinsoldier (Post 1088804)
There's no argument to win, nobody here is buying a few barrels of crude to put in their shed, you're just plain wrong as usual :pound:

how do you know,did you go around and ask everyone.
I just happen to know one who did,not at -40,.but good enough to make a tidy sum,which you will never see in your life time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucy (Post 1091240)
With all world economies crashing or going to crash big time would betting on the oil price be a quick way to make money and how is it done? and what is the easiest method? Has

You can buy gas,as oil price collapsed,there will be less drilling for oil,they often find gas as well in the process.
So gas price is going up.
Whether it is oil or gas,look for company with low debt

gold has been going up since the virus,but lately it is fluctuating up a few dollars,down a few dollars,could be sign it has peaked.
but in the long run with central banks printing money,gold could be an alternative to currency,what do you think of Swiss Franc?
A friend of mine in Switzerland is having a ball travelling,eating outside Switzerland,in Paris,Malta,Australia with swiss franc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusek (Post 1091979)
What about gold ?

dont know about your country,but in US,gold dealers are having a hard time stocking gold buillion,gold coins,gold bars.
You can find major precious metal dealers selling on Ebay and Walmart,some in six figures and bank wire transfer only,no paypal.
But if you buy them on their own website,you get a discount for paying cash(check or wiretransfer)

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdaz (Post 1091309)
find companies that bill gates is investing in, this scumbags foundation claims to be a charity but funny enough was investing in companies which will have a cure for the virus. And dont forget about ⊗⊗⊗⊗ meat companies which he pumped to market and then sold.

The last thing I read is that he is buying Mexico Fund-which is a closed end fund.
But the virus has hit MEXCIAN economy Bad

rsot 08-04-2019 07:41 AM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1023687)
how about the mattress?

Mattress?.

dealagreeproceed 08-06-2019 01:24 AM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
im obsessed with trying to buy more tings to sell :doh:

nickopedia 08-16-2019 07:16 PM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1023687)
how about the mattress?

The mattress option has it's pros & cons.

PROS:
1: Liquidity. Funds are always available at a moments notice, and can't be frozen by the bank or levied upon for some reason.
2: Convenience & Access to funds. Money is always nearby, even larger amounts.
3: Confidentiality. Nobody except you know exactly how much you have unlike the bank. There is no reporting to the IRS, or silly SAR's that a bank might file on you for doing something "suspicious".

CONS:
1: Your house can burn down, flood and you risk losing everything.
2: You can be robbed, and one of the places some burglars check is under your mattress. This is why having some sort of personal protection is always a good idea (subject to your local laws of course)
3: Your wife/significant other or family members might find out about it and create a problem for you.

But, seriously, don't keep large amounts of cash in your home. If you insist, be sure to invest in a REAL safe, not one of those cheap ones from Walmart or Costco, but a real safe company. Best to call a reputable locksmith. They would know.

There is no one size fits all to investing. Everyone's situation is a little different. For some people, putting it in a savings account is a good option. For others, a mutual fund, IRA/Roth, or index fund would suffice. For others, treasury bills might be better. For folks with higher net worth, having a trusted money manager to help with decisions is always a good idea, too.

forest1 08-17-2019 04:31 AM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
What about silver? I have heard a lot of times that it is undervalued right now. Any thoughts?

rsot 08-17-2019 06:44 AM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by forest1 (Post 1027246)
What about silver? I have heard a lot of times that it is undervalued right now. Any thoughts?

Welcome to the forum - all the best as you master stealth :thumb:

Silver has been pretty stagnant for a long time - I don't see it booming anytime soon, but that is just my own opinion

nickopedia 08-17-2019 08:15 AM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
First of all, Precious Metals are NOT an investment- they are just a hedge (bet) against fiat, or currency. They are a vehicle that will protect your value from inflation, but they are unlikely to perform better than many other investments (like real estate or stocks) over the longer term.

