Ebay Tracking via pictures - reusing the same pictures / images in listings?

Norway · 02-01-2007, 03:19 AM

Let me first say that the reason for me putting up a few questions relating to Ebay suspension is of cource that I am one of the "unfornate one*s"...

Let me also say that The Aspkins site is so far the most informative I have found and as far as I can see without any intentions to cash in on this problem.So thank you for sharing your information with us..

Anyway,a few details in your very informative instruction is unclear to me and I welcome any comments to clearify this..

a) " Do not host your own gallery images"...sorry,I quite dont follow.I think most ex Ebay users was/are private persons and we all keep our images (scannings of items for sale) on our private PC and then upload. So I guess you are talking about sellers who keep their own website and load up from there ( ie..aspkin.com/images) ,correct ? SO uploading again from your own PC after having your new Ebay userID up and running should be ok,right ? I scan the item directly,so there have never been a "view to my living room" if I can call it that. so I guess there should be no need for .." Have either eBay host your images, where you upload your image to eBay or use a 3rd party image hosting website."...

b) "eBay will blacklist my domain for GALLERY images,not auction images."...sorry again,I dont quite understand...the way I think about it is that a GALLERY image is a miniature photo of the image you have of your auction,so why should it be a problem ? I mean when uploading an auction you can choose to have a GALLERY image for a small exstra fee and it is the main photo from your auction...Please clarify...

cheers

NORWAY

**aspkin** · 02-01-2007, 07:57 PM

A) Yes exactly, users who have their own websites and try to host their GALLERY image from their site will find that eBay can easily track this, and will link and suspend accounts in this way. Simply upload your gallery image to eBay and you'll be okay.

B) This is part of A as well, I basically mean here that again do not try to host your only gallery image, eBay can track that. But images within your auctions, say you have a button that says instant delivery… these are okay for you to host from a host of yours, if you choose to do so. Either way you can choose to host your self or have eBay host the images for the DESCRIPTION part of the auction.

The main thing is don't host your own gallery image (miniature photo of the image you have of your auction). Everything else is fine.

Don't try to over think it, it's simple.

Jack · 02-03-2007, 08:07 AM

Not to hijack this thread, but what is likely to happen if your images are on a 3rd party auction hosting site but which supports ebay? Should we assume that too is not a wise move or is that about the same risk as hosting them from your computer like Norway said? And would having those images hosted to another auction or sale site that is an ebay competitor and then taking those same auctions and basically cloning them for ebay land you in the soup pretty quick too? Is it necessary to cover your tracks well and make completely different auctions with new pictures and just a whole new look in order to keep your new account very long?

**aspkin** · 02-04-2007, 12:11 AM

Jack, it's okay to host your images from 3rd party image hosting sites or major sites; eBay won't blacklist those sites as it's more then likely more then one person uses them.

Second it's always a good idea to change your auctions around, including title and description if you are suspended. For sure change your titles. If it's an automated ban, this will help you next time.

billybuns · 02-11-2007, 09:27 PM

Does anyone know what the deal is with picture hosting if your account has been suspended? Are you still able to host pictures from the same account as long as u cange the picture name or will ebay just get the location and link you? I have photobucket and would like to use that however I have used it before with ebay and my account was suspended. I have been back on ebay for almost 2 months and just started selling last week so i dont want to take any chances here.

Jack · 02-16-2007, 10:38 AM

Going back to the well at the same image hosting site might not be the wisest choice for EVERY time you are suspended. At some point, even a moron could put two and two together I'm sure. What 3rd party image and/or auction hosting sites do you recommend? Name your top three to help out everyone. And if you know of any stinkers, a warning would be appreciated.

I'll start. I've had pretty good luck with Auctiva, but am looking at maybe webshots and imageshack for backups. I'm not sure of the traffic and security on those, but they do seem to have a lot of advertising point their way. Photobucket may be one of the most widely used, but every time I click on a link that's at least a month old, it's dead. Personally I HATE that for personal use, but it might be helpful in covering tracks.

But do they have auction hosting as well? Which hosts have you used, like and dislike?

**Modee** · 02-16-2007, 10:56 AM

ImageShack is what I use.

I allow my images to be viewed publicly so not sure what you mean by "secure" image hosting. Anyone with the direct link can access your image.

Jack · 02-16-2007, 11:30 AM

Modee, by secure I just meant that they weren't easily connected to a past suspended account. That there might be that added layer of anonymity by either secure encryption or sheer numbers of users.

