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pimpin624 01-19-2016 10:18 AM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesNorth101 (Post 739457)
:doh:

My point is nearly ALL current accounts show on a credit report

As far as I am aware there are no banks in the UK that offer a current account with a linked debit card that do not show on you credit report.

Banks like MyCashPlus may not show on a report, but they do not have debit cards

If you are aware of a bank that offers a current account with a debit card (not a prepaid card, they are not the same thing) then link away I am sure people would appreciated it

But the point that also needs to be explained is how you explain to the bank that you are using some random address that you have no link to as your registration address.

If people want to get back onto Amazon and use debit cards than its fairly easy to do without putting your credit report at risk or putting yourself in the position of committing bank fraud

Get a business address
Get a business bank account
Get a business debit card linked to business debit card

Job done.

This can be done 5/6 times with different businesses without issue

That is the process we plan on using but we are based in the US. Amazon requires us to provide our passport for tax purposes. How would we go about setting up a new account without having to provide a new passport each time?

Taking The Micky 01-19-2016 10:50 AM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesNorth101 (Post 739457)
:doh:



But the point that also needs to be explained is how you explain to the bank that you are using some random address that you have no link to as your registration address.


James the account is opened at your regular address, then you change the address online. Simple

JamesNorth101 01-19-2016 10:55 AM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
I understand what your suggesting doing...

The change of address still gets reported to the credit agencies by the bank.

Pretty cut and dry really

Jigsaw 01-19-2016 01:53 PM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
As JamesNorth101 says, changing your address for a bank debit card WILL affect your credit report! So don't do it!

There is no need to change address as I just made a new Amazon UK seller account with a bank debit card without needing to change anything.

rfloubo 01-19-2016 06:59 PM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jigsaw (Post 739599)
There is no need to change address as I just made a new Amazon UK seller account with a bank debit card without needing to change anything.

It's this bit that I don't understand. How do you make more than one account with the same address? Or if your address is already flagged for a banned account how can you still use any of your cards?

Taking The Micky 01-19-2016 07:22 PM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesNorth101 (Post 739560)
I understand what your suggesting doing...

The change of address still gets reported to the credit agencies by the bank.

Pretty cut and dry really

James, I get my monthly credit report from moneysavirngexpert.com (Experian report). This will show some bank accounts details that have changed address but will not show the changed address and others are not shown. There is nothing in the report that shows a stealth address. AMEN

Jigsaw 01-19-2016 07:53 PM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rfloubo (Post 739708)
It's this bit that I don't understand. How do you make more than one account with the same address? Or if your address is already flagged for a banned account how can you still use any of your cards?

It meant you do not need to change your address with the bank that provides the debit card and can just use complete stealth information on Amazon Seller UK.

Taking The Micky 01-19-2016 08:14 PM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
The card has to pass an AVS check

Jigsaw 01-19-2016 08:20 PM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taking The Micky (Post 739732)
The card has to pass an AVS check

Amazon UK never does AVS check from my experience, I know amazon.com (USA site) certainly do. I used a bank visa debit card to create an account awhile ago today and it went through fine just like the other bank cards I used in the past.

Taking The Micky 01-19-2016 10:43 PM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
Amazon do AVS checks. Plenty on the forum about this. Especially before each disbursement, if there is a mismatch no cash.

Jigsaw 01-20-2016 06:12 AM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taking The Micky (Post 739762)
Amazon do AVS checks. Plenty on the forum about this. Especially before each disbursement, if there is a mismatch no cash.

The only time amazon UK do AVS is when an account specialist manually checks an account, the only time I seen that happen is if you try and purchase something really expensive and they block the account pending verification where you have to send them documents.

I have several bank debit cards on my amazon accounts with full stealth info working all fine and all been through reviews fine. All disbursements go through fine and had these accounts ranging from a couple of months and a few years.

What amazon country site you using?

rfloubo 01-20-2016 06:14 AM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jigsaw (Post 739735)
Amazon UK never does AVS check from my experience

So you're saying that you entered a different post code and house number into Amazon from the one recorded by the bank and you were able to register and disburse ok?

ETA: Ooops. 2 minutes late. If that is true I've just messed up my credit report in vain. Still, what you say goes against a lot of UK experience around here. Would be nice to see some vindication.

Jigsaw 01-20-2016 07:03 AM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rfloubo (Post 739895)
So you're saying that you entered a different post code and house number into Amazon from the one recorded by the bank and you were able to register and disburse ok?

ETA: Ooops. 2 minutes late. If that is true I've just messed up my credit report in vain. Still, what you say goes against a lot of UK experience around here. Would be nice to see some vindication.

Yes that is correct. Different post code and house number than the one on file with the bank.

Been dealing with Amazon stealth for a few years now.

Taking The Micky 01-20-2016 10:48 AM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jigsaw (Post 739894)
The only time amazon UK do AVS is when an account specialist manually checks an account, the only time I seen that happen is if you try and purchase something really expensive and they block the account pending verification where you have to send them documents.

