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lucy 01-10-2016 01:01 AM

Sourcing items from same source as established seller
 
I'm branching out in what I sell and have seen an established power seller on eBay who has a professional looking listing template and who is registered on eBay as a limited company they sell at least 1000 items a month. The claim they have a factory in a 3rd world country that produces the items - but I've found almost 10 popular items they are selling off a wholesale website!

I've found the wholesaler they are buying some of their items from and plan on buying items from
the same wholesaler.

What precautions can I take to stop the seller claiming I'm using their images (when they are stock images off the wholesale site) or falsely telling eBay the items are vero and they produce the items themselves?

GreenBean 01-10-2016 03:13 AM

Re: Sourcing items from same source as established seller
 
Are you prepared for a war!

richie2065 01-10-2016 03:29 AM

Re: Sourcing items from same source as established seller
 
Is it a Niche area of the market.. if many other people are selling these items they prob wont know another seller in the marketplace especially going off the volume of items they are selling

RosieTosie 01-10-2016 04:08 AM

Re: Sourcing items from same source as established seller
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lucy (Post 736123)
I'm branching out in what I sell and have seen an established power seller on eBay who has a professional looking listing template and who is registered on eBay as a limited company they sell at least 1000 items a month. The claim they have a factory in a 3rd world country that produces the items - but I've found almost 10 popular items they are selling off a wholesale website!

I've found the wholesaler they are buying some of their items from and plan on buying items from
the same wholesaler.

What precautions can I take to stop the seller claiming I'm using their images (when they are stock images off the wholesale site) or falsely telling eBay the items are vero and they produce the items themselves?

If you can puchase them from a wholesale supplier Lucy then there will be others selling them, give it a go you will just be 1 more selling them, keep us updated on how you get on.

You could take your own photo's of the items, then that Powerseller couldn't say you were using same images as them.

solefoodbk 01-10-2016 04:42 AM

Re: Sourcing items from same source as established seller
 
Why not just submit the invoice to eBay if there is ever a problem?

If you can prove your buying from whomever and they see its the same as his (they do check other websites) you should be okay.

lucy 01-10-2016 04:49 AM

ooops soowwii for the typo GreenBean lol

I am prepared for a war because a few months ago I asked the seller if they could supply me wholesale and the response was something along the lines of 'yes we manufacture the items in our own factory and can supply you BUT your not allowed to sell on eBay'

GreenBean...I feel because they sell s minimum of 1000 of these items per month they are going to tell eBay they are the vero rights owner of the item and design manufacture these products and own the copyright etc - which is a lie because I've found a supplier who has a few of these items so then going to eBay saying Lucy is copying then etc is wrong.

The seller has watermarked all the stock images with they eBay name across the images and also claims to donate the money to a charity to a 3rd world country for all items sold, the charity is also set up by them.

Could you give me some tips to compete and keep the stealth account intact taking on this power seller who's also register as a business seller.
Quote:

Originally Posted by GreenBean (Post 736147)
Are you prepared for a war!


GreenBean 01-10-2016 04:57 AM

Re: Sourcing items from same source as established seller
 
What is slongvtgevilbrs

:faint:

lucy 01-10-2016 05:06 AM

Re: Sourcing items from same source as established seller
 
ooops sowwie for the typo its mean to read 'along the lines of' lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreenBean (Post 736169)
What is slongvtgevilbrs

:faint:


lucy 01-10-2016 05:20 AM

Re: Sourcing items from same source as established seller
 
Others are selling similar products but not the exact same items as this powerseller...who today when I've checked has nearly 200 active listings with a combined total of nearly 2200 items in those listings combined.

what this seller is also doing is displaying on all their listings - 100% of the sale of this item will benefit xyz charity, so basically they have set up their ebay business as a charity, which i think is another reason why are they selling close to 1000 items a month

Quote:

Originally Posted by richie2065 (Post 736151)
Is it a Niche area of the market.. if many other people are selling these items they prob wont know another seller in the marketplace especially going off the volume of items they are selling


lucy 01-10-2016 05:23 AM

Re: Sourcing items from same source as established seller
 
This should help if this seller reports my listings to ebay, i could scan a copy of the invoice and show the supplier web page links for the items concerned, so ebay could see the supplier has the same items as the powerseller on ebay who would argue they manufacture the same product themselves


Quote:

Originally Posted by solefoodbk (Post 736165)
Why not just submit the invoice to eBay if there is ever a problem?

If you can prove your buying from whomever and they see its the same as his (they do check other websites) you should be okay.


GreenBean 01-10-2016 05:30 AM

Re: Sourcing items from same source as established seller
 
All you need to do is make your listings entirely different from theirs.

You can not use one thing they have as "theirs"

Your sources need to be totally different.

Until you get going, do not sell a high proportion of "their" items. Mix your listings.
Keep looking for other money making items rather than deal with established sellers.

lucy 01-10-2016 06:28 AM

Re: Sourcing items from same source as established seller
 
Hi GreenBean, thanks for the advice below, just a couple of questions




Quote:

Originally Posted by GreenBean (Post 736174)
All you need to do is make your listings entirely different from theirs.

You can not use one thing they have as "theirs"

But the items will be the same as "theirs' as the pictures are from the same supplier, I will add my ebay name across the images, maybe colourize the images or add them into a frame etc...so the images look kind of different.


Your sources need to be totally different.
This is difficult as I've only found 1-2 suppliers that are selling some of the items this powerseller is selling, so the source will have to be the same unfortunatley




Until you get going, do not sell a high proportion of "their" items. Mix your listings.

I get you...throw in 2-3 of "their" items in with my listings and see if they notice or not, so it does not look so obvious to the powerseller

Keep looking for other money making items rather than deal with established sellers.

I can add in different items in...so to the powerseller it does not look I am taking them on with selling the same items


GreenBean 01-10-2016 06:48 AM

Re: Sourcing items from same source as established seller
 
lucy
you need to take your own photos

lucy 01-10-2016 06:57 AM

Re: Sourcing items from same source as established seller
 
o.k i will try that but its difficult because of the type of item the product is


Quote:

Originally Posted by GreenBean (Post 736191)
lucy
you need to take your own photos


yankee 01-10-2016 12:01 PM

Re: Sourcing items from same source as established seller
 
Always take your own pictures.

If they dont have a registered trademark, what is your concern about vero etc... To be vero, you must join ebays vero program with all legalities. One can not simply make a claim.

bigdaz 01-10-2016 12:17 PM

Re: Sourcing items from same source as established seller
 
its simple really, you can take your own pics and create your own listings, unless they actually 'own' the item then you wont have an issue

oompaloompa 01-10-2016 12:36 PM

Re: Sourcing items from same source as established seller
 
your own pics and you will be fine.
maybe the wholesaler buys from the factory too, depends on prices you can see....

depending on what it is, and if the description allows for more complex detail, you can sell the very same items and with slightly different description you can get a better price and still get sales....also people buy from a powerseller more readily...


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