re: address

[livingdaylight]

Have a couple questions about address issue.

I'm not clear why the address has to be different to the one associated with suspended account?

My thoughts are:
People move and relocate all the time. Therefore, if its a different name and different IP, at said address, why or how could ebay/pp justify terminating an account merely based on the coincidence of an address matching with someone else who previously lived there and was suspended? That would be penalizing people merely for moving to a certain address, for misdemeanors of other people who lived there previoiusly; surely, that would not be justifiable or reasonable?

Secondly, our IP identify where we live to the street name locality by several meters accuracy. If however, the address we provide is kilometers apart; will that discrepancy not be far more likely to flag up? That would to my own logic be far more reasonable to draw suspicion than the above scenario of the coincidence of someone creating an account where previously someone else had been suspended.

In the guide an example is given of someone being registered in USA but their IP showing them to be in China. That's an obvious incongruence as far as ebay/pp are concerned. Understandably, so. Although, as an aside, don't people have the right to be registered in one place and be operating from another. Do people not travel and do business? In any case i can see why they might become suspicious in that case and be justified to want to call and verify that it is indeed 'them' but just operating from another country (at the moment).

I'm suggesting, or asking, why the same principle doesn't apply if the address is kilometers away from what the IP is indicating? How do they reconcile the discrepancy of an address not matching the IP?

I do have a friend who's address I may, possibly be able to use. However, I do feel reticent asking and would do so only as a last have-to measure. I'd much rather use my own address, which would also make the IP matching straightforward - or congruent.

What are the other possible alternatives, specific to the UK? I've heard about buying PO boxes. If someone could share their positive experience of that? Sounds like yet another expense which ideally I'd do without.

Also anyone use LLC ?

Your answers much appreciated, indeed


-livingdaylight

[oompaloompa]

do not use you friends address, no need.

you could go for a P.O. box and business account, then it is all yours.

no need for company creation, only useful if you happen to already have one for business reasons.

just make sure your details are different from your banned ones. Ip is easier to do, most
ip is dynamic, but get a new ISP if unsure.

possibly sometimes, you can use the same surname, if all other details different, or you can use a variation of your name. If unsure post your plan here and we will pick at it...it can depend on if you have submitted id before too.

look at it objectively, any links to prior accs, eg. unique goods, cookies, flash, bank card, name, address, pic exif etc etc...

ip can vary, it can pinpoint your road and practically hover above you on the map, or shows your town, or a completely different town, or jump about...

[livingdaylight]

I've always known for IP to "hover above" as you put it, but, not necessarily so? I would have thought the radius of accuracy would be less than 100 miles as stated in the stealth guide. Rather within a mile or so.
In any case I hear that they are therefore obliged to give some allowance for mismatch of address and IP. The question for me remains how much?

As for PO Box, may I ask which you use or are aware of?

Royal Mail charge £244 /year
There are a few others.
MBE.co.uk £216 /year
British Monomarks at £90 / year
My-Uk-Mail £60 /year
They actually look interesting for other reasons too.

Also, the cheapest I've found so far. Nevertheless, its not an insignificant cost, when just starting out. More than what it used to, when I paid nothing!

Any other names and alternatives?

Still not sure why I can't be a different person at the same address. As I said, in my original question: people move out new people move in. They must account for that and can't incriminate people merely on association with an address with someone else?

As for PO Boxes does one in that case need to setup a new PO Box for each different stealth account? That really would add up.

[stevebills]

just looked at My UK Mail - Your Own UK Mailing Address, Better than a PO Box! Receive all types of mail at your own UK street address. mail forwarding service, uk mail forwarding service, Your mail is forwarded on to you, international mail forwarding, internation but monthly subs are £22.00 when u click
join now ,.... or £70 a year anyone else use them for documents scanning?

[JamesNorth101]

eBay can link the accounts from the same address, and eBay could decide that its too much of a risk for them even though you seem to be a new person. That is why no information should match. They can close accounts because they feel like it, best way to avoid this is to give them no reason to feel like closing your account.

Creating a stealth does cost money, but it should be easily made back selling on eBay.

The police can track an IP address back to your exact location, eBay cannot. They get an approximate location, which can be off by a long way (mine at the moment is off by 6 miles, earlier today a different IP was off by 4 miles)

You can get mail rental boxes in the UK for less than £10 a month or so. Just do some research into it and you will find them.

[zg00020]

JamesNorth101 spot on!

[livingdaylight]

Originally Posted by JamesNorth101

Creating a stealth does cost money, but it should be easily made back selling on eBay.

You can get mail rental boxes in the UK for less than £10 a month or so. Just do some research into it and you will find them.

Thank you for further clarifying.
Yes, it does cost money, I'm finding out.

