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Restricted from selling indefinately, however..
 

So my real account with all my legitimate info on it was restricted from selling on eBay indefinately, including new accounts. This happened as me and a friend was offering a service on eBay and made a good chunk of money for 2 months, however we got a couple low DSR's and that was the end of us apparently.


Basically we had an account between us. This eBay account was in my friends name however it was the only account we used. We both had talked to eBay about services we offered and had our selling limits increased massively and talked to them over the phone a lot.

Suddenly we log in and that account has been destroyed and banned off eBay. My personal paypal was linked to the eBay account along with my address as a return address.

My instant reaction is to switch to a second account i had in my personal details and continue on there - build it back up and do it better this time around - i also linked the same paypal as was used on my friends paypal account to this one (oops).

All was going fine until i hit my selling limit. I called eBay and answered their questions and suddenly i was being asked about the old account that has been banned off eBay. Fairly shocked that they had linked the two (silly of me) i denied being involved with that account as it was in a friends name i thought i could get away with it - apparently not. The women LIED to me on the phone and said she is going to send me an email to verify my ID's and then she will increase my limits. Instantly after getting off the phone my account has been suspended indefinately including new accounts - AHHGG. So eBay are telling LIES to get people off the phone now?


To close it up my initial question is this;

Account #1 in friends name and my address + paypal banned.

Account #2 in my First & Last name + address + same paypal as account #1 banned

Account #3 (an old account i had) was made in 2010 and has my FIRST + MIDDLE (NOT LAST) and my real address on it. This account has zero selling limits as confirmed by eBay earlier and no restrictions (weird?).

So where do i stand? I've not gone stealth at all without account #3 and i it's definately going to be linked to account's #1 and #2 either by IP or cookies and address + phone number. (Paypal is a old paypal i had too, not same one as #1 and #2)

Should i expect account #3 to get banned? Surely it would have been banned by now as this was 3 days ago and i have even spoken to eBay from that account about limits etc.

Account 3 cant be sold on as it has zero limits - it is dead for selling on.

You seem to have a basic understanding about stealth ie IP, cookies, names & addresses so I'd suggest you walk away from the mess of these old accounts and start afresh with stealth accounts.

Welcome onboard. :)

Sorry explained that wrong - by zero limits i mean there is no selling limits in place - for example i can list and sell as many £'s as i want on that account. I do not need to ring up or have a manual verification to increase any selling allowances. I also have items listed on this new account just to test the water and have sold about 18 so far with no problems.

I just dont want to build it up and get rolling again and have ebay shut this one down for some reason. I''m guessing it would of got shut down by now if that was the case?

No. As soon as you try to sell on that account it will get axed (maybe within a day or so but probably instantly)

It is not perceived as a threat at the moment until you start to list on it.

I've listed 6 auctions in the last 3-4 days since my suspension and sold around 18 items and the account is still strong - this is why im confused.

The account is definitely linked to the other suspended accounts. It is just a matter of time. . . . . .

So you feel it will 100% be suspended soon? Can anyone else share there thoughts on the outcome of this?

Thanks ebayorbust.

Forget all the old accounts & go stealth.
I had a similar set up & it's just a waste of time chasing around trying to get the old accounts up & running

I have the facilities to do this - i only have one big issue that prevents me using any stealth account.

My presence on eBay is not selling of sorts - i offer a service in which customers purchase the auction and mail in their equipment for repair. Before my friend got suspended we was taking a lot of orders and word got out - we even became a top rated seller doing our repair service through eBay.

The issue with this is people need to know the address to post there items to - i work from one address and this is my workshop, i cannot migrate and i cannot hang around in another address waiting for post to arrive with peoples equipment, i'm simply to busy for that.

So how can i put my workshops address as a send to address on my stealth account without getting linked? I don't think stealth is something i can do... unless there's a clever brain on here who can think up something, or there is a non-public method of doing things?

You can probably send a message to your buyer through either EBay or direct email of the Address to your Workshop. Please remember that there are Grey areas and it's up to you to either learn to use them or simply just ignore them.

