Tracking through emails / Web beacons / TOKENS / index.dat files? WHAT ELSE?

[Modee]

belerim, just use Firefox set to delete all cookies on every restart.

[Jack]

The only bad thing about firefox is that ebay's servers aren't well supported for them. At least that's been my experience. For instance on the old sell form (why oh WHY they had to switch to the new form!) you can't put in a standard listing with html integrated. You can put in html, but that takes time. I suppose you could save a template and then change just a few things, but you'd have to start from square one if you ever ran into ebay problems. Another thing is the ebay chat seems to be less cooperative with firefox. These are all small prices to pay for having firefox, but still ebay should get with the times.

On a related note, does anyone know if download history can get you into trouble just as easily as the cookies and cache? I have firefox set to delete everything but the history upon closing. I keep about the last 10 days in reserve just in case, it's nice to be able to revisit old search pages and whatnot sometimes, especially if you're not logging into suspended accounts, just looking at pages you visited on good accounts. Plus I'll admit I'm a bit of a packrat, I like to think of it as being prepared I wonder if that is the major cause for a system slowdown. I have been having problems with that lately. Maybe I need to cut it down to just 5 days...

[Jack]

For anyone who ever wanted to know about Tokens, what they are, how and when to use them, and if they can or can't be used to identify you to ebay, this is the thread for you. For some time now I've been looking for answers to the question of whether your IP is shared with ebay through the use of tokens, and from what I've found so far, all the sources I've spoken with, all the material I've read, every indication leads to yes. Yes, your IP can be shared with ebay through the use of tokens. What I have yet to find out though is whether third party programs such as the popular Auctiva and InkFrog give off more sensitive information than just your IP when creating a token. Is this token unique to your computer system, or just a random number combination created at that particular time through that particular IP address? The short answer is I don't know...yet. But if in fact the information that is passed on to Ebay through the third party can easily be linked back to your COMPUTER, and not just your IP, cache or cookies, this could be a major problem for anyone who has had a suspended account (IOW the majority of this forum I'd gather) and continues to go back to these parties to list or even host pictures!

If anyone has a definitive answer or just some thoughts to just how much more sophisticated these third party tokens are to the traditional ebay defenses, please share it here. I'm sure there are many like myself who would like to hear the truth.

[make0moneyonebay]

all the 3rd party softwares get a token from ebay. What is token? aspkin, modee, do you guys know?

[Modee]

As far as I know, tokens are used in limiting access to servers (i.e. security, e.g. access control operations) and I do not believe they have any relevance to our discussions. Jack, please let us know what exactly you are thinking.

[make0moneyonebay]

we have concern on if we use 3rd party software to access ebay. Will ebay get our iP? or ebay just get 3rd party software server's ip. Thanks, Modee.

[Jack]

Modee, tokens are used by these third parties to identify you to ebay so they don't have to ask you for your password or other sensitive material when submitting auctions or hosting material. But through discussions I've had and questions asked, it appears that they also identify your IP to them, and possibly more. I'm not sure exactly how much more, or how indepth they go, but until we know more, I consider them on the same alert level as anything in an email as MANY use the third parties and it's growing every day, what with ebay's new "improved" (read pathetic) SYI tool, turbolisters many glitches, and the fact that they offer something ebay would never do again--offer free services. If in fact they have a way of identifying not only your IP, but that SPECIFIC computer, it could be a BIG source of suspended accounts.

This doesn't really belong in this thread though in my opinion as like you said it has nothing to do with emails and it will only defeat the purpose and confuse the point of this thread. That's why I started the new thread. I really feel it's important and different enough to be worthy of it. Please consider it. Thanks

[Modee]

Jack, I think you are confusing tokens and cookies. Again, I do not believe that tokens have anything to do with pages that submit auctions or the like. You might even be confusing tokens with the MAC # of a computer, which is transmitted in certain circumstances such as on banking secure websites.

Tokens, as far as I know, are used in closed server universes to control access. Not across the open internet.

[CPUGEEK]

jack I asked auctiva..

Tokens is nothing more then giving permission for a 3rd party company to access your ebay account. NO information is shared...The only thing about auctiva is that i would change up the pictures and templates if you were previsouly suspended.

tokens do not give out secure information.

[CPUGEEK]

Heres what auctiva wrote me...

Hello,

When you click a "Generate eBay Token" button, you are redirected to the eBay sign-in screen. eBay requests that you specifically agree to let them share necessary information from your eBay account with Auctiva Corporation for Auctiva functions. When you click on "Agree and Continue," eBay assigns the token and you are switched back to the Auctiva screen with your eBay identity linked.

