accounts getting deleted

[BigCJ]

Originally Posted by barrycruan

can you provide the proof. Word of mouth and opinion is not proof.

I have a new Amazon Stealth account that I made a few months ago.
They charged 4 dollars as a 'test' then credited the funds back.

Read around the forum and you will find many others who have the same type of 'proof'

Please stop going around spreading bad info without reading the forum first.
Just because its never happened to you does not mean that it is not true or has never happened.

OP, its BEST to keep funds on the VCC because amazon is known to do random test charges.

Please read around before you follow barrycruan's advice.

[barrycruan]

Really, I mean really?
It is funny that you suggest I should read around, if you had just read the thread you would have seen what I actually wrote.

Originally Posted by barrycruan

Yes amazon do do this. There is no "proof" as it is a test charge so you will never see anything on a statement. But it is common practice and I am sure amazon themselves would confirm. If the account was maybe a year old and the card had no funds on it then Id presume that amazon would not delete the account but when it is a new account no funds on the card is a big problem.

[MICKY H]

Originally Posted by barrycruan

can you provide the proof. Word of mouth and opinion is not proof.

In my experience when a credit card is declined the account reverts back to a normal seller account from a pro seller and a big flag appears appears at log in to update your credit card details.

[barrycruan]

Originally Posted by MICKY H

In my experience when a credit card is declined the account reverts back to a normal seller account from a pro seller and a big flag appears appears at log in to update your credit card details.

I completely agree and I did say amazon makes a test charge.

Having funds on your card is one of the very first things you should learn.

Not aimed at you Micky but knowing it is not the same as having proof.

[mufc365]

This was meant to be advice on what is generally the best solution that is getting my accounts deleted.

When barrycurran said "can you provide the proof. Word of mouth and opinion is not proof". He did not mean to offend he was merely stating that sometimes people on these forums have no concrete evidence and just say things for the sake of it.

[BigCJ]

Not getting worked up. Just a matter of bad or ill fitting advice getting slung around here as of late.

The fingerprint is an important factor. Weather or not you choose to follow it is naturally up to you. But for one person to say its NOT important when others have had success...well, you get the idea.

And obviously, Amazon is NOT ebay.

The reason why is that there are many members who ask the same question about setting up accounts, someone posts something that may have worked for them, or in the past. Then they come back with the exact same question in a panic when they are hundreds or thousands in the hole for a deleted or suspended account, and they did not follow that ONE step.

Can things change? Sure can and they do everyday, but the fingerprint 'issue' has been going around for some time here on the forum.
Before I even thought about changing the fingerprint of my browsing, I had a SLEW of accounts deleted and tried a LOT of methods prior.

[barrycruan]

This was not about fingerprinting. You said I was advising people that amazon dont take a test charge, in the very thread I said they are.




If you would like to discuss why amazon do not employ browser finger printing there are plenty of threads to do this. I have never told anyone to ignore it as you suggest.

I simply say that I ignore it, please note the distinction.

[mufc365]

Come on guys lets try and be civil to one another. I think no one meant to offend anyone. I think it was merely a misunderstanding on both of your behalves.

Anyway thanks for the help and advice.

[BigCJ]

You are right mufc

Sorry about the mud slinging on your thread.

I hope you find the information that you are looking for.

[mufc365]

@ cjmixers no worries, thanks.

[barrycruan]

Originally Posted by mufc365

Come on guys lets try and be civil to one another. I think no one meant to offend anyone. I think it was merely a misunderstanding on both of your behalves.

Anyway thanks for the help and advice.

I appreciate the effort but people who make accusations which could easily be resolved with a tiny bit of intelligence need to be told.

Its not a misunderstanding (at least not mine), to not bother reading the whole thread before making a ridiculous statement. People who do, really need to learn this basic step.

[n8zzz]

Originally Posted by barrycruan

can you provide the proof. Word of mouth and opinion is not proof.

@barrycruan, I understand your points on the matter and you could very well be right. But the way in which people get deleted... well if browser fingerprinting wasn't one of Amazon's linking techniques, then let's just say they may have something much more advanced going on that could be more worrisome than just browser fingerprinting.

In the cases where a stealth account is opened, new IP (terrible linking method anyway), new LLC, EIN, phone number, new city, CC, etc. is all done correctly, but still gets suspended due to linking -if it's not browser fingerprinting- then what unknown do I need to worry about now?

[barrycruan]

@n8zzz
Its funny you should say that as there are. This is a direct copy from someone who knows a lot more than me about the subject.. its a bit technical (and long) but it is certainly worth looking at although it is written more for privacy than stea;th.


Amazon utilizes several tracking methods.
* Third-Parties (including devices with Amazon Cloud, music apps, ebook readers, etc.)
* Session Cookies
* Ever-Cookies/DOM (Most important)
* Referrer Tracking
* Click-Handling

I don't think they are tracking browser fingerprints, or if they do it doesn't really affect the site. But it doesn't hurt to use FireGloves just the same.