I used to be a big believer in "investing" in Precious Metals and caught up in all the hyperbole of people like Richard Kiyosaki, Peter Schiff, Mike Maloney, and several others. Some of these guys are fear mongers saying that the economy will crash and gold will be $5,000 "very soon" and you need to get on the bandwagon now, etc. Most of that is a bunch of crap.

I own some PM's myself, but I don't expect to make a whole lot of money with it.

nickopedia 08-17-2019 08:21 AM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
My advise to the younger generation: Don't overly complicate things.

It's not a magic formula, just do:

1. Pay off ALL debt first, especially revolving consumer debt like credit cards (which are high interest)
2. If you are working, start out by max out your 401k with pre tax dollars.
3. If you have additional cash, put into an IRA/Roth in an Index Fund.
4. Also consider some Real Estate. Have a goal for some income generating property, if possible.

That's pretty much it. Not that complicated.

oompaloompa 08-18-2019 11:12 AM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
silver will go up I think, it is used for medical instruments and may one day be in high demand when our antibiotics lose effectiveness.....

thing is gold is worth having, but it creates no interest as such, other than if the price goes up.

I got reasonable results with peer lending sites for UK. I read though as more saturation in the market, more companies, they lend to lower quality places.

I agree with not living beyond your means, it is one reason how we actually do not need to work anymore at a fairly young age. I will work, but I can do it at my own pace. I can tell you, people I know are quietly seething about it and having to work til 70, I have one friend that no longer talks to me due to it!

Play 08-21-2019 07:40 PM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1026570)
Gold VS Cryto Currency,which one do you prefer?

If you had $10k to invest, and only those two options to invest in, i'd split it 50/50 and invest in both.

They both have their pros and cons.

Beautiful 08-22-2019 02:08 PM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1026570)
Gold VS Cryto Currency,which one do you prefer?

All in Dogecoin :behindsofa:

forest1 08-23-2019 07:37 AM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
I don't see silver as a speculative investment just like gold (even though it can be seen as that) but more like a hedge against inflation like you said, and feeling like I have real money which has value in my hands instead of printed worthless paper. Thanks for your imput, I agree.

forest1 08-23-2019 07:38 AM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
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yankee 08-23-2019 10:38 AM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1027408)
also live slightly below your means,I dont mean being frugal,or cheap.

I dont think there is anything wrong with being frugal. :)

Ankhel 01-05-2020 01:06 PM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
Depends on how much time if you are talking about 5 years
,if i were you i'd just invest it in bitcoin!

rsot 01-06-2020 05:54 AM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ankhel (Post 1059479)
Depends on how much time if you are talking about 5 years
,if i were you i'd just invest it in bitcoin!

Too volatile

yankee 01-06-2020 10:12 AM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
Lower income and vacation rentals and cash flowing businesses focused on consumables OR simple marketing with flexibility on products.

Right now my prettier half and myself are focused in very tiny nitches of high ROI cashflow businesses with big tax advantages.

Not keeping all income in USD can be a big advantage for people with some cash.

RipeBanana 01-06-2020 11:36 AM

Re: Investments in this Economy?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ebaystealth1974 (Post 956531)
10% on your money per year is amazing if you're just investing extra money and need something to do with it. But if you're trying to MAKE money, it's probably one of the worst things to do.

But I don't think I need to explain that to anyone here.(Hopefully)


I agree with you, if you are looking to make money its not the best thing to do. If you have your hands full and would just like a bit of money instead of having it sit in the account, maybe but still, its still a lot for only 10%.

I could easily turn that 10k to at least 40K profits by the end of the year, just by trading goods.

I would want at least 50% return if am to hand you over 10K.

I am also a Web Developer, I was thinking of investing or opening a software house once I get enough Capital. The amount of money in software engineering is ridiculous.

I would advise you guys to look for coding start ups, people with good ideas, look for something you think has the potential to become big.


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