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How to avoid paypal and ebay to ever ask for verification, phone calls, etc.
 

I have read how so many of you guys start off small and slow (which is subjective), and then you guys freak out after getting a notice that they need to verify you. My question is what are the success stories of people who never get limitations on their accounts, or needing to provide documents? Or is this absolutely unavoidable on ebay?

I just got one today. a FR91000 email and I had to call in. I freaked a bit...but it wasn't that bad...
I just joked with the girl and didn't have to send anything in. I had a bad buyer experience but I've pretty much kept close tabs on it and followed up with Ebay to keep them in the loop so they had no suspicions on it so I'm okay.

Granted, with what I sell, the fraud rate is high and Ebay would get suspicious so I've GOT to be on my toes about things. I gave them stuff they didn't even need ahead of time to CMA.

Everyone gets selling limitations on their accounts initially. There is no way to avoid this. It is an eBay policy for new accounts.

Ebay needs to gain your trust first before you can sell freely. Gradually, as you become more trustworthy, they start to bump your limits up.

I understand this part. I am more wondering if there is anyone who has gotten away with never having to call or provide documents and all that in their stealth accounts. For example, start off slowly, sell a bit at a time, get positive feedback, etc. etc. Basically age it properly and then get back on. Know what I mean?

I don't often get limited when an account is first set up. I let them marinate for awhile. But, if it looks like your account will do more than $20k in sales for the year, PayPal will require your SSN or EIN. There is no way around this.

And, YES, I HAVE had to call in on a couple of new accounts. I tried to figure out what did it, but there was really nothing different about them that I could tell. So, I don't know if it is random, or maybe some piece of information that flagged the account. The GOOD NEWS is that most of the time, these verifications are easy to pass, at least if they are not asking for documents.

There are several threads on how to get through this nonsense. Just search the forum.

So if it looks like I will be approaching 18500, I guess I won't need verification. SSN is out of the question. I already have a legit account with a MC999 on there. I just need a backup, just in case. I can wait for it marinate. Perhaps when I do get to 20000, I could just create an EIN. After all, 20000 in sales would allow you to pay for that 1 or 200 dollar fee. Was that the ball park price in the US?

This is not true. I have heard of people getting request for SSN or EIN once they sold $3000 or so in one month in the early stages of their stealth accounts. Paypal does this based on projections.

So, don't think you can sell up to $18,500 and think that will be your ceiling. You need to also think about sudden spike in sales that can trigger Paypal's attention.

They use an algorithm to determine the likelihood of the account going over $20k. The fact is, they cannot wait until the last minute to request that information. So, expect it at a much smaller sales volume.

3000 dollars? Wow. Looks like Ebay wants to just suppress us, which is obvious. Do you guys make comfortable living with all these restrictions? Divide all your earnings amongst 30 accounts, can you guys make it at 5 figures per month? How about 6 figures per year? Sounds quite tough.

Wrong...It's called the IRS.

This question has been asked too many times and the same answer is still...None of anyone's business.

If you set your sales goals at a certain amount, then do the math on how many accounts you need to open.

Lol, fair enough

The ball park figure for the USA is .......

there is NONE.

If paypal looks at your projected sales, it can ask for EIN/SSN at $3000.
Off hand I think the current level is $4500.

Sellers need to be aware of this from the start of using their account and be prepared to meet IRS demands.

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You just spread the sales even more among other accounts

It's not. The way eb/pp are currently structured it's quite easy. I fear they will change the system and make it tough because as it is now, it's childs play.

That sounds awesome! I hope they don't change either. I think 20k per year is about right because I was getting unemployment, 99 weeker, no taxes charged to me for that amount. 1800 bucks per month pure money, so that's about 18500 per year. So, 18500 per account per year sounds about right.

Ok, so go slow. Lurking and buying small stuff the first month. Perhaps 500-1000 in the second month. 700-1200 the third month etc. Make 5-10 accts to do this. All this while I try to sell as much as possible in my legit acct. That acct, ebay knows me left and right.