I was also reminded when I started looking around that there is a difference between photo hosting and auction hosting. Since the idea is to feed the ebay monster as little as possible, it would be nice not to have to pay them extra for additional photos. This is definately possible in Auctiva. I'm not sure if Photobucket or Imageshack have this option, or if there are any other good competition for that service, but it would be nice to know others opinions. Also, if you have been suspended and at the time were using an Auctiva account to auction host, would it be any more or less secure to create a new account in Auctiva than in another totally different image hosting program?

**Modee** · 02-16-2007, 11:44 AM

Any pictures (hosted images) that are included in the "Description" part of the EBAY listing are free.

Jack · 02-16-2007, 12:54 PM

Hmm. I've never tried it that way before. Are you able to paste the pictures in directly or just hyper links?

**aspkin** · 02-16-2007, 01:46 PM

As html yes, in the description.

<img src="url here">

**Modee** · 02-16-2007, 11:49 PM

In my opinion, html EBAY listings are KEY to success. I've opened NEW accounts and sold items for several thousand dollars, on no reserve auctions starting at one dollar, with zero and I do mean zero feedback. These auctions often close even higher than the prices I used to get for the identical items on my account that had hundreds of 100% positive feedback!

If the listings look very professional, there is no need to waste time building up cheap feedback.

Matter of fact, which looks more suspicious - no feedback or a bunch of irrelevant, cheap feedback? People aren't stupid and know that a bunch of cheap feedback means you are trying to impress, and the usual assumption is fraud.

temps425 · 03-12-2007, 08:15 PM

First of all...I feel like Im working against the CIA!

Regarding the gallery images ability to link domains:
If I register a new domain with my existing image hosting service, will I be OK as long as the URL's are completely different? Or should I always go through ebay to post gallery images from now on? (I'm pretty sure this is how they got me last time after about 6 months)

Also, I use auctiva to list on eBay. Should I cease using the same listing service?

Upon resetting my IP, I now show my city to be out of state. I am not using a proxy server and have disabled my anonymizer proggys. Not sure why its doing this. Is it necessary to have my IP city to be the same as the address and credit card address? If I update my address, then add a credit card for sellers account, will I get flagged? I already have a friends buyers account w/ a verified address. Would I be better off changing it, or just leave it alone and add a Credit Card at a different address??

PS: Aspkin, great job on the tutorial. Searched for a day till I ran across this forum. Probably the only truly worthwhile source for this info, free or sold.

Jack2007 · 03-27-2007, 12:22 PM

please share the image hosting for ebay pictures. thanks

I currently use imagebulk but the have low bandwidth.

**Modee** · 03-27-2007, 01:19 PM

I use ImageShack. No problems.

Jack2007 · 03-27-2007, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Modee

I use ImageShack. No problems.

thanks. I'll move all my images ova there.

Jonas · 04-25-2007, 04:26 AM

Does anyone know about eBay checking re-using pictures. I don't mean a human doing it manually, but an automated system. Is this real or false?

dia.warner · 04-25-2007, 05:13 AM

The whole idea, when starting a new account on ebay, is to give a make over.
New pictures (not only that ebay can identify your new account to the suspended one, but there is also the risk of people seeing the photos and "remember" them from your old auctions and therefore report you to ebay, ebay has no second thoughts and they will suspend you right away), new descriptions, new IP, new address, new Paypal email, clear cookies, temp files and history.

Nothing from your new account has to "remind" them of the old one.

I think it's better to try and wash off all the traces than setting up new accounts every week.

All this sneaking up on ebay and "account disguising" is becoming fun and exicting, in a sick way =)))
Dia

**aspkin** · 04-25-2007, 08:57 AM

Jonas I found that eBay checks URLS, and names of images fairly well. Though that doesn't immediately suspend you because of other users use the same images at times. But also I have noticed it seems more like a human eye that views some of my auctions. Only my VeRO could do it. If you're items aren't be VeRO'd then you'll be okay and only have to worry about the automated checks. But certainly change image names if you can, it could save you a headache in the future.