My experience with this previously is that we had a different address registered (my friends) than the workshop address and 3/5 people would send to the registered address and not see the email/message. See my predicament? :(

Marine, there are ways and means that I'm not going to discuss on this open thread. Its not rocket science neither, have you bought the Ebay Stealth manual? That has some solutions, and there are other methods.

Hi johnnyleeds.

I have not purchased the book as i feel very comfortable i know most of what it has to offer - based around me being an IT technician and what i have read on this forum.

I know you will tell me i will learn something about eBay in the book and that may be the case but i know how exactly how to go stealth, just not doing what i'm offering on eBay.


I would happily donate/pay if there was a solution available that meant i could be stealth and do what i am doing?

/quote

Should i expect account #3 to get banned? Surely it would have been banned by now as this was 3 days ago and i have even spoken to eBay from that account about limits etc.

and based on your IT knowledge, you seem to know the score.

You may not be banned right now but even later on...is it worth the risk? Best to let it go and restart via stealth

rsot this is what i want to do - but i don't think i can.


The problem is the address on the stealth account has to be my workshop address. My workshop account + address got linked to a friends account and got indefinately suspended.


I offer post-in repairs on eBay and people need to see my address on both my registration details and the eBay page.

I'm getting mixed views of a work around as eBay will link addresses i'm sure.


I cannot get things sent to another address as i will never be there - i spend a lot of time in my shop and simply cannot wait around or miss deliveries.

Can you ot tweak the workshop address so it so it seems different but post can still arrive?

Interesting.

I take it the only thing i am trying to avoid is the bots / ebays scripts catching the address?

I doubt human review would catch on due to the sheer amount of eBay accounts ?


What if my address was for example

123 logic road

could i change is to 123 logics road? Postman man would still get it here however would this flag ebay?

Very illogical to try that address tweak.

Right at the moment, you are in a difficult place.

The axe could fall & make all this redundant.

Accounts get reviewed manually.... there's your next glitch.

Time to think outside the box

:juggle:

Indeed. :mad:

I will be happy to donate to the forum for any possible solutions or work arounds , i'm just out of ideas!

I suppose i could just give up and realize what i want to do isn't going to happen through stealth - but i wont.

Marine, listen, you seem to think you already know it all so why are you in the forum asking questions? its not got anything to do with IT knowledge setting up an Ebay / Paypal stealth account.

I'll tell you how it happened for me cos I see you going down exactly the same road, I thought I knew a lot about Ebay as I've used it since it began, and I've also worked as an IT systems analyst plus I have an IT related degree, but I spent months / years going from one new ebay account to another with each one getting banned after a few months - and not by any wrong doing of mine, mostly by getting linked to my old accounts as I didnt understand the intricacies involved in the whole stealth process.

Now eventually I discovered this forum a few years ago, and yes I managed to cobble together my first proper stealth account, but only after spending months studying different threads etc and aksking lots of questions. Anyway somewhere along the line I lost this account, probably for reasons of linking, I've never conned anyone or anything, but neither have most folk who get suspended / banned etc.

So I thought I'll finally get a copy of the Ebay Stealth manual and it was a real eye opener. Yes I knew a lot of the stuff in it already, but there were more things I'd not even thought about. Ultimately I wish I'd bought it earlier as it explains to you where to start and gives you a step by step process to follow so that you dont make any basic mistakes, any one of which could link / ruin your new account.

So its well worth buying a copy as it will save you a lot of time and its an invaluable reference. Then you can come into this forum with any other issues related to your situation with an overall knowledge of what you're doing. Of course we're all still learning all the time to keep up with new developments, thats why myself and countless other people still come in here after years of running successful stealth accounts to check out if taking a certain step is ok or not.

If you really want to continue trading on Ebay you wont see buying the ebay stealth manual as an unreasonable expense, I think you'd find most people who use this forum will agree its worth its weight in gold.

Dont give up hope because as I've found out for myself where there is a will there is a way!!

Fully agree.