Roughly 1600 dollars per month per account spread through several accounts effective?
 

I started a thread somewhere where someone said that if you sell at a rate over 20,000 per year, Ebay is going to need verification. Assuming this is true, that would mean that you need to sell around 1666 dollars per month and avoid needing to be verified. 20,000/12 months = 1666.66 cents.

So, if we just reach the 1600 mark around the 30th or 31st day of each month, is this near the maximum we can sell to avoid phone verification?

I understand that if you sell like 1000 dollars the first day, then of course there is a possibility that you would need to be phone verified. But if you control your tempo to up to 1600 bucks by the 30th or 31st day, then I guess theoretically we can avoid those dreaded verifications.

Would really recommend that you think of spreading it so that you have 9250 and 9250 in 2 accounts or, even better, 6133 spread over 3 accounts (examples)

Theoretically yes, it should work if you keep a slow rate during the month.

Nice to also divide the amount between 2 accounts to avoid any rate risk.

A lot also depends on what you sell too.

Of course we could have 9250 spread over 5 accts or more and file your taxes accordingly. Or would there be issues on eBay through this?

Well...you would be stealth so eB would not know it's just you, right?

Very incorrect to assume in this game.

Not a given by any stretch of the imagination this is doable.

You are opening yourself to problems.

Avoid this.

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to keep matters easier, I merged your threads.

Another point is paypal asks for info as regards the IRS needs.

At any time, either ebay or paypal can ask for ID as well.

You must be aware of this too.

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The IRS should not be a problem because I want to file accordingly. I just don't want Paypal asking for stuff because that would link my accounts. Unless if I could just create an EID. I even read somewhere, something to do with a TIN (Tax identification number), you say you want to pay taxes, they are quite accommodating in giving you this number. I even read in the government's website that you are limited to one TIN per day, and that's 365 TINs per year! I don't think anyone has that many ebay accounts! I could just give Ebay and paypal that. I just don't want them to link accounts.

I think Sandy D might :) but she doesnt need to use EINs and such - smart on the processes

Avoid what?

^^

To the poster above, I was trying to figure out what to avoid too. LOL...There are so many things to avoid already, we get lost in the middle of it.

One MAJOR thing to avoid is thinking that there will never be a request for ID.

paypal asks for not just ID for tax purposes but also if the account is flagged.

ebay asks if the account is flagged.

ebay does not do the tax side.

Spreading sales over different accounts is a great idea.

That takes preparation and care.

There is no ball park figure for what will trip a request for any type of info at any time.

It is not a given that an account will never be asked to supply info, no matter how many accounts sales are spread over.

Thinking that must be avoided.

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can anyone confirm that keeping sales under 1500 a month will let you go the stretch, or will you still be asked at a low number, lets say once you hit 4500 in sales, no matter if its in one month or 4.

1500 per month is cutting it too close. I got asked for it at 18k in the last week of December last year. 1500 per mo puts you right around the danger zone.

Was it the first time they asked, or was the account suspended until you entered it?

It`s very tough to say what works 100% - a lot also depends on what you sell Rusty

Anyone who does that is a complete idiot.

There is no way of being able to predict what paypal will do.

All you can do is operate as closely as you can but be under the radar.

Two confirmed reports of users being asked for ID for tax purposes for sales totalling $5000 ( approx).

Again, no one can OR should confirm your figures. Too irresponsible if they do.

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I've been pretty lax in how I treat my accounts. One, I currently have running and selling the most from, I've given it so much abuse, one might think I was trying to get suspended. I don't want to give the specifics if you know what I mean but I truly abuse this account. The one thing I do do is give stellar service to eBay customers and pay my eBay bill on time. Maybe I will get suspended one day but who cares, I've got another one waiting in the wings and really, what eBay wants is very happy eBay buyers. If you're getting 5's across the board, that's what they want.