re: address

JamesNorth101 · #23 01-09-2014

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Originally Posted by livingdaylight

Because, I'm in London, and want the address to be in range of the IP.

No real need for this.

So long as its a UK IP you will be fine with an address anywhere in the the UK.

My IP rarely shows as local to me

livingdaylight · #24 01-09-2014

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Originally Posted by JamesNorth101

No real need for this.

So long as its a UK IP you will be fine with an address anywhere in the the UK.

My IP rarely shows as local to me

I'd be curious to know where you live.
I'm in London and my IP is always hovering right over my address. If it points to a couple miles down the road fine; but, Basingstoke, half-way down the M3? hrmm... then we're in the suspicion-raising scenario of someone registered in NY showing up in China, principle.

At least that's what I'd fear. But, then what do I know. I am noob to this. Perhaps, too eager to get it right.

But, if there are two postal addresses one near me and another far away I'd choose the one nearer. It's just that in this case nearer means £30 more, unless I find something cheaper than £90/year.

NoneOther · #25 01-10-2014

Your 'virtual' address can be anywhere in the UK, IP location makes no difference as long as it is also in the UK.

It can be hundreds of miles away and will not cause any issues.

JamesNorth101 · #26 01-10-2014

Agree with NoneOther - Just needs to be UK IP, not a local IP.

livingdaylight · #27 01-10-2014

Thank you, NoneOther & JamesNorth101
That surprises me, but I trust you are talking from experience so, thank you for confirming this assertion.

tmastermind · #28 01-10-2014

But going back to the earlier question you raised livingdaylight, i do know of a postal rental for £15 a year (has its limited but its workable with a stealth account) which gives a London (inner) address.

So they can be found if you do a good search!

livingdaylight · #29 01-10-2014

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Originally Posted by tmastermind

But going back to the earlier question you raised livingdaylight, i do know of a postal rental for £15 a year (has its limited but its workable with a stealth account) which gives a London (inner) address.

So they can be found if you do a good search!

Stop teasing me then.

£15 would be so much better than what everyone else is charging

I did a good google search and found the sites I mentioned are the only one's I've found.

NoneOther · #30 01-10-2014

Good useable virtual addresses are very hard to come by.

It requires lots of research and leg work (literally) to find them hence the reason people are so guarded about the ones they use.

It's not the sort of information that is shared freely, a good address is worth it's weight in gold for building a long term stealth account.

Keep searching and you will come up with the right thing. Once you know exactly what to look for finding others is much easier.

livingdaylight · #31 01-10-2014

I'm confused

Why is there a scarcity? Companies advertising mail addresses would welcome more business.
So, we're not talking of companies advertising mail boxes then? I'm told to search and I'll find it, but, seems I'm looking in the wrong place, if these people are not visible after a google search.

NoneOther · #32 01-10-2014

Not really a scarcity, just that good usable ones were harder to come by but there are lots of them around if you know what to look for.

Companies that advertise their services widely may have been used on e/b before and the address been banned.

Google does not have all the answers, it only shows you what it's being paid to advertise. There are many places that offer this type of service but do not advertise it on Google.

Try walking around your local area, you'll be amazed at what you can find.

NoneOther · #33 01-10-2014

There is information that is readily shared and that which will remain guarded because probably the single most important key to success with stealth is having good clean addresses to link to your accounts.

If you are going to make a real success of stealth you really need to learn to think through problems yourself by using some lateral thinking.

Look and search for information from a different perspective not just the obvious.

livingdaylight · #34 01-10-2014

It makes a mockery of the guide and the entire raison d'etre as far as I'm concerned, this cloak and daggers game.

One come to a forum like this or pay for a guide in order to simply be told the 'obvious' On the contrary its to find out what we don't know. If then we have to work it out for ourselves, well... makes no sense to me.

As for thinking the problem through. If I may ask this question, as I don't know anymore what is in the realm of the public and what is secretly and jealously guarded anymore:

How safe are po boxes and virtual addresses, which the guide recommends, still, to use?

I have to assume that PP have come on all these forums and studied every stealth guide in print out there and therefore know how these things work. This is how the game of cat and mouse continually evolves, no?

I imagine that they may have a list of all the po box and virtual addresses out there. So, next time someone declares one of these addresses that would immediately raise a flag of suspicion. If I was running PP that's certainly what I'd do if I was serious about stamping out stealth accounts and maintaining control of the integrity of my company.

As of today the guide does "officially" (still) recommend using po boxes, but, can't help wondering now, whether that's what people are doing in the real world, given that there are alternatives which are clearly being jealously guarded. I can see that this is a king-pin issue.

NoneOther · #35 01-10-2014

The stealth guide is just that a guide.

Most things you don't know can be found in the posts on this forum.

Not all information will be shared just because you ask for it. As you say many people read these pages and not all of them are stealthers.

There are reasons why some things are closely guarded by individuals, they have worked hard to find the right options and as you rightly point out sharing those in the public domain quickly makes them unusable.

As the saying goes....."Too many cooks etc.

JamesNorth101 · #36 01-10-2014

The guide is just a guide. It outline how to remain link free.

Its not going to link you to all the rentable mail boxes in the because as soon as it does that none of them will be any use, just like its not going to tell you what to sell, because that item would instantly become unprofitable.

Bare in mind that the guide was written a few years ago, whereas the forum is very current and has all the latest information.

Stealthing does take time to learn, and finding all the best ways to do it takes a lot of research and trial and error. The more time you put in the more you will get out.

livingdaylight · #37 01-10-2014

Well, in that case then, I regret purchasing the guide, in the sense that the rough outlines are freely available and logical if one thinks about it. The devil is in the detail and Its the details that matter, and that's what I thought I was buying it for. Esp.also, If whatever updated and relevant information people were willing to share they would do in the forums.

I did notice in the guide that a lot of the information was outdated, but nevertheless it does list banks and cards etc -i.e. which services to use. Why would it render it useless to list these things? The guide may be outdated now you say, but when it was written it was fresh and with all those current recommendations in place, without thinking it would render them useless in the process by listing them

Would listing which po box to use, render it useless for the reason that I mentioned, could be the case? Because PP spies could add them to their list to flag when they come up on applications?

NoneOther · #38 01-10-2014

Banks and cards are generally easier to get and use within a stealth set up, addresses however are not.

As you very rightly point out everything regarding the stealth guidelines is fairly logical and obvious when it's actually pointed out to you in black and white but not many people are able to bring all the elements together themselves at first by merely thinking about it, hence the guide puts people on the right path.

The most successful stealthers are those that can stay ahead of the game as it changes by finding solutions to their own problems, some of which they may or may not share.

livingdaylight · #39 01-10-2014

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Originally Posted by NoneOther

The most successful stealthers are those that can stay ahead of the game as it changes by finding solutions to their own problems, some of which they may or may not share.

I See!

JamesNorth101 · #40 01-20-2014

Just FYI to those reading do not use the same addresses on lots of stealth account. They will eventually go down like dominoes. Mailboxes are still a very good method. PO boxes on the other hand should be avoided, as has been the case for a fair while.

GreenBean · #41 01-20-2014

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Originally Posted by livingdaylight

So, we're not talking of companies advertising mail boxes then? I'm told to search and I'll find it, but, seems I'm looking in the wrong place, if these people are not visible after a google search.

You actually answered your own question.....

You are not looking for something out there for the whole world ( & ebay & paypal to know)......

Think of being discreet