Does Amazon call utility companies?

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[Riverdale]

Originally Posted by prodigyace

I can't speak for other utilities, but electric does a soft inquiry, and no check when you need to move. If the name changes then yeah they do an inquiry but its a soft inquiry. If there's no history they can find (or crappy credit score), then they require a deposit.

Long story short, there's no ding to your credit score, and its really no issue to remove and re-add your name, or change account holder.

Im not trying to bash any of your ideas.But what your saying is not Ideal to most amazon stealthers.Ding or no ding to your credit,lets completely forget about that because its off subject from the point.In order to change a USA utility bill into the name of another account owner ,you must have their SSN in general just so they can ID you.Most utilitys here work like that.Im not sure about the people you know but most people in the USA are protective about their SSN and sharing them.And theres only so many times your utility companies will allow you to swap names out in a certain time period, especially if your bouncing back and forth between the same few people to the same address.

Plus keep in mind most people using this forum are not from the usa,and don't actually have utilities here.Editing documents are the only options for most of them.Alot of foreign people use this site because they don't have access to certain documents only provided if your a usa citizen.Most are getting their documents from images they find online or people claiming to sell Documents like second eye which they don't know are super outdated,thats why they never pass.So when your coming up with solutions for stealth you got to keep them in mind too.

[prodigyace]

Originally Posted by Riverdale

Im not trying to bash any of your ideas.But what your saying is not Ideal to most amazon stealthers.Ding or no ding to your credit,lets completely forget about that because its off subject from the point.In order to change a USA utility bill into the name of another account owner ,you must have their SSN in general just so they can ID you.Most utilitys here work like that.Im not sure about the people you know but most people in the USA are protective about their SSN and sharing them.And theres only so many times your utility companies will allow you to swap names out in a certain time period, especially if your bouncing back and forth between the same few people to the same address.

Plus keep in mind most people using this forum are not from the usa,and don't actually have utilities here.Editing documents are the only options for most of them.Alot of foreign people use this site because they don't have access to certain documents only provided if your a usa citizen.Most are getting their documents from images they find online or people claiming to sell Documents like second eye which they don't know are super outdated,thats why they never pass.So when your coming up with solutions for stealth you got to keep them in mind too.

You're missing my point...I'm saying all of this in reply to the OP's message, then you (or someone else) said amazon Is going to verify the documents. How can they verify when account numbers change on the fly, and utility companies don't do a hard inquiry, and cancel/renew accounts all the time, constantly changing account numbers? Also, they won't divulge in ANY account info without you verifying certain info only close friends and family members would know.

In essence, its best to go with electric utility documents in the USA. This is coupled with my recommendation to purchase a USA Amazon Stealth account on the forums

[Riverdale]

Originally Posted by prodigyace

You're missing my point...I'm saying all of this in reply to the OP's message, then you (or someone else) said amazon Is going to verify the documents. How can they verify when account numbers change on the fly, and utility companies don't do a hard inquiry, and cancel/renew accounts all the time, constantly changing account numbers? Also, they won't divulge in ANY account info without you verifying certain info only close friends and family members would know.

In essence, its best to go with electric utility documents in the USA. This is coupled with my recommendation to purchase a USA Amazon Stealth account on the forums

The Op is not from the usa,so as stated he most likely doesn't have a utility company here.
Theres only 1 account seller for amazon on this forum and they can barely create them,because that person is too not from the usa even though he has a false flag.Plus not many people are trying to pay close to 1k or 1k+ as some reported for a new amazon account thatll likely have issues with IP complaints.I think telling people go buy an account from someone is a cop out response,when the whole purpose of this forum and the book it sells is teaching everyone solutions to do it themselves.The marketplace is a last resort.

Im going to say again ,not all utility companies work like that.I know I can not call Nationalgrid every week I want to make a new account with amazon and swap a name.Its just not Ideal for the way stealthers operate.They are going to look at that as strange activity.Not all people have electric bills as well,nor does everybody know other people thatll allow this.