To stop what oralfloss was saying, you will need to have DOM AND session cookies disabled. This can be achieved with Cookie-Controller addon for aBrowser. Set it to "Force "off" state at start" and "[Off] DOM Storage". Then try browsing Amazon and you'll find their history doesn't work.

Additionally they make heavy use of click-handlers. These are urls which track you when they can't get you from anything else. Luckily we have another addon for that known as "Clean Links". However by default it won't help you. You'll need to make some adjustments that I just wipped up tonight to make it work properly.

1) Under the Clean Link Addon Preferences "Remove From Links" Field where it says (?:ref|aff)\w*, add these unique identifiers (|place|pr|pf_rd_m|pf_rd_s|pf_rd_t|pf_rd_p|pf_rd_i |ld|pf_rd_r).

When your done it should like like this:
(?:ref|aff|place|pr|pf_rd_m|pf_rd_s|pf_rd_t|pf_rd_ p|pf_rd_i|ld|pf_rd_r)\w*|utm_\w+|(?:merchant|progr amme|media)ID
(You can copy+paste the above into the Remove From Links field if in doubt)
*Note: I cannot guarentee all those extra rules won't break other sites, but as of right now it seems OK for me and works nicely on Amazon.com

2) Uncheck Event Delegation Mode

3) Check Use Redirect Watcher

4) Wipe Out Skip Domains, the guy probably got paid off by Google,FaceBook, Linkedin, et all. which are in that whitelist.

5) Highlight Cleaned Links.

6) Go to Amazon (get your sunglasses ready for all those yellow cleaned links!)

Lastly, they track purchase habbits. So as soon as you login and buy they're going to have that data and give you targeted suggestions. Some of which are configurable your account settings but keep getting reset on each login. So have fun with continually setting those privacy settings. Oh and they completely ignore Mozilla's Do-Not-Track Header.

[mufc365]

No offence barry mate you need to take a chill pill.

The arguement ended there

[barrycruan]

No offence but the advice given on these forums can make or break a persons business/ change someones life.

I dont take giving that advice lightly and I certainly dont appreciate people who quote me on account losing advice which I have never said. This is not some kind of joke forum, peoples livelihoods are at stake when you give out advice. So Im sure people will understand why this annoyed me and why Im not going to leave it as my misunderstanding. As I said, it wasnt.

Im also not sure why you are still going on about it as I did leave it?

[SaiJin]

Ok, all of you enough! Stop arguing, let it go and stick to the thread topic.

[mufc365]

True barrycurran.

Back to the point. So your advice is to sell items from the get go but slowly.

Use a 3v gift card instead.

If i make these changes to what i was not previously doing. Do you think their is a good chance the account will not be deleted??

thanks

[GreenBean]

You are forgetting this is still amazon.

From now accounts are going to be deleted as the holidays approach.

You have to ensure you create accounts that will pass.

[barrycruan]

As greenie has said, its a bad time to start up an account as the holidays are upon us and amazon in the past have got a lot tougher in this period.

However I have recenlty set up 2 new accounts, something I have not done for a while now and both are going strong.

It depends on your goals but I would set up accounts now with the view of them being strong in the new year. Its annoying to miss the christmas rush but you can still sell a decent amount at christmas (if you set the accounts up now) and then have an account for years to come. It is a much better proposition than having a suspended seller account over christmas with your funds being held for 90 days and starting the new year from scratch.

For the first month aim for around 10-£20 per day turnover and do everything you can to get positive feedback. Try and get at least 20 positive ratings or a minimum of 10% feedback for all orders.

Stay under the raydar until you have some strong feedback, that means no high risk categories and only listing one or two items.

If your account is to last it is more than likely going to get a review at some point, just make sure you are happy with your metrics when the review arrives and wait it out.


Im not stating it as fact but it is what I have always done and so far it has never failed to get me an account that eventually gets featured merchant status.

[mufc365]

Ok heads up for the advice,

[MICKY H]

Originally Posted by mufc365

This was meant to be advice on what is generally the best solution that is getting my accounts deleted.

When barrycurran said "can you provide the proof. Word of mouth and opinion is not proof". He did not mean to offend he was merely stating that sometimes people on these forums have no concrete evidence and just say things for the sake of it.

Nobody has proof of anything, just experience..

[TonyAlmeida]

Originally Posted by mufc365

The main problem i am having is my Amazon accounts keep getting deleted, no review just pure deletion.

What happens is once i make the accounts after a good few weeks near disbursement dates i cannot log in.

I sell a few items (not high risk) and then i cannot log in. This is a big, big issue for me.

Can anyone shed any light on this matter please?? Thank you

If it is near your disbursement date it maybe the VCC that you used have no balance. I know that you said the VCC good for 1 year but

- Do you have the control of the VCC? That mean you can log-in the VCC account to check for balance or transaction history
- Do you know how much the VCC balance available?

I remember Amazon did let you know this upfront that I will do a test charge (just authorize) a transaction up to $4.