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phake USPS Tracking Numbers in eBay
 

I purchased an item a few weeks ago, it was a small item and could fit in an envelope. Of course, that means no tracking, which eBay does not like. I received an email from the seller:

Your order #2978 (13237) has shipped USPS First Class Mail. Due to the order total and cost of postage/ delivery confirmation, the tracking number used is for internal purposes only. We strive to ship and get orders to our customers quickly, however, this order may take 7-10 days to deliver. Weather and volume delays may occur. If such a delay happens to occur, please let us know. We will look into the details of the shipment and proceed as necessary. Please also note this will be with your regular mail delivery. Any questions, feel free to email us through your online account and order ID, so that we may assist. Thank you for your order.

Shipped on 3/13/2014 using USPS First Class: 0004000074512540273446405215266

Sincerely,
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

The tracking number is actually in eBay's system and does not, of course, show up on the USPS website. eBay's status is "In Transit" even though it was delivered over a month ago.

I'm NOT angry in any way. I also sell a couple of small items that I would LOVE to save $1.50 on each shipment and just send it in an envelope. Has anyone else seen or tried this? Does eBay have a huge problem with it? Does anyone know how to generate these tracking numbers that eBay will accept? Why is the sky blue?

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Idk, but I like that idea. Do you think it is an actual USPS tracking number? If so, I would ask usps. I personally have never seen anything like that before.

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Moved to the Subscribers section, we don't really need the masses doing this and having the door shut. :)

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Save 1.50$ would be good here as well. I'm curious too

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I had a seller do something similar with an item I ordered as well, though he didn't try to spin it like OP's seller. He just put in a nonexistent number that never worked. I'm pretty sure the number was nonexistent because the Post Office website didn't even recognize it.

I doubt eBay notices because the seller I mentioned sold large volumes and more than likely did that for all of his orders (or at least the small ones). However I'm sure all it takes is one annoying buyer to bring it to eBay's attention to cause some problems.

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I ordered a new Phone Sim and the tracking number went something like, 9346482738346742NotTrackableNumber. For what I paid, can't really complaint but I'm sure none-vendors would get all pissy faced.

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I may be wrong, but it seems eBay has a way to checking if your orders show delivered a tracking number is uploaded.

It can easily backbite, just a thought - think about August 20.

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Question is what do u see on package ? Just a stamp or some numbers which looks like tracking any barcode ..l if there is anything on package we can back tracking

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It's a tracking number used by USPS internally. It's used on letter sized mailing.

You can get it at the counter at the post office. It can't be tracked online but can be tracked on the USPS intranet.

They will not have a delivery scan, despite the "Delivery Confirmation" notation. This is the reason it still says "in transit".

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I would have thought it could back-fire, eg. the buyer looks at tracking, even though it was received ands thinks hmmm this is a clear cut case of INR...

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EB and PP can check

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I believe you, and to add - it's probably a numerical value of the meter strip they put along the bottom of the letter.

But.... I don't think the seller is sitting at the PO Window getting numbers for each letter and writing them down on the spot. That's a bit far fetched.

Is it possible this number comes from a postage-printing machine?


edit - I had a spare letter lying around and the meter strip has 65 lines on it. The number Jeff posted has 31 characters, which is almost exactly half that number.

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ummmm why bring it up now?

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It was just a thought. I sell some items that weigh less than 2 ounces and would be fine in an envelope. That costs .69 cents. But to get tracking, I have to send it as a "package" in a bubble mailer, which costs $2.32. That adds $1.63 to the cost.

These items are cheap and I have competitors. If they are able to mail at .69 and I am forced to mail at $2.32, it puts me at a competitive disadvantage.

I am starting to take a liking to smaller, cheaper items. Previously, I rarely considered them because it was too much work for too little profit. But now, using ShipStation and a couple of programs I had written for me, I have much better automation. What would take me 3 minutes per item to ship previously, now takes less than 30 seconds. Working myself, I can ship at least 200 items per hour. So that makes it more worthwhile. An example of the math would be: Currently, I can make $2 on a $6 item. 200 x $2 = $400 in profit. Saving $1.63 could boost my profit significantly: 200 x $3.63 = $726 in profit.

But you know how competition is on eBay - monkey see, monkey do. It is only a matter of time before others catch on to what I am doing and use those ⊗⊗⊗⊗ tracking numbers to lower their costs, and then the downward spiral for sales prices begins. I would quickly lose the battle if my shipping costs are three times higher than my competitors.

The example above, by the way is based on a real product, but each product is different, most do not have margins quite that high. My thought was to do enough products to be able to hire someone to do the pulling and packing and still make a profit.

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$1.93 with eB shipping discount. And thats for 1-3oz. So you should be marking your items as 3oz even if they're only 2oz.

For some reason I've had less issues since I started doing this.

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I'll send you a PM for help.

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CC me on that if you can.

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Expect a lot more lost packages and more messages to answer.

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Do not send anything that can BREAK. It's a big no-no. I once shipped 900 iphone lightning cables at once and almost half of them came back damaged. The letters go through a different machine than the packages. The letters, I assume are mashed through and the packages are sorted through.

However, feel free to do with with flat objects, just make sure that you secure them into something that isn't bendable easily.

This also does open up customer cases a lot because of the extended delivery time and the non-trackable info. Not to mention some guys that might wanna get one over on you and you have no way of knowing where the shipment actually is.