And another thing,national grid has a online payment system that displays the residential service address by only enter a account number and name.No security questions required!
https://paynow8.speedpay.com/NationalGrid/index.ASP
Comcast automated phone system gives out the residential address after you type in the account number into the phone dial pad alone without any additional security questions.
Youll find if you search hard enough a lot of utility companies have some loopholes.You keep bringing up the fact about what reps are allowed to do,we have mentioned multiple times that amazon is NOT speaking to the customer service reps.

Amazon has offices, warehouses ,and stores spread all across the world. They likely have a utility bill from most major utility companies to compare too. Odds are they know loopholes that give out more info then you think. Most internet and cable companies have live chat directly on their website. Its ridiculously easy to get the live chat people to confirm account info if you have someone's utility in front of you.Plus amazon only needs to know if the info you gave them matches the utility bill info or not.Its the same way they verify your tax info provided matches whats on the IRS database,the irs sends them a simple no and that's all amazon needs to know.The Irs doesn't give amazon details either.Its called process of elimination.

[agent006140]

may be sites like AMZN and Ebay and FB have their own little data bases on us,they could search their own database first using robot before a human is involved.

[Riverdale]

Originally Posted by agent006140

may be sites like AMZN and Ebay and FB have their own little data bases on us,they could search their own database first using robot before a human is involved.

Most people know amazon uses bots before humans to police the site.Humans are the final say.In certain account related issues a bot can suspend your account. Despite everything that I've stated so far about the utility ,amazon accounts are not impossible to make. The whole thing with the utility I only think they may do depending on the rep.But its most likely not as often. Were talking about a company who maybe attempting to use facial recognition as apart of their sign up process, why are we still surprised about what amazon is trying to get away with.

I think most cases people fail verifications because there documents are not as up snuff as they believe, or they are sending amazon in documents that are not accepted any longer.Amazon is good at noticing patterns us stealthers use and add it to their aligorithms,so what may of worked a month ago may not work now. I have a unfair advantage because I have access to a ton of real up to date documents that I can mix up combinations and throw amazon off.Dont message me because I will not sell any.But at the very least I can tell people is that stealth on amazon isn't dead,its going to be harder if you don't live in the usa.Youll have to figure out ways to use information and documents from the country you live in to create accounts.

[prodigyace]

My point is the electric bill won't be Scrutinized like you guys think if its a USA accoint. That's my take from working for an actual electric company.

I will now bow out.

[Nothistime4433]

Originally Posted by prodigyace

My point is the electric bill won't be Scrutinized like you guys think if its a USA accoint. That's my take from working for an actual electric company.

I will now bow out.

Your point wasnt 100 percent disagreed with.We got what you were saying,I dont know why you felt the need to keep re explaining.Yes your solution may work with your 1 very specific company you worked for,whenever you use to work for it.That was already agreed too.

On the other side of the fence your solution is more of a band aid on a bullet wound.Were trying to do surgery to fix the issues so everyone can succeed,not just patch it.

The most helpful thing you could do which you havent seemed to do as of yet is tell us which utility company this was you worked for.Maybe itll help people who actually use them

[prodigyace]

My apologies, i didn't feel like reading the walls of text after I made my point, and it seemed like things were going off the point I was trying to make, so i re-clarified and ended it there. If you read through some of the initial posts, youll see why I Reiterated what I said. Disagree or not, I'm speaking from first hand experience in the system, not as an outsider...so disagreeing with my point doesn't really make it false. If you failed verification in the USA, and the bill is as updated and legit as it gets, you failed because of something else. Something went wrong that caused the denial/suspension.

From what I know, it should be generally the same for ALL USA based electric companies, but I used to work for FPL.

Hopefully someone can help the OP in his specific situation.

[Alright174]

Thanks to everybody who has participated in this discussion.

Although heated, it lead to more insights for me.

I never said or stated, that something IS like that, I was speculating and wanted a discussion, that is all.

I did not want to stir a fight and also did not want it to get personal.

In my opinion we are here for a common goal.

This will be my last post in this thread.

Happy Xmas everybody and enjoy the time with your loved ones.