02-01-2007, 03:19 AM	#1 (permalink)
Norway eBay Newbie iTrader: (0) Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1	Ebay Tracking via pictures - reusing the same pictures / images in listings? Let me first say that the reason for me putting up a few questions relating to Ebay suspension is of cource that I am one of the "unfornate one*s"... Let me also say that The Aspkins site is so far the most informative I have found and as far as I can see without any intentions to cash in on this problem.So thank you for sharing your information with us.. Anyway,a few details in your very informative instruction is unclear to me and I welcome any comments to clearify this.. a) " Do not host your own gallery images"...sorry,I quite dont follow.I think most ex Ebay users was/are private persons and we all keep our images (scannings of items for sale) on our private PC and then upload. So I guess you are talking about sellers who keep their own website and load up from there ( ie..aspkin.com/images) ,correct ? SO uploading again from your own PC after having your new Ebay userID up and running should be ok,right ? I scan the item directly,so there have never been a "view to my living room" if I can call it that. so I guess there should be no need for .." Have either eBay host your images, where you upload your image to eBay or use a 3rd party image hosting website."... b) "eBay will blacklist my domain for GALLERY images,not auction images."...sorry again,I dont quite understand...the way I think about it is that a GALLERY image is a miniature photo of the image you have of your auction,so why should it be a problem ? I mean when uploading an auction you can choose to have a GALLERY image for a small exstra fee and it is the main photo from your auction...Please clarify... cheers NORWAY

02-11-2007, 09:27 PM	#5 (permalink)
billybuns eBay Newbie iTrader: (0) Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 5	Picture hosting and ebay Does anyone know what the deal is with picture hosting if your account has been suspended? Are you still able to host pictures from the same account as long as u cange the picture name or will ebay just get the location and link you? I have photobucket and would like to use that however I have used it before with ebay and my account was suspended. I have been back on ebay for almost 2 months and just started selling last week so i dont want to take any chances here.

02-16-2007, 10:38 AM	#6 (permalink)
Jack eBay Guru iTrader: (0) Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,118	Name your top 3 secure image hosting choices Going back to the well at the same image hosting site might not be the wisest choice for EVERY time you are suspended. At some point, even a moron could put two and two together I'm sure. What 3rd party image and/or auction hosting sites do you recommend? Name your top three to help out everyone. And if you know of any stinkers, a warning would be appreciated. I'll start. I've had pretty good luck with Auctiva, but am looking at maybe webshots and imageshack for backups. I'm not sure of the traffic and security on those, but they do seem to have a lot of advertising point their way. Photobucket may be one of the most widely used, but every time I click on a link that's at least a month old, it's dead. Personally I HATE that for personal use, but it might be helpful in covering tracks. But do they have auction hosting as well? Which hosts have you used, like and dislike?

02-16-2007, 10:56 AM	#7 (permalink)
Modee Super Moderator iTrader: (29) Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United States Posts: 3,350 My Mood:	ImageShack is what I use. I allow my images to be viewed publicly so not sure what you mean by "secure" image hosting. Anyone with the direct link can access your image. Last edited by Modee : 07-19-2008 at 06:43 PM.

03-12-2007, 08:15 PM	#13 (permalink)
temps425 eBay Newbie iTrader: (0) Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 36	EBAY REINSTATEMENT: A little clarification... First of all...I feel like Im working against the CIA! Regarding the gallery images ability to link domains: If I register a new domain with my existing image hosting service, will I be OK as long as the URL's are completely different? Or should I always go through ebay to post gallery images from now on? (I'm pretty sure this is how they got me last time after about 6 months) Also, I use auctiva to list on eBay. Should I cease using the same listing service? Upon resetting my IP, I now show my city to be out of state. I am not using a proxy server and have disabled my anonymizer proggys. Not sure why its doing this. Is it necessary to have my IP city to be the same as the address and credit card address? If I update my address, then add a credit card for sellers account, will I get flagged? I already have a friends buyers account w/ a verified address. Would I be better off changing it, or just leave it alone and add a Credit Card at a different address?? PS: Aspkin, great job on the tutorial. Searched for a day till I ran across this forum. Probably the only truly worthwhile source for this info, free or sold.

02-01-2007, 07:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
aspkin Administrator iTrader: (1) Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,473 My Mood:	A) Yes exactly, users who have their own websites and try to host their GALLERY image from their site will find that eBay can easily track this, and will link and suspend accounts in this way. Simply upload your gallery image to eBay and you'll be okay. B) This is part of A as well, I basically mean here that again do not try to host your only gallery image, eBay can track that. But images within your auctions, say you have a button that says instant delivery… these are okay for you to host from a host of yours, if you choose to do so. Either way you can choose to host your self or have eBay host the images for the DESCRIPTION part of the auction. The main thing is don't host your own gallery image (miniature photo of the image you have of your auction). Everything else is fine. Don't try to over think it, it's simple.

02-03-2007, 08:07 AM	#3 (permalink)
Jack eBay Guru iTrader: (0) Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,118	Not to hijack this thread, but what is likely to happen if your images are on a 3rd party auction hosting site but which supports ebay? Should we assume that too is not a wise move or is that about the same risk as hosting them from your computer like Norway said? And would having those images hosted to another auction or sale site that is an ebay competitor and then taking those same auctions and basically cloning them for ebay land you in the soup pretty quick too? Is it necessary to cover your tracks well and make completely different auctions with new pictures and just a whole new look in order to keep your new account very long?

