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Hello everyone!





The reason I'm posting this thread is to get a little bit of advice on why my accounts keep getting deleted. I have been stealthing for over 3 years now, and just recently have my accounts been scrutinized by Amazon.

I have never had an issue in the past, so this is puzzling to me..

Here is what I do to create a new account:

Things I gather:
-Prepaid cell phone (Verizon, no credit check)
-New first and last name
-New address (usually in a different city, but within close proximity to my location)
-New birthdate
-New gmail email
-VCC (I create my own online)
-New IP/MAC address (usually the last couple numbers are altered)
-New bank account
-New computer user/cleared cache/cookies just in case.

After all that, I go through the process of creating my Amazon seller account..

After 8 days I list products, but shortly after my accounts are closed by Amazon.. No warning, and just an email saying I'm doing something fraudulent.

What is the problem?

Are you listing the same products? I tested the whole products theory out recently and went in with a 50% ratio of random products to products on a suspended account and got the account linked suspension within 6 hours...I had 7k random products and 7k of my old products.

Are you listing the same items over and over again?

Are you opening accounts in the same state as previous ones?

Are you clearing the flash data?

Is this from BOA? or else?

This is BIG OP...Az looks at patterns and listing in categories

-I have tried listing different products to no avail. Everything from toilet paper to ipads.
-No, it's not BOA, it's a prepaid visa company.

That maybe your problem there but since you don't want to share what you are using and nobody know for sure :d:d

Well I have an account I just sold $100 on, and it's still open, so we'll see..

Wait until the account is open 3 months before making calls like that


Your VCC choice may be blacklisted

How long have you used this company

Did these deletions start out of nowhere?


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Why not spend less than $5 on the Vanilla card to try out something that know work for all others. Could be like GB said, your VCC provider is blacklist, maybe

It may, but others have used it as well with success.

I have used this company for over 2 years now.

The deletions started after I created 8 new accounts, all about 40 miles from the city I'm living in.

Bots are detecting patterns and are zapping your efforts.

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how are you listing the 7k products ? amazon listing template? my suggestion to you is pass your first month listing 30 items get some ratings like 5 then on your second month add 200 items then 3rd month go strong .

7,000 products is a lot to list, volume wise. I think I see the problem. You mentioned that you are selling 7,000 products and adding another "random" 7,000 products. Amazon is seeing some similarities here:

• 8 accounts from the same area
• 8 accounts using the same VCC credit card issuer
• 8 accounts using the same ISP, but with different IP's
• All of them listing more than 7,000 products
• 50% (or more) of the items match what is on the other accounts

The odds of 8 different sellers from the same area having accounts that share these similarities are very small. So, they know the accounts are stealth.

Unless, of course, I am misunderstanding your previous posts???

The OP wasn't listing 7k products, that was me just sharing how I believe I recently got a suspension. Those patterns certainly seem like they would trigger some suspicions.

I'm definitely thinking it's "bots" who are deleting my accounts. I know for a fact a human being isn't taking the time to shut me down..

My mistake. But here are still enough similarities to link the accounts. Especially if there was any inventory overlap. Since the OP was operating successfully for 3 years, my guess would be that something caused a human being at Amazon to look at the accounts and they saw the similarities.

-8 accounts from different areas around my state.
-Yes, the VCC's are from the same company, but why would that affect the accounts? That would be like linking two amazon accounts because two people use the same bank.

-Yes, the IP's are coming from the same ISP, but again, how would that affect the account? Considering there are tons of people using TW Cable..

-I didn't list 7,000 products.. I only list 4-6.

-On each new account I tried listing new items.. different from the last.

Well here's why I think it's a bot instead of a human being.

I was logged in to an Amazon account one day, was checking a few things, then decided to "log out" and check another account.. Well, after I logged out I realized I needed to do one last thing, and when I tried to log in 30 seconds later, BAM! Deleted!

If the accounts are all within the same area, even if not the same city, that could be enough to get the accounts flagged. If the accounts were far enough away, then the IP's should reflect those areas.