It also took me a few months to learn how to do stealth properly, and you can save a hell of a lot of time buying the book.

After a while you think you know everything about stealth, then you come back to the forum and you discover more gold.

Ebay and Amazon are always changing(for the worst usually), I love learning new tricks to beat them at their own game :D

Love reading this forum whilst in bed on my phone, unfortunately the wench next to me complains cos of the light.

Appreciate the words Johnny.


I really do not feel the need to buy the book - It wont tell me how to fix my current situation and i am extremely clued up in the internet privacy side of things, being linked is not an issue i'm worried about minus the address issue i have bought up -


As said before - i'm not here for free advice, i will pass on the price of the book to aspkin as a donation if someone can come up with a solution - i'm that confident the book doesn't have what i need to know right now.

If aspkin could confirm on this thread what i want to do isn't possible then i can leave it at that.

Cheers

There are a lot of ways to make changes to your address, some of them work, some of them do not. The one you suggested above would not.
Try them out while this account is working as you may need the working ones later.

Start sending letters to those address' to see what will get though to your address.

On the problem you have about having to use your own address, have you not considered setting up a collection account with one of the postal services?

Not sure what the item is but you could offer packing materials that would obviously be addressed to your real address, the way microsoft do with the xbox, when they send out the coffin. (A cardboard box)
You could state you have more than one workshop and due to workload the closest one to the buyer will be selected, or due to workload your system will select the best one to fulfil the customers order in the shortest possible time.

What people are trying to warn you about your problem, is that you have already lost one account and you are making the mistake of relying on this third account even though you know you can't rely on just one account.
Most of the address changing info you are offering is moved into the subscribers area or the book, so you may be better off following that path before you begin to waste bank accounts, and phone numbers or the other things that can help your new accounts.

Also when you suggest it is just the bot you have to beat. the bot is not the problem it is the human that will be asking for you to send ID and will be looking at your account.
If you have competitors, you also have to worry about them.

isitworthless,

Very good suggestion with the box idea - my only concern is that the main competitors don't do it that way and it will add extra costs to repair price and also extra time while they wait for the box to arrive and then to send back etc.


Do you think my answer may lie in the subscription forum (should i subscribe)

Cheers.

All I can tell you is that if you look through the forum there is a lot of stuff that is moved to the subscribers forum and then I suppose into the newer versions of the book

With the more than one workshop idea you would not need to send packing materials and you are just pretending to be bigger than you are by suggesting that you have several workshops across the country then you send them your own workshop address in a message or the invoice message box.

I think i am correct in thinking eBay manually read messages on accounts for whatever reason they might need too (seller cases etc) so i imagine sending a message with a blacklisted address will link me eventually?

People also tend to send their items to the registered address straight after they pay even if i state int he auction not too - had this problem with my business parter where some people would just send to his address as it was the registered one. Last thing i need is a £500+ item going to a stealth address :rant:

You could try some kind of mail forward mail service.

First of all, your NOW account is time limited, I'm 100% on this, it could be in a week or few months but if you use it , it will happen and most likely when you have plenty of dosh in there

Second of all you have way bigger problems than a little EXTRA Cost.
Bigger picture is relevant here, if you do ever get a manual review from eby you will get shut down in no time.

How many other people with the same name, first and last in your area do what you do, sell your service ? on ebay at that ?

If your account wasn't so stuffed then the problem in regards to your address and people sending stuff is a simple one to sort for free that everyone has seems to over looked, however its not something I'm going to share with you because it seem to me you want to have your cake and eat it, well eat away pal and when you have had enough come back with a different out look and you might actually get the help you need.

Oh, and to answer you question, no it lies in your attitude.

Good Luck :d

Not sure i have an attitude. All you get on this forum is people pushing the book. Fair enough it's going to be well worth the read but i can't say it enough the book will not teach me what i need to know right now.

What is a better outlook? I'm simply asking for a solution and even offering a reward for it.

I've been registered here since 2008 - that's almost 4 years of information i've sucked up. I don't see why saying the book wont solve my problem gets some of you on edge.

I just feel like you're trolling, come into my thread were people are trying to come up with a solution for me, you come in and tell me you have one and that you're not giving me it because of my attitude. Okkk.

Also i think you missed the point.

I want to create a stealth account and still use my current address / atleast have post delivered here.


I 100% understand my account is a ticking bomb hence why i want a stealth setup.

you right i missed that point because it wasn't pointed out till now.

the point i was making was you need to go stealth, so who missed the point .

It's easy to assume you would have read all the posts & replies before making one, i have stated i want to create a stealth account etc.

Again i'm still confused about it all. I don't care to get into an argument over misinformation or anything like that, i would like to stay on topic though and get through this barrier if possible.

Just to clarify - my paypal wont get limited will it?

the first account that got suspended didnt have its paypal suspended.

The paypal is still up and running, no money was limited or held.

you have answered my question and your own about who's missed the point right there.

I wasn't trying to argue either, just offer advise, which in turn you have not listend to or refuse to believe so like i said good luck.

Oh lordy! Marine at one point you try and say you know it all, but then you are asking random questions about fairly basic points... I couldnt care less if you bought the book or not, I dont get anything from promoting it.

But I think this problem with your address is the least of your worries, if you wanna go stealth you need to know a lot more besides, its specialist knowledge really - I dont mean its anything particularly illegal or technically challenging, but until you really know what you're on about its not easy to put a lot of it into a context that a non-stealther like yourself would understand.

I know how to get around the address thing but I'm not going to spell it out on this forum for a number of reasons and I'm not interested in making any financial gain for sharing what I know with someone who thinks there is an instant way to do something that the rest of us have put a lot of time into perfecting. Chances are you'd screw it up because you wouldnt do it correctly because you'll have missed something vital. Then that might have a knock on effect and ruin it for everyone else.

Anyway I'm not gonna contribute to this thread anymore cos its just frustrating trying to talk to someone who thinks they know it all.

P.S what is it you're getting banned for? Flashing X-Box / PS3's etc? Thats illegal anyway.

No i am not flashing xbox's or doing anything illegal - it wasn't even my account that was suspended but as i logged into it they linked all my accounts to it, so no i was not doing anything illegal.


Also again, just because i say i don't want to buy the book means i'm a know it all? Cmon...

I asked a simple question as another member said my paypal will get limited, but my last one didn't, so why would it this time? The book doesn't answer that question either does it? Not even you can answer that question.

It was silly of me to ask it as only paypal know the answer to that one.

I have had some very kind help from other members privately and also in this topic - covering all the information i need to close this thread as i have the solution.

Seriously wouldn't have been hard to be supportive - just because you don't like the fact i may actually have done a lot of research before posting this thread and the fact my career ventures into this field of privacy (better not say that to loud, i'll be called a know it all)

I have found several empty lots around my neighborhood, for example,if my address was 200 main st, and that's what eBay had, the empty lot is 3 doors down, I would use 208 main street, Ste 200'
I have received mail this way, and I currently have accts in operation this way.
They are still up and selling.
Good luck!

I think i have this covered already.

For example say ebay had blacklisted: 124 Ridge Close. If i put 126 Ridge close, (124) 126 would not exist as the last unit on the street is 124. This would work and avoid links in your opinion?

Make sure you have your ID ready for those address', as the moment they look on the voting register and see nothing they will be requesting it.

But you can also change road to the other alternatives or turn the building you are in into apartments or units.

The reality of royal mail is that they will deliver your item with the door number and the postcode so the rest is nothing so playing around with it does not make much difference to them.

Post letters to yourself with the changes to test them.

But follow the one rule of ebay that everyone should follow: Do not just have the one account

marine I would advise just reading the book, there are many ways you can get round the problem but i think you should learn to create stealth accounts first before you use them

Your account will eventually get banned when ebay spot it it might be a week it might be 6 months but what you need to do if you want to make money is have 5/6 strong accounts ready to sell instead of leaving you in this panicky predicament