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Canadianleaf 08-30-2024 10:21 AM

account deactivated
 
Trying to verify an account just created.

First suspension quotes: "section three of the Amazon Services Business Solutions Agreement"

Then it asks for me to confirm a valid credit card on file and provide a utility bill (which I provide).

Each time I provide the utility bill and confirm theirs a valid card they decline it and send the same message asking me to confirm I have a valid card and to upload a utility bill. Done this about 8 times so far over several days, changed the name and filetype of the bills and uploaded 2 different kinds, still no luck.

Any suggestions? Or is something else triggering this loop and maybe they have no intention of reactivating and are just wasting my time and its just stuck in a loop?

rsot 08-30-2024 10:53 AM

Re: account deactivated
 
What's your source of IP for the accounts?

SaiJin 08-30-2024 11:06 AM

Re: account deactivated
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Canadianleaf (Post 1246343)
Trying to verify an account just created.

First suspension quotes: "section three of the Amazon Services Business Solutions Agreement"

Then it asks for me to confirm a valid credit card on file and provide a utility bill (which I provide).

Each time I provide the utility bill and confirm theirs a valid card they decline it and send the same message asking me to confirm I have a valid card and to upload a utility bill. Done this about 8 times so far over several days, changed the name and filetype of the bills and uploaded 2 different kinds, still no luck.

Any suggestions? Or is something else triggering this loop and maybe they have no intention of reactivating and are just wasting my time and its just stuck in a loop?

Try waiting a day before trying again and then call customer service.
If you force try it too many times, some times they actually soft limit you .

quantum 08-30-2024 03:20 PM

Re: account deactivated
 
Is this a fully stealth account? If so, I think the account is toast. Freshly made stealth accounts are getting nailed with those deactivations. I've lost 7 fully stealth accounts this year with the same deactivations. Lots of money and time down the drain. It doesn't take much to hire a bunch of cheap labor overseas to scrub your data with public databases.

I have a few partnered accounts with friends that have lasted over a year now.

quantum 08-30-2024 03:24 PM

Re: account deactivated
 
in addition... there's not much info you can get out of an account health support rep, but if you are persistent and ask the right questions, you can draw your own conclusions as to why they deactivated you.

Canadianleaf 08-30-2024 03:45 PM

Re: account deactivated
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by quantum (Post 1246366)
Is this a fully stealth account? If so, I think the account is toast. Freshly made stealth accounts are getting nailed with those deactivations. I've lost 7 fully stealth accounts this year with the same deactivations. Lots of money and time down the drain. It doesn't take much to hire a bunch of cheap labor overseas to scrub your data with public databases.

I have a few partnered accounts with friends that have lasted over a year now.

Yeah its a stealth account, the information on it is valid though, working card, phone, address and received the mailer pin etc.

quantum 08-30-2024 03:52 PM

Re: account deactivated
 
What about tax ID?

Canadianleaf 08-30-2024 04:47 PM

Re: account deactivated
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by quantum (Post 1246369)
What about tax ID?

Account is set as non US citizen so there is no tax ID / SSN if thats what you are referring to.

agent006140 08-30-2024 04:52 PM

Re: account deactivated
 
Is the utility bill in your name?

Canadianleaf 08-30-2024 05:32 PM

Re: account deactivated
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1246371)
Is the utility bill in your name?

Of course it is.

murdered_by_ebay 08-30-2024 06:33 PM

Re: account deactivated
 
if you get your docs rejected multiple times it usually means the decision to close the account has already been made , amazon like playing such games , I suspect they do it for internal statistics to show in their system they processed many doc requests

quantum 08-30-2024 06:57 PM

Re: account deactivated
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay (Post 1246381)
if you get your docs rejected multiple times it usually means the decision to close the account has already been made , amazon like playing such games , I suspect they do it for internal statistics to show in their system they processed many doc requests

Yes 100%... You can call account health support to confirm. It's a permanent deactivation even though there's an appeal option. Newly created stealth accounts no longer work.. If you manage to get pass registration, your account will get section 3 within 6 months down the road, most likely with money held.

