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38 Degrees Petition To Stop PayPal Limitations
 

Worth a sign y'all

https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitio...ime=1420829155

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Just put in about 50 signs from me.
Not a good thing as I can sit here an within 1 minute make 100 signups.....

....Bit of a 3rd party designed website.

Sorry to say this but its a waste of time. One of the many reasons is that the website is a bit lame and also it says you only need 200 signups.

200 signups is too small to even waste my time writing this post X

Re: 38 Degrees Petition To Stop PayPal Limitations
 

You obviously have no idea who 38 degrees are, and the success they have had in changing governmental policies.

If you have just signed up with lots of ⊗⊗⊗⊗ names and post codes, then they will be removed once the electoral role checks are done.

Instead of maybe waving your willy around, look into who they are, and be happy that there is someone who has the resources to fight paypal are potentially looking into it.

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oh and you didnt add 50 signups, you added around ten :thumb:

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It's always good to keep the pressure on, this individual petition may do nothing alone, but I think they feel the pressure with all the complaints always adding up.

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:thumb: Someone has some brains on here at least :)

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Petitions :thumb:

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Keep at them.... They should not be allowed to think they are above reproach

:deadhorse:

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Like This!

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Have to hit from all sides

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Send it round on your facialmedia profiles. More support the better :thumb:

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out of interest, what would you suggest instead of limitations? or do you think they should just rein in the harshness eg. get your money in 30 days or some other solution? chargebacks are up to 6 months so they should be able to hold something eg. equal to 1 transaction........not in favour of pp tactics, but they would just bring some other thing in instead and it could be harsher......

Re: 38 Degrees Petition To Stop PayPal Limitations
 

Its a good point.

Personally I would like the option of not receiving credit card payments, therefore are not liable for charge backs.

I think the petition is directly focussing on the way they 'pull the rug' from out under people, with no warning and no recourse. I think we all know people who have legitimately lost 'big' because of PayPal by no fault of their own.

I would also like them to pay tax in the UK.

In terms of limitations, I would say a full release of money within thirty days, with a percentage, say ten percent held for 180 if chargebacks are still in play, and new criteria to who and why they limit, with accountability, recourse, explanation and transparency.

Lol, aint never gonna happen, but thats my wish list :)

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People live on plastic.... Cut out the options for that and you cut business

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lol are you guys serious?

A petition with 200 signatures isn't going to do jack. Neither will a petition with 100,000 signatures. ALL financial instutites must holds certain client's funds, and this happens all the time as part of risk management and to comply with government financial regulations. If Paypal or banks were to stop doing this, they will go bankrupt within days as scammers and crooks swarm into the marketplace and completely destory the platform.

You're never going to be able to stop Paypal from freezing your funds. You just have to abid to the rules and play safe.

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I disagree, and I would be quite happy for there to be a 'choice' as i said, you personally dont have to take it, me, I would, thats the great thing about choice.

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Being from overseas I can understand you are not aware of 38 Degrees, and the petition is not designed to 'work' it is designed to hopefully have 38 degrees to start investigation in to te matter.

and i dont think you have read anything I have said in my later posts regarding your further points, however, entitled to your opinion, but you cant sign anyway being from Canada :)

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I've read all of this thread, and I'm just saying it's not going to happen. Forcing Paypal to never hold anyone's funds is essentially asking them to kill themself, it doesn't matter how "strong" your petition is or where in the world I'm from. What Paypal is doing is perfectly lawful, and there isn't much for any authority to investigate to be honest.

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Well thankfully we don't have to rely on your support , so it does matter where in the world you are from:thumb:

You also haven't read the thread or the petition details (or you have and not absorbed) as it is not entirely about holding funds and there are some specifics relating to that, but I don't think you have done that nor investigated the organisation, me I like to know facts before making an informed opinion, but if you're happy not to, then thats cool as well.

If you need it summarising for you, the concept is to raise awareness, so there is more accountability and transparency. Simples.

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Believe me, I have been around long enough to see how Paypal has drastically changed over the past few years. Their current model for limitating accounts and holding funds is by far the easiest going ever since.

Paypal is actually realizing what they were doing is killing their reputation within the past year or so, and have decided to step up and change themselves. Of course, unjustified limitations like the ones mentioned in the petition do still happen on rare occations, but the amount of those happening has been significantly reduced compared to back in the days.

Of course, you're also entitled to your own opinions as well and I very much respect you for that. I'm not saying your concerns are not legitimate; all I'm saying is Paypal's model of limitation and balance hold is a lot more lenient than before. In order to survive, it's unevitable for them to still do so on certain accounts under certain risky circumstances. Banks are able to do the same for their own survivabilities as well. With Paypal's current status, I don't personally see the point of spreading the said adwareness. Account limitations and 180 day holds are pretty much only handed out for very severe infractions at this point.

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Not true at all.

I agree that they do have to have some inbuilt security, however accountability and transparancy is required.

We cannot have a payment system attempting (and winning) to become almost the only payment system that buyers will use that freezes genuine accounts for no reason, and limits peoples accounts for no known reason. That is a punative abuse of power really.

For example yesterday, two charities I do work for had their Paypal accounts limited. One had the rent for their premises in the next six months. That charity that does fantastic work (fully registered as a Charity and a very public one) is now in severe financial hardship. If you feel this is acceptable behaviour, then I guess we just come from different worlds.

So , gaining awareness of this through petitions and strong campagining organisations like Zero Degrees is the only way to fight PayPal.So whether you think their model is now the most leniant it has ever been, it is still showing as being abusive and destroying businesses.

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All about security flags - multiple accounts, testing...trying...only way to learn them

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I agree, shutting people down is one thing, they can do that if they want, although sometimes I think their reasoning is odd eg. business is accepting too much money but no complaints or overt issues, so why is there a problem?

Amazon is worse actually.......by far.

However holding the major part of their money is another....it is their money, especially when the goods or services have been fulfilled.

withdrawing regularly is the best way, you will have used them effectively and made a profit over the long-term, even if they do shut you down at some point......

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Hate to say it but that's complete rubbish.

Any account limitation comes automatically with a hold of up to 180 days.

"Very severe infractions" must include any kind of connection to any kind of previously banned paypal or ebay accounts.
And we all know that bans from either of these companies don't come with any real reasons. It only comes with their automated explanations that recite the rulebook without giving you a proper explanation.

If paypal did things properly we wouldn't need this website nor would we need stealth accounts.

And there are lots of examples of perfectly legit properly run businesses having paypal problems - sometimes to the edge of bankruptcy

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Exactly. I dont think that poster actually read in to the petition at all.

oompaloompa - Some good points there, good summarising.

Maybe a fairer way of having reserves for chargebacks is looing at how many chargebacks the user had on their account within the time it was active, and use that as the basis for monye being held. You cant hold £5k of a charities money, especially not when all the payments where gifts because, they where a charity, so no chargebacks.

They are a financial institution that skirts around the law, so like all criminal activity, don't do the crime if you cant do the time. If PayPal gets stung, its their own fault.

Fight the Barstools. Accountability and Transparency.

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They should put a stop on PayPal blacklisting SS# too. Banks don't even do that and if they do they will allow you to open an account once you pay any other bank that you owe.

Banks don't blacklist people like PayPal do.

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Unfortunately/fortunately, thats not applicable in the UK.

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I just notice that after I clicked on the link. This tapatalk app is horrible.