So, for each stealth account people are spending money on a dedicated po box?
Would one not run out of addresses?

[oompaloompa]

why dont you try with whatsmyip and see the map, it depends on the ISP and type of
connection, your home wifi can be very close, dongle can be 200 miles away, heck I had one years ago that showed up in the middle of the channel....

nobody is going to tell you which boxes they use, depending on their rules, there are ways of making 3 addresses out of 1 pobox, one with real name and address, one with business name and address, one with variation of business name or real name , pobox number and address

using a different person at same address is risky, but maybe if you start as a buying acc and fatten it up, you can then convert it to selling. I know of success with this, but I would say you would need to wait over a year from banishment, maybe best to use it as last resort down the line, when some time has passed.....

[rsot]

Does LLC exist in UK or is it under different name? Just wondering

[sax4]

Paypal are a financial organisation so naturally they have risk assessments.

Registering a new account at a banned address with another name will raise eyebrows, especially if its soon after an account got banned.

With IP addresses, Ebay and PP know that people use internet dongles or mobile internet to access their sites so are tolerant. They also appreciate people travel, but they also know peoples accounts get hijacked from overseas, especially from "red flag" countries like I'm in for example.

They think that if in doubt "prove it", limitation and document request.

[livingdaylight]

Originally Posted by rsot

Does LLC exist in UK or is it under different name? Just wondering

LLC exists in UK. Cheap to set up. (£15)

There is also Limited Liability Partnership.

I'm not knowledgeable in either to know the differences.

In the context Stealth account how would LLC come into play?
We can give our LLC any name? attach it to a PO Box?

If someone could flesh out the strategy and reasoning behind it, please?

[oompaloompa]

in USA they have ssn requirements and can use business id instead. not relevant for UK issues.

No need to set up a business, in fact counterproductive in some ways, as the directors are in public domain and can be looked up.

have you submitted id before?

[livingdaylight]

Submitted ID to PayPal?

I believe I would have done at some point during verification. So many years ago, I can't say for sure what I did provide.

[oompaloompa]

stealth can mean staying yourself but still not getting linked, so it matters what you provided in the past, if you gave them drivers licence before then you can submit your passport and utility bill/bank statement for a different address eg business one, on a future account.

[oompaloompa]

ebay bots may find discrepancies in spacing, but they do not detect non-existant addresses on a real street - fact. A manual review may detect this
though, but if you have received tracked goods to this address it is seen as a real one, now this is tricky and not everyone knows how to or can manage it.

addresses can be fluid, havent you noticed not all addresses are on dropdown when mailing goods on your courier or other site? particularly business name or house name addresses change all the time and are not databased or up to date.

You just need to know how to do it, and it should not look too silly eg. flat 1, in office 2, in cupboard 3, in basement behind spidersweb, real rd, UK.

[stevebills]

Originally Posted by oompaloompa

do not use you friends address, no need.

you could go for a pobox and business account, then it is all yours.

no need for company creation, only useful if you happen to already have one for business reasons.

just make sure your details are different from your banned ones. Ip is easier to do, most
ip is dynamic, but get a new ISP if unsure.

possibly sometimes, you can use the same surname, if all other details different, or you can use a variation of your name. If unsure post your plan here and we will pick at it...it can depend on if you have submitted id before too.

look at it objectively, any links to prior accs, eg. unique goods, cookies, flash, bank card, name, address, pic exif etc etc...

ip can vary, it can pinpoint your road and practically hover above you on the map, or shows your town, or a completely different town, or jump about...

I want to start 2 new stealth accounts so cant use my own address so what do i use?
will I need access to it ?
can I use a mates address with my own bank account and a stealth name?
or is that not necessary?
I will need a new mobile number so is it best to get a giffgaff sim and a cheap phone?

[JamesNorth101]

Have a look at rentable mail boxes.

Really best to avoid using friends or relatives info. It can just lead to issues later on sometimes.

A new sim card will do the job nicely. I use Vodafone myself.

[stevebills]

so ebay and paypal except mailboxes?

[oompaloompa]

Originally Posted by stevebills

so ebay and paypal except mailboxes?

they do for business accs. better to put office or suite than P.O.Box

[livingdaylight]

Was going to go ahead with My Uk Mail but found out that they only provide address for Basingstoke.
I need an address in London.
Anyone know/recommend the cheapest po box service?
I've found £12/month but that feels pricey to me.

[JamesNorth101]

£12 a month is a decent price.

Why does it need to be a London address?

[livingdaylight]

Originally Posted by JamesNorth101

£12 a month is a decent price.

Why does it need to be a London address?

Because, I'm in London, and want the address to be in range of the IP.

British Monomarks = £90/year
Will call them tomorrow.

If anyone knows any other alternative, please, let me know