I have several bank debit cards on my amazon accounts with full stealth info working all fine and all been through reviews fine. All disbursements go through fine and had these accounts ranging from a couple of months and a few years.

What amazon country site you using?

Well you must be the exception on AVS, congratulations.

I sell UK,DE,Fr,Sp,It,Ca,Us,Mex,Jp

JamesNorth101 01-20-2016 10:56 AM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
Amazon in the UK does need to pass the AVS checks Micky is right on this one

If the Amazon registered door number and post code does not match the card registered door number it would (or at least should) always fail

rfloubo 01-20-2016 03:02 PM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
Well, I have no reason to disbelieve Jigsaw and I think it would be more positive to try and find out if it his/her experience is replicable. After all, amazon is not known for procedural egalitarianism.

So Jigsaw, can you give more details about the cards you used, did you do anything different from what you read around here when dealing with your account? Do you use mainstream banks and normal current or savings accounts? Is your address in Islington or Belgravia?

Jigsaw 01-20-2016 04:18 PM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rfloubo (Post 740036)
Well, I have no reason to disbelieve Jigsaw and I think it would be more positive to try and find out if it his/her experience is replicable. After all, amazon is not known for procedural egalitarianism.

So Jigsaw, can you give more details about the cards you used, did you do anything different from what you read around here when dealing with your account? Do you use mainstream banks and normal current or savings accounts? Is your address in Islington or Belgravia?

I use visa debit cards issued with basic accounts from main banks like Natwest, RBS and Santander. And no, my address is in UK and the same UK address registered with the banks.

The amazon stealth account name and address details are completely different to what is registered with the banks.

JamesNorth101 01-20-2016 04:27 PM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
That is very interesting information there Jogsaw

It will be interesting to see if other people find the results

vetus 01-20-2016 04:54 PM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
Yes but lets not forget that not all Amazon UK accounts get charged £1 before a disbursement happens. Which means your account would work fine.

When adding a card upon setup to an Amazon UK account you can add ANY card, it can be registered to any address and it will add fine. The problem becomes IF Amazon decide that to charge your card before disbursement as then that is when it would fail. IF they do not charge the card then you will be fine but the majority do get a £1 charge against them nowadays.

Jigsaw 01-20-2016 05:24 PM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vetus (Post 740082)
Yes but lets not forget that not all Amazon UK accounts get charged £1 before a disbursement happens. Which means your account would work fine.

When adding a card upon setup to an Amazon UK account you can add ANY card, it can be registered to any address and it will add fine. The problem becomes IF Amazon decide that to charge your card before disbursement as then that is when it would fail. IF they do not charge the card then you will be fine but the majority do get a £1 charge against them nowadays.

I know there were times when amazon didnt do a £1 charge before disbursement but all the visa debit cards I used have had the £1 charge and went through ok. I have had £1 deducted on a card that went through last night when I registered a new account, and the last payment I received on another account the other week had a £1 charge before disbursement.

rich6666 01-20-2016 05:26 PM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
I have just added a real debit card as Jogsaw said to an amazon stealth account,

I now have access to the account. I can finally dispatch orders and answer messages.

JamesNorth101 01-20-2016 05:36 PM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
Its not adding the card that is the issue. Its the charge against the card just before dispersements that can cause problems

rich6666 01-20-2016 06:00 PM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesNorth101 (Post 740097)
Its not adding the card that is the issue. Its the charge against the card just before dispersements that can cause problems

I don't understand. Why did a neteller vcc and cashplus card fail? Both accounts was debited £1 but a real debit card has given me my amazon account access?

JamesNorth101 01-20-2016 06:02 PM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
That would be because they can see that they are a prepaid cards (the BIN gives that away)

It will be pretty interesting to see if you do get disbursements. Fingers crossed you do!

rich6666 01-20-2016 06:13 PM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesNorth101 (Post 740106)
That would be because they can see that they are a prepaid cards (the BIN gives that away)

It will be pretty interesting to see if you do get disbursements. Fingers crossed you do!

I will update if or when i get a disbursement.

Just being able to dispatch orders and answer messages was a great relief. Amazon should cancel listings and orders at the same time the cc fails or within a day or two, in my opinion.

Using friends and families names and addresses is a big no,no with regards to ebay, paypal and stealth in general.

what is the pitfalls for using friends and families long card number and address to pass the amazon avs?

JamesNorth101 01-20-2016 06:17 PM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
Friends and family would not ever be able to use Amazon. Given how many people use Amazon these days, or may want to use Amazon at some point means you could run into issues

Best method is outlined here

It keeps everyone happy and means you dont have to fraudulently change addresses with banks or mess around with things that can come back to seriously hurt you in the future.

vetus 01-20-2016 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taking The Micky (Post 739559)
James the account is opened at your regular address, then you change the address online. Simple

Regardless, this is poor advice. Fraud will be your next problem, not whether you can get back on Amazon or not.