02-04-2007, 12:11 AM	#4 (permalink)
aspkin Administrator iTrader: (1) Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,473 My Mood:	Jack, it's okay to host your images from 3rd party image hosting sites or major sites; eBay won't blacklist those sites as it's more then likely more then one person uses them. Second it's always a good idea to change your auctions around, including title and description if you are suspended. For sure change your titles. If it's an automated ban, this will help you next time.

02-16-2007, 11:30 AM	#8 (permalink)
Jack eBay Guru iTrader: (0) Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,118	Modee, by secure I just meant that they weren't easily connected to a past suspended account. That there might be that added layer of anonymity by either secure encryption or sheer numbers of users. I was also reminded when I started looking around that there is a difference between photo hosting and auction hosting. Since the idea is to feed the ebay monster as little as possible, it would be nice not to have to pay them extra for additional photos. This is definately possible in Auctiva. I'm not sure if Photobucket or Imageshack have this option, or if there are any other good competition for that service, but it would be nice to know others opinions. Also, if you have been suspended and at the time were using an Auctiva account to auction host, would it be any more or less secure to create a new account in Auctiva than in another totally different image hosting program?

02-16-2007, 11:44 AM	#9 (permalink)
Modee Super Moderator iTrader: (29) Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United States Posts: 3,350 My Mood:	Any pictures (hosted images) that are included in the "Description" part of the EBAY listing are free.

02-16-2007, 12:54 PM	#10 (permalink)
Jack eBay Guru iTrader: (0) Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,118	Hmm. I've never tried it that way before. Are you able to paste the pictures in directly or just hyper links?

02-16-2007, 01:46 PM	#11 (permalink)
aspkin Administrator iTrader: (1) Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,473 My Mood:	As html yes, in the description. <img src="url here">

02-16-2007, 11:49 PM	#12 (permalink)
Modee Super Moderator iTrader: (29) Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United States Posts: 3,350 My Mood:	In my opinion, html EBAY listings are KEY to success. I've opened NEW accounts and sold items for several thousand dollars, on no reserve auctions starting at one dollar, with zero and I do mean zero feedback. These auctions often close even higher than the prices I used to get for the identical items on my account that had hundreds of 100% positive feedback! If the listings look very professional, there is no need to waste time building up cheap feedback. Matter of fact, which looks more suspicious - no feedback or a bunch of irrelevant, cheap feedback? People aren't stupid and know that a bunch of cheap feedback means you are trying to impress, and the usual assumption is fraud.

03-27-2007, 12:22 PM	#14 (permalink)
Jack2007 eBay Newbie iTrader: (0) Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 26	what image hosting you use? please share the image hosting for ebay pictures. thanks I currently use imagebulk but the have low bandwidth.

03-27-2007, 01:19 PM	#15 (permalink)
Modee Super Moderator iTrader: (29) Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United States Posts: 3,350 My Mood:	I use ImageShack. No problems.

04-25-2007, 04:26 AM	#17 (permalink)
Jonas eBay Authority iTrader: (0) Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: United States Posts: 1,264 My Mood:	using the same pictures from old suspended listings? Does anyone know about eBay checking re-using pictures. I don't mean a human doing it manually, but an automated system. Is this real or false? Last edited by Jonas : 05-29-2008 at 08:17 PM.

04-25-2007, 05:13 AM	#18 (permalink)
dia.warner eBay Newbie iTrader: (0) Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 11	Starting Fresh! The whole idea, when starting a new account on ebay, is to give a make over. New pictures (not only that ebay can identify your new account to the suspended one, but there is also the risk of people seeing the photos and "remember" them from your old auctions and therefore report you to ebay, ebay has no second thoughts and they will suspend you right away), new descriptions, new IP, new address, new Paypal email, clear cookies, temp files and history. Nothing from your new account has to "remind" them of the old one. I think it's better to try and wash off all the traces than setting up new accounts every week. All this sneaking up on ebay and "account disguising" is becoming fun and exicting, in a sick way =))) Dia

04-25-2007, 08:57 AM	#19 (permalink)
aspkin Administrator iTrader: (1) Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,473 My Mood:	Jonas I found that eBay checks URLS, and names of images fairly well. Though that doesn't immediately suspend you because of other users use the same images at times. But also I have noticed it seems more like a human eye that views some of my auctions. Only my VeRO could do it. If you're items aren't be VeRO'd then you'll be okay and only have to worry about the automated checks. But certainly change image names if you can, it could save you a headache in the future.