Below is the text of agreement:

In order to fulfill your request to use Auctiva Corporation on eBay, we need to give Auctiva Corporation access to some information about you. This information will be encrypted in a way that Auctiva Corporation will only be able to use it to perform the following functions on your behalf:

* Display the status of items I sell.
Information that is currently available in the selling section of My eBay.
* List new items for sale, relist items, sell similar items, or make a second chance offer.
Perform item listing actions on my behalf using tools similar to Sell Your Item, etc...
* Add to item description or revise items for sale.
Perform revisions or additions to item listings on my behalf similar to Revise Your Item.
* Leave feedback or display my feedback.
Perform feedback actions on my behalf such as leaving feedback or display my feedback.

For your security and protection, eBay requires your explicit consent before we will transfer any eBay transaction information to third parties. eBay strongly encourages you to read Auctiva Corporation's Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policy as their use of your eBay transaction information is controlled by those policies, and is not directly controlled by eBay.

Please let me know if you have any further questions.

Thank you,
Auctiva Support

[leonid5000]

Originally Posted by AndreasF

From what I have seen during the last couple of weeks, it seems that ebay logs IP as soon as you log into your ac.

Take care,

if you open email from ebay they use this bug that looks like a small image in the bottom of the email .. so use Outlook Express and select read text only in the program then it will block it. use this if you chek email from your suspended ip .. bug is cheking for ip if you are cheking email with your suspendet ip it will recordet. im from russia and ebay got russian programers in 2006 to setup this security system. And you know what they say dont f with russians. ;--) before they hired russian programers theyr system was retardet just like them.

[leonid5000]

if you open email from ebay they use this bug that looks like a small image in the bottom of the email .. so use Outlook Express and select read text only in the program then it will block it. use this if you chek email from your suspended ip .. bug is cheking for ip if you are cheking email with your suspendet ip it will recordet. im from russia and ebay got russian programers in 2006 to setup this security system. And you know what they say dont f with russians. ;--) before they hired russian programers theyr system was retardet just like them.

[ihatebay]

Thanks, I got it Changed now, though it didn't matter to me before as I got a new IP for each user name. They can track my IP's the hell they want because I got a new one hehe

[leonid5000]

Ok here is another one for you people
You know you have to clean your cookies but what you don’t know is. When you finish cleaning your cookies is not all. that there is a index file left and there with all your other cookies in there. go to the folder where you have you cookie and you will se that file. You can’t erase that file. In windows xp you can see that file but in vista the fukrs hide the file ..it is invisible. A you know us government have helped to develop ‘’’ vista
new security programs will be working soon and eBay as well If any one is interested I will post the new program that will fix that problem
this are fotos of whats inside that file as you can see there are all your cookies
before deleting
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6859/19689990js0.gif
after deleting
http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/9746/18964628zx4.gif

that is why people suggest to create new user on your comp so you have separate cookie files

[leonid5000]

Windows Vista, some more dirty little tricks are added.
Why would anyone go out of his way and hide your internet browsing history files? And to top it all classify them as protected system files. Not even Windows system DLLs are so cared to be protected.

[leonid5000]

Do you know how your enemy looks like?? this is what their security program looks like
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/6827/79625832nn9.jpg
http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/5346/17011294zt0.jpg
For at least the third time in as many months, a malicious hacker has gained unauthorized access to parts of eBay's network despite the best efforts of the company's security team to fortify its system against the embarrassing breaches.
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[whome]

Originally Posted by leonid5000

Ok here is another one for you people
You know you have to clean your cookies but what you don’t know is. When you finish cleaning your cookies is not all. that there is a index file left and there with all your other cookies in there. go to the folder where you have you cookie and you will se that file. You can’t erase that file. In windows xp you can see that file but in vista the fukrs hide the file ..it is invisible. A you know us government have helped to develop ‘’’ vista
new security programs will be working soon and eBay as well If any one is interested I will post the new program that will fix that problem
this are fotos of whats inside that file as you can see there are all your cookies
before deleting
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6859/19689990js0.gif
after deleting
http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/9746/18964628zx4.gif

that is why people suggest to create new user on your comp so you have separate cookie files

Can you expand on your last point? Create new user on your comp...

[leonid5000]

go to Control Panel
go to User Accounts
go to create a new account
restart your windows and you will see

[ihatebay]

Originally Posted by whome

Can you expand on your last point? Create new user on your comp...

Please let us know that program.

I hope I don't get suspended now:\....

[leonid5000]

this only PROGRAM THAT REALLY WORKS OF CLEANING YOUR COMP
Internet and disk cleanup software: deletes index.dat files, internet history, cache and cookies. Windows Vista compatible.

FORGET THE OTHER Utilities TO CLEAN THEY ARE CREATED FOR COMPUTER ILLITERATE PEOPLE .. THIS ONE IS MADE FOR PRO
and please people don't pay for programs if you don't have $
just download from hacker sites.. any program on the market today can be downloaded for free. Also any new move...
just download this program emule