Quote:

I don't understand. Why did a neteller vcc and cashplus card fail? Both accounts was debited £1 but a real debit card has given me my amazon account access?
Before the change in issue with VCC's NETELLER worked well for Amazon BUT it would only disburse if you were lucky enough to get an account that didn't charge the £1, as if it did it would fail the AVS.

rich6666 01-20-2016 06:26 PM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesNorth101 (Post 740112)
Friends and family would not ever be able to use Amazon. Given how many people use Amazon these days, or may want to use Amazon at some point means you could run into issues

Best method is outlined here

It keeps everyone happy and means you dont have to fraudulently change addresses with banks or mess around with things that can come back to seriously hurt you in the future.

Thanks for the link James, great advice.

What would you advise I have an active amazon account with a stealth name and address with funds that would not be disbursed with out a cc?

Why would this be?

Say i use a friends cc, house number and postcode for avs (The name would be stealth), and the account gets suspended.
Would amazon ban a postcode, what if the postcode was apart of a apartment block of 20 flats?

vetus 01-20-2016 06:27 PM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
They don't ban postcode alone, no. People do move all the time but someone signing up at the same address in a short space of time after a recent suspension is a big red flag. Look at it as if you were on their side of the table.

JamesNorth101 01-20-2016 06:42 PM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
It would be the post code combined with the door number that would be an issue. They would also not be able to use that card with Amazon

Added to that they could have tax liabilities if you use part of their information potentially.

There is also the issue of what happens if you have a falling out

There are just too many ifs or buts when it comes to getting friends and family involved with things like this

Taking The Micky 01-20-2016 07:52 PM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesNorth101 (Post 739494)
Because you don't use a stealth address you use your new business address...

And that is a one off fee

So these new business addresses, are you using POBox number, virtual address, mail forwarding addresses? Please explain.

vetus 01-20-2016 07:55 PM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
Disagree completely, but lets leave that debate there.

Adding stealth addresses to a banking institution is completely different game to adding a VCC or Gift Card in a random address.

You do know you don't legally have to disclose your real information to private companies...:suspicious:

JamesNorth101 01-20-2016 07:59 PM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
A desk at an actual office will do.

You can the use the build and suit / desk number to register the business.

Pretty common place with sole traders. There are a lot of work desk hubs like this around the country. It would cost around £50 a month usually give or take depending on the location.

Taking The Micky 01-20-2016 08:02 PM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
Actually James, what I do I cut a deal with the Company formations company for use of there registered office facilities. A lot cheaper.

Bunneh 01-20-2016 08:43 PM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taking The Micky (Post 739718)
James, I get my monthly credit report from moneysavirngexpert.com (Experian report). This will show some bank accounts details that have changed address but will not show the changed address and others are not shown. There is nothing in the report that shows a stealth address. AMEN


You are not looking at the bigger picture.

I have heard of people getting bank accounts closed because they received funds into there bank in a different name. The banks fraud department looks deeper and then the account is shut because of the multiple issues.

If they do a search on you and you are not on the electoral roll they can cause flags.

I myself had that flag problem when i first came to the uk and the bank called me to go in with proof of address. (After i had my account 4 months & was before stealth)
If you dont provide it over a certain period they will close your account.

However i can see why you would think you are untouchable.[emoji57]

Taking The Micky 01-20-2016 08:54 PM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
OK Bunneh...you are now saying mismatched names is a problem, yet the forum endorses this.

A bank will only do a credit search on you if you are wanting a loan.

and untouchable from who????

vetus 01-20-2016 08:59 PM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
Banks WILL eventually ask questions as to the address you have on file that is not yours.

Look at it this way.

You add an address which isn't yours, and have no access to. Banks fraud department see that your 'secondary address' is someone elses 'main home address' on their bank account. You both live 300 miles apart.

They would request proof that you either own or have some legal connection to that address, if not it shouldn't be on your account.

As Bunneh says, bank accounts are shut down for mismatched names, some people have had it with banks that are said to be 'OK'.

Micky bottom line it's such a bad idea, it's beyond belief.

Bunneh 01-20-2016 09:05 PM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vetus (Post 740160)
Banks WILL eventually ask questions as to the address you have on file that is not yours.



Look at it this way.



You add an address which isn't yours, and have no access to. Banks fraud department see that your 'secondary address' is someone elses 'main home address' on their bank account. You both live 300 miles apart.



They would request proof that you either own or have some legal connection to that address, if not it shouldn't be on your account.



As Bunneh says, bank accounts are shut down for mismatched names, some people have had it with banks that are said to be 'OK'.



Micky bottom line it's such a bad idea, it's beyond belief.


Yep and banks like RBS , Halifax and LLoyds and getting hot on this now.

vetus 01-20-2016 09:11 PM

Re: Uk vcc?
 
Halifax alone is horrid - I think they could be linking in more with Lloyds or cross referencing their customers.

Taking The Micky 01-20-2016 09:40 PM

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You all have your views, I have mismatched names on several accounts running for several years and never any problems, HSBC, Halifax,Barclays,Santander. When your account is opened the bank has full ID of the account holder, PP copy etc. So what you two are saying vetus and bunneh, thats stealth has gone, you can only use your real name with amazon and real address. WOW 90% of the forum watch out.


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