Any ONE of these things is not enough to link the accounts, but taken together, they could. The thing is, we will never know for sure exactly what did it. But I recommend making future accounts as different as possible.

Well I have a few accounts scheduled for withdrawal next week, so I'll keep this thread updated.

Imagine a giant octopus.....

Its head is amazon.

Its arms are your (stealth) accounts.

The head dislikes parts of the arms. It removes them.

End of accounts.

:brushteeth:

What was the time frame of the account creation?

Did you spread their making over several days?

What is the numerical sequence with your self-generated VCCs?
Is there a gap between the creation of cards for each account.

What is the range of your IP like?

In other words, can you look at a printout of what you have made and say without doubt, 8 different people made these accounts?

If you can not say that, your creation pattern is linking you.

These are the fiddly tricks of stealth. Never look like an suspended you.
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The accounts were created over a couple day basis, that may have been what triggered the blocking of accounts.

The IP keeps being routed to one location.. regardless of the MAC address change.. So I started making accounts that have addresses within my city.

These current accounts were made using a new method, so hopefully everything is back on track :D

Creation method is linking you.

I am so sorry.



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Another bad link if trying to pretend to be 'new' but stealth.

100% of 8 accounts with the same ISP is going to flag accounts.

Can you consider tethering or a dongle.

Too many things almost the same.

:pout:

Holding my breath on this - the big issue is that as GB has indicated, the heavy link will lead to bad issues...keep us posted

this is my concern and is why I kept asking about your IP address

"New IP/MAC address (usually the last couple numbers are altered)"

If you mean the only the last THREE numbers are altered then that is how amazon are linking you and I would put my house on it. The last three numbers are in most cases unique to each computer or network, but they are normally on the SAME network.

If you are creating accounts all in the same area and the IP address is the same but for the last 3 numbers, you are pretty much telling amazon you are the same person.

I dont know how you have got away with this for so long or if something has changed with your internet provider but you really need to have a completely unique IP.

With more established accounts I dont think this would be enough to get you suspended, but on a new account it is a death sentence

Some people came here seek for advices don't want to listen, instead of try to prove that they are doing the right thing but Ama zon is wrong when kick them out.

Since you are having big problems OP, drop that 7k listing deal down to lower amounts - time has come to vary and experiment. You cant go at this hard without changing the pattern.

rsot,

the OP didn't list 7K listing. It from another person

Would they not see the ISP with a dongle ?

Good feedback guys, thanks a lot.

I have recently installed a land line phone in my house, so I'm considering using dial-up internet for my new accounts.

What do you guys think?

If berrycruan is right then that seems like a logical solution. You could go with 4g dongle as well, I really don't see too much of a benefit going dial up over dongle unless going for mass account creation. Still, it will most likely fix the problem I think. Good luck!

You're right Tony - that was nebuspp - sorry - thanks

Make the quantum leap to thinking stealth

A variety of options must be used to appear different

It is that simple

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I would disagree this would cause someone to get linked but might aid in Amazons math to link an account. There is no rhyme to how networks can hand out IPs. I have gotten the same ip besides the last 3 octets and have also gotten a completely whole different set of numbers at home. And setting up clients with static addresses I have seen companys hand out matching sets or totally different sets of numbers even though they are on the same network.

I updated my CC this week on Amazon and there was a notice that prepaid cards are not allowed. That could be a flag. They can very well route that back to the same issuer, seeing some of the same items listed, being in the same location(IP location). This is what is linking you I would say.

I will put money on if you formatted the PC, choose a different cc option, did not list any of the same items, and even using the same ISP you would be golden.

We are not going to run book on your premise.

OP's description of account creation is not viable for amazon.

Do you misunderstand the meaning of stealth?

:peace:

I use this option - with unlimited long distance access....

At the same time (almost) you asked this question, this thread started.

http://www.aspkin.com/forums/amazon/...p-problem.html

Read it as it has info you may not know.

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