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The number the seller was using is a 31 digit number that is designed to be encoded as a barcode. The USPS calls the service "Intelligent Mail". These numbers are not trackable outside of the USPS.

The number the seller used did NOT conform to what the USPS guidelines are, but he obviously found a way to make eBay accept the number.

Since I first posted this, eBay announced a new way of determining TRS status - basically, many sellers will lose their TRS status as of August 2014.

Most of my accounts are TRS, but I am going to give up that status on a couple of them so that I don't have to use tracking numbers on small items that can be sent in an envelope. The 20% TRS discounts are nice, and I will strive to keep my accounts selling more expensive items in TRS status, but the 20% discounts are outweighed by what I can save on postage. I'm not willing to give up $600 to save $150. It just isn't worth it.

Yes, of course there will be some scammers. But almost all of the items I am sending this way sell for less than $5 with free shipping and cost me less than half of that. So, if I have to re-send a couple of items, or issue a couple of refunds, so be it.

It is a shame that it has to come to this, but eBay's rules just get worse and worse over time. Rather than try to create phake 31-digit tracking numbers, I would rather forego the discount. Yes, I will miss the other benefits of the TRS status, like the higher placement in search results, but I just don't see any alternatives.

Does anyone else sell small items, and if you do, how do you handle the tracking number situation? Do you feel paying more than double for postage to keep your TRS status is worth it?

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I has seen this more and more lately.

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I dont sell small items on TRS unless it's 'just' made bronze.

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People been abusing these fa ke numbers that now eb next month says if you don't got tracking uploaded within 24 hours you can't get TRS on it no more.

People abuse the system, they patch it up and make it harder! So they can filter out the bad sellers. I got TRS on like 8 accounts and never got my -20% discount. I called in they said it's only US accounts. I say F em. Cause I got some accounts that are not TRS and sell more then some that are TRS.

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That is absolutely true! You do NOT need to be a TRS to make sales. It CAN help, but so can writing a good title, product description, having competitive pricing, emphasizing customer service and quick shipping, etc.

TRS status IS nice, there is no denying that, but eBay is being unreasonable - they make it harder and harder to keep TRS status and force sellers of smaller items to use tracking even though it doubles, or even triples the postage cost. If eBay would just eliminate any sales under $10 from the tracking requirements, it would be very helpful. But I'm not holding my breath.

Again, we cannot change eBay, so it is not worthwhile to expend our time and efforts to try to do so. Much better to spend your time and efforts into working their system and making it profitable for you.

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Even if you do that as a new comer you can't compete with guys who are top ranked on the search engine. With 100's of items sold and you coming up as a noob!

Either you in the wrong business witch it sounds you are. Try selling your items 2 at a time so it's worth over $10? Or try another product?

It's really a shame with their new tracking system that has to be within 24 hours. I always ship 3 times a week. M W F and had top rated. Going to the post office for 1 package at times is not worth the time/gas. But going for 3+ is. Some days I get 1 item sold some days I get 15. Really depends.

But this within 24 hours is really a shame. They are trying to compete with Amazon since Amazon is higher ranked and they want to be just like them. They should stop looking at Amazon and let me run it!

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What gives you the idea that I am new? I have been on eBay since 1995. I remember it when it was called AuctionWeb.

Take, for example, a Molex to SATA power cable adapter. It is a tiny thing that weighs less than an ounce. I have an awesome supplier and I have sold hundreds of these on an account with more than 10,000 positive feedbacks. But nobody is going to buy them from me if I charge $10 for 2, 3 or 4 of them as most people need only one.

My cost per piece is 14 cents. I sell them for $2 (and $3 on a separate account) with free shipping. If I had to pay $1.90 rather than 50 cents for shipping, I would have to raise the price. My customers appreciate the fact that they can get them from me for cheap and I get a lot of referrals with eBay users passing my eBay-id along. And I come up just fine in the search results, at least so far.

Not to mention, this is only ONE product out of more than 2,000 that I sell. Check around eBay, not everyone selling in volume is a TRS. Again, the TRS status DOES help, there is no denying that. But if you think the only way to succeed on eBay is with TRS status, then you are really limiting yourself.

eBay is always changing and what works today may not work tomorrow. That is the nature of the beast. When you take the attitude that the deck is stacked against you and you don't have any chance, that can only work against you. I always prefer to at least TRY new things with eBay than to simply give up.

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That's for new people. But to me TRS just looks good to buyers honestly like I said. I have some accounts that get more sales then TRS accounts.

Plus that -20% I never seen it because I'm not blah blah blah by ebay's lame rules.

And yes they do make it harder each year. Maybe to filter out the scammers? Stealthers? Who knows. But I think it's to compete with Amazon! Amazon has 1 day shipping, ships within 1 day no questions or problems etc. They are pretty fast and so on.

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I never enter tracking, maybe 20% of the time on non TRS accts for many years. No problems.

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TRS is over rated just like sex.

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Ok virgin.

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I've slept with more girls then I own stealths. :clap:

I'm one of those guys who doesn't care about sex just MONEY!

1. Money/Business
2. Exotic Cars/Expensive items
3. Friends/Family
4. Women

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@GWW, dont forget health :FF: in that list

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Health is way above everything don't worry.

Money buys you the best FOODS = health is better. ;)