Has anyone successfully set up a fully stealth account recently?

rsot 08-31-2024 03:35 AM

Re: account deactivated
 
Canadianleaf, just to clarify, did you make any sellers on the account before this happened?

Mr_Blue_Sky 08-31-2024 05:37 AM

Re: account deactivated
 
Does the credit card address match the business address?

I've had this before where I opened an account using my personal credit card, when it expired I went to update the details (merely a 'valid until' date and CCV) and it was rejected.

No problem I thought, I added the company credit card and that too was rejected. It was opened at my residential address and all statements etc went there. I use a Limited Company accommodation address, never been there, no correspondence ever go there.

Finally added the same business card but changed the address to my business address even though it wasn't linked to it and it went through.

Canadianleaf 08-31-2024 11:39 AM

Re: account deactivated
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Blue_Sky (Post 1246407)
Does the credit card address match the business address?

I've had this before where I opened an account using my personal credit card, when it expired I went to update the details (merely a 'valid until' date and CCV) and it was rejected.

No problem I thought, I added the company credit card and that too was rejected. It was opened at my residential address and all statements etc went there. I use a Limited Company accommodation address, never been there, no correspondence ever go there.

Finally added the same business card but changed the address to my business address even though it wasn't linked to it and it went through.

In the past my personal debit and credit cards would work for the seller charge method without changing the address for the card or seller account but this no longer works.

I changed the billing zip and city on the seller account to match the card and it appears to work. I did not change the seller account business address - JUST the billing zip / city for the charge method.

Canadianleaf 08-31-2024 11:48 AM

Re: account deactivated
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Blue_Sky (Post 1246407)
Does the credit card address match the business address?

I've had this before where I opened an account using my personal credit card, when it expired I went to update the details (merely a 'valid until' date and CCV) and it was rejected.

No problem I thought, I added the company credit card and that too was rejected. It was opened at my residential address and all statements etc went there. I use a Limited Company accommodation address, never been there, no correspondence ever go there.

Finally added the same business card but changed the address to my business address even though it wasn't linked to it and it went through.

So your amazon business address is a Limited Company accommodation address - your cards were registered to your home address.

You tried to use these cards as your seller account charge method, amazon has your Limited Company accommodation as the billing address and they declined - so you logged in to your cards website and changed its billing address to the Limited Company accommodation address and then the charges went through?

Mr_Blue_Sky 08-31-2024 12:00 PM

Re: account deactivated
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Canadianleaf (Post 1246427)
So your amazon business address is a Limited Company accommodation address - your cards were registered to your home address.

You tried to use these cards as your seller account charge method, amazon has your Limited Company accommodation as the billing address and they declined - so you logged in to your cards website and changed its billing address to the Limited Company accommodation address and then the charges went through?

No, I merely changed the address on the Amazon charge method webpage from the cards proper recorded address, my home, to the registered business address on Amazon and it went through. Seems illogical but it clearly got past the Amazon AI bots.

Canadianleaf 08-31-2024 10:04 PM

Re: account deactivated
 
Currently on the ~12th submission of utility bill. I change the name and filetype maybe their bots will spit out a different response instead of "they cant verify" even though it 100% matches the account.

Ill continue this until it approves or they block the account, dont like playing amazons time wasting games.

quantum 09-02-2024 01:16 PM

Re: account deactivated
 
dont waste your time. they've stopped looking at them.

rsot 09-03-2024 10:23 AM

Re: account deactivated
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Canadianleaf (Post 1246450)
Currently on the ~12th submission of utility bill. I change the name and filetype maybe their bots will spit out a different response instead of "they cant verify" even though it 100% matches the account.

Ill continue this until it approves or they block the account, dont like playing amazons time wasting games.

12th submission....they seem to playing around

Canadianleaf 09-03-2024 02:11 PM

Re: account deactivated
 
Im at 20+ now.

I tried testing their behavior to see if someone's actually looking at it, it appears someone is.

I do a submission with no attachment, they request I attach the document.

I attach a funny picture as the utility bill and their response changes from "unable to verify documents" to "We were unable to complete the review because you did not provide the documents required for the appeal."

SaiJin 09-04-2024 11:43 AM

Re: account deactivated
 
Keep at it !!

This is what we all used to do when testing